And

1 hour ago, Oracle said:

Congrats on another win! Time to graduate to strike force size boards. 

Threat wise the outriders are way more dangerous, your opponent should have shredded them prior to attacking the dread imo. Also positioning one of the DS nearer that top unit of warriors so he can use the threat of sentinel construct  and the free overwatch. 
 

Did he bring a technomancer?

2 technomancers. And anrakyr who managed to mind control the box dread but didn’t do too much damage. Unfortunately for him he had needed to be within 12” for that to work, so next turn he got punched to bits by a very cross dread. 
 

Even if they weren’t at all involved in the action to that point?

have you a source for that? Just so I can prove it if it comes up again. We decided I couldn’t and the rule book is unhelpful. 

A question. 
 

If I’m in fight phase, kill my target and can consolidate 3” after, and there’s a unit like 2” away that wasn’t charged or in engagement for this fight, can I consolidate into them? Or am I not allowed?

Ok. So I won 79-28

played the incursion map with 6 objectives and deployed like this :

As he had 5 vehicles and monsters I took bring it down, domination and oaths as secondaries. 
 

necrons went first and took 10 wounds off my redemptor. Few other bits of wounding. I dropped my suppressors onto the middle building and took the top doomstalker down to 1 wound. 1. 1! Ffs. It finally died on turn 4. 
 

The chaplain and his boys did work, taking out spiders and the other doomstalker. chaplain bought the farm turn 3, but I managed to hold enough objectives and score enough secondaries early on to win. 
I paid 2 cp to make box dread a character with a trait and it never used them. Good job. 

I squandered most of my cp on crap stratagems or re-rolls that all failed. Transhuman physiology remains brilliant. Wizard fluffed most of his psyc rolls but at least didn’t peril himself to death. He did manage a good 3 mw on the triarch stalker which was helpful. 
 

I think he needed more bodies to get out and about on objectives. Triarch stalker once again proved almost unkillable, I did almost get it on the last turn but he re-rolled a save to keep it on 2 wounds. At one point in turn 3 I foolishly charged it with my marines, forgetting it has a flamer, lost 2 to that, 2 in combat, my power fist bounced off the invulnerable save and then to add insult to injury my sarge failed his 5+ morale check, I had no CP to reroll so he fled. 
 

so a bit scrappy in parts, made a few errors but think I mainly did ok. Good results as I was not geared up for 6 objectives 

3 hours ago, Oracle said:

Sounds like fun!

 

If I were him I'd drop a Doomstalker for a LHD or two, much less swingy, easier to bring back.

Yeah, he hasn’t gotten any of those yet (as far as I know) and I’m not helping him out with suggestions!

If I were playing scorns I’d be tempted to get some more tomb blades and some heavy destroyers and then run 9 skorpekh destroyers with a lord and go chop crazy

@Oracle

what do you think if this for a 50 power list 

Hands have army wide 6+ fnp

so the chaplain gets a biker shield to give look out sir, and can advance into enemy territory and hopefully take out a threat early on and grab an objective.

the dreads buddy up with librarian, box dread has character status and a 5+ fnp, librarian gives everyone nearby a 5+ invulnerable save and the Redemptor gives the other 2 look out sir. They waddle up the board and when in fight range wizard drops null zone and strips invulnerable saves from enemies. The box can get the captain aura to help the red dread with its plasma gun.
 

suppressors are to put the hurt on turn one in the doctrine, then remove overwatch later, my mate hates these guys so they’re also my distraction carnifex. At a push their mobility should let them get up to some hijinx
 

intercessors and eradicators hang out back field and hold home objective, should be able to nuke anything that gets close and the Gravis boys are tough to shift.

Trying overall to keep a moderate amount of shooting but back to stronger / higher ap weapons vs all the weak, high volume assault stuff I’d been running.

I’m hoping to play Sunday and am expecting to see those spiders again in the elites slot with some skorpekh destroyers, probably both doomstalkers or one swapped for the triarch stalker. I expect after last time he’ll bring in more warriors again, and probably the skorpekh lord, who is frankly a fucking twat who needs killing asap. And the ever present scarab swarms as they’re a brilliant unit for taking objectives and tying up guys in melee. 
 

I’m looking forward to graduating to bigger boards and detachments as ideally I’d like some blade guard in there to go with the dreads and a couple of units of bodies to hang back but can’t fit them in power level or detachment restrictions. 

Yep. Awesome, thanks 

@Kzo

thanks, got a lot of reading ahead of me then!

@Cyhwuhx

that link doesn’t work for me am afraid. Thanks anyway though

I’ve been invited to play a starter campaign. I’ve no idea what I’m doing. What rulebooks should I get to read before I play, so I might have some clue? Nearest I’ve got to d&d is playing water deep. Help me. Thanks 

@Rikku that’s a cool looking model. What is it? 
 

Screw it. Bits and bases ordered. 3 x characters on bikes to build as my new next project then

At this rate gw will bring out new models and put them in the next codex given how popular the bike priest is

Ah can you not run legends in tournaments? Bummer. 
 

I’m still tempted to build them, imagine having 9 bikers backed up by 4 characters. The buff stacking would be immense. Off the top of my head, +1 to charge, +1 to hit in melee, reroll 1’s to hit, remove invulnerable saves from enemy, add 5++ to friendlies, revive a bike per turn and heal 3 wounds twice. 

