The Random WoW Thread

[sprite]

There's other guilds out there!

[Mr Ben]

True, but being kicked by any guild is a black mark that a lot of guilds generally steer well clear of.

[Rayn]

True, but being kicked by any guild is a black mark that a lot of guilds generally steer well clear of.

I know you and I know what happened. If you need backup when talking to a recruiting officer or whatever I'll be happy to put in a good word for you. If you fail to be accepted by a guild raiding Naxx/AQ40 and just start to miss green guildchat I'm happy to let you join us for the social aspect. We don't do eithr Naxx or AQ40 but we're just about to start on BWL.

[sith]

Guildless why? Not asif your reputation has exactly been ruined.

Khaz has a reputation??

[therealjohnpeat]

What you have to ask yourself is "what do I want to do with Khaz?"

IIRC you're exalted in all BGs and with 7/9 Tier 3 there's not much else left to do!!

What I'd be doing, therefore, is working out who I was gonna play in the Expansion with - and that's obviously more about playing a char you're gonna enjoy with people you like etc. etc.

If you REALLY like Paladin, starting raiding with your existing Pally and roll forward from there. You can always level a Horde Pally in your 'off hours' surely?

[sir stiff_one]

Let's face it, Benn sure has a lot of off hours.

[Mr Ben]

Well I've already been doing a bit of MC on Saturdays, and got a few bits of tier 1 (as well as tier 2 shoulders). I've also been offered a place as a raiding member of Adept, as apparently everyone in the guild wants me to raid with them

Thing is its not that long to go to the patch, and then the expansion, so I dont know if this would be a good idea or not, not just for me but for Adept, as I'd need to be adequately geared to be able to raid

[Hackign]

Thing is its not that long to go to the patch, and then the expansion, so I dont know if this would be a good idea or not, not just for me but for Adept, as I'd need to be adequately geared to be able to raid

Pft. We took one of our warlocks who rerolled Warrior into naxx with greens and blues and cleared all the bosses we done before. Same with a horde -> pally guy we have.

[therealjohnpeat]

When TBC hits people will be able to get gear which is comparable to T2 within a week or two of solo/5 man play (is my guess based on what I've read).

What I expect to see is that some of the well-geared people will stick together and do the 5 man stuff on 'Hard' to get the better items faster - wheras the less geared people may have to do those instances on lower settings first to learn the place/get interim gear perhaps...

End of the day, if you have a place with Adept and can make enough friends to have someone to run into TBC with - I don't see what the problem is.

You can still start a BElf Pally if you MUST - it will take eons to get to 60 anyway and you'll have an idea of what you need from where when you get to the Outlands - "fingers in all pies" so-to-speak...

Whatever - have fun Ben, I know what I've posted here is mostly 'pro-Chim' - which I felt was necessary the way people were reacting to your getting kicked - but it was a sad day for everyone involved and I only hope that everyone learns from it...

TO THE PORTAL!

[Mr.Jeff