Quote

The Warhammer 40,000 Legends page contains datasheets and additional wargear options, definitive profiles that will live on their own dedicated page, enabling you to unleash your treasured classics in open, narrative and matched play games, with full points provided to help you balance your games.

from the community website - sounds to me like you can use them whatever. 
I’m currently rummaging through the bit box and seeing if I can find enough stuff to kitbash a librarian, captain and apothecary if I buy a unit of outriders and some smaller bases. I know they’re supposed to be firstborn, but the old bikes are shite. Am short a thunder hammer but can get one on ebay

Well shit news. Rip

Yep. The more I tinker with the bike legends the more I think I’m about to need to buy a few sets to chop up and kitbash some biker characters. 
If I get a box of 3, and bits and make a biker apoc, wizard and then a smash captain with hammer and shield. 

Yeah, I’d want the super tough midgets that can get more cover 

I’m looking at biker apothecary and librarians on eBay as you can run them in the legends data sheets. 
 

So when we graduate to bigger board I want to try white scars with a smash chaplain and 6 outriders, a bike squad with meltas, backed up with a librarian and a chief apothecary to razz around the board on their bikes melting stuff and chopping it up and bringing bikes back from the dead each turn. 

That sounds fun. 
 

My mate is changing it up - so in the past few games he had big warrior blobs with the nasty 5/-2/1 Gauss guns and would try and get those into play to wipe out stuff backed up with a character, then scarabs for grabbing objectives and a doomstalker and a triarch stalker as gun platforms. 

So I responded to big weak units by swapping to crimson fists to make most of bolters vs big units. 
 

So after a couple of matches if that he swapped to a list with 2 very big gun threats in the doomstalkers, and then almost no troops. 2 units of scary elites and a couple of hq’s to maximise bullshit. Pregame move to try and counter mobility. It nearly worked as most of my dudes were high volume low strength shooting. 
 

he just didn’t count on my transport being able to move and unload and so I managed to kill a big threat and cause some havoc turn one to steal points while he had to mop up. but I spent 40% of my force in that move and it killed one tank. My inceptors dropped in and wasted his only troops. 
 

I think if he had gone first I’d have been twatted. He overcommitted most of his force on one side where my dread was but he then had to peel off his scarabs and destroyers to go take out my hellblasters. they worked as a distraction and let me score though. 
 

My biggest problem is finding something that can take down a t6/7 12 wound model with a 4++ save. big plasma dread doesn’t do enough shots, eradicators get saved too often. 
So far having 15 supercharged assault hellblasters shots is the most effective but normally still leaves the target with a few wounds and able to start deleting stuff with its unsaveable d6 shots. A doomstalker will comfortably delete anything stupid enough to be targeted and is well hard to kill. 
 

So I’m thinking iron hands. Make a box dread a character and give it targeting to help a plasma redemptor dread and waddle those 2 up the board with some outriders and a smash chaplain to go fuck shit up turn one. Leave some intercessors and eradicators on my back field. 
 

As we’re still in patrol size detachments and the 44x32 board I can get to 3 objectives on turn one if I go first and start scoring primaries well on t2. 
 

Managed to sneak in a game this afternoon 

In short another win as crimson fists

Incursion mission 2

He played as a custom dynasty and forgot to use one of his rules (-1 toughness to units nearby) which probably helped me. 

He had 2 technomancers and a lord, 

some immortals

6 bases of scarab swarms, 

3 skorpec destroyers 

3 spyders 

2 doomstalkers 

He had a rule that let ALL of his units move 6" before the first turn started so he pushed almost everything forwards. 

So this is bad, I had dropped my eradicators and plasma dread as they did nothing much against big units of warriors or his big threats with invulnerable saves. I was totally geared up for killing warriors with bolters, of which I had lots. 

I went first 

Still, turn 1 I ran the impulsor up the board and dropped the captain and hellblasters out who promptly killed one doomstalker, the inceptors dropped out of the sky and took an objective in his half. all the rest of the shooting was fairly ineffectual, I killed one spider out of the unit of 3 only for it to get reanimated by the technomancer immediately. 

I was able to then charge my transport into the other dosmstalker tying that up. I had also foolishly left my hellbasters in range of a charge from the destroyers. 

So the end of turn 1 looked bad, but amazingly I had positioned in a way that even though I got everything I had in his half of the board killed, I'd managed to score 25 primary points by the. end of turn 3 to his 0 so it was all over really, so we called it. It helped that he charged my Redemptor with his spiders and it shrugged them off then pummelled them to death.

I had some horrible rolls. Captain failed all his saves to die to the destroyers, got reborn then had 6 attacks and rolled 4 ones. Would have smooshed his destroyers and really ended the game on turn 2. 

I fucking hate necrons though, they're such bullshit - I killed 3 skorpekh destroyers, but there were still 2 of the unit of 3 on the table when we stopped. fucking just die.

Think I’ll give wolves or iron hands a go next. 

29 minutes ago, T Pot said:

Mate, calm down eh? You're not getting anyone on side by acting like that.

Like what? It’s true.  Anyway, I’d vote for anyone who would bring them back.
I’ll bow out now as I don’t want to clog the thread. 

Point in case. Jon was a terrible poster and got negged so hard because of it he abandoned his account and started up again on a new one. He’s on my ignore list so I’m not clicking to see what he has to say. But probably waaah, negs bad. 

Negs are brilliant and the only people that complain vocally about them are those terrible posters that used to get negged to oblivion for being dickheads. Bring them back!

Just get one the same size then and  glue it on and then you’ll have a flat edge at the bottom to work with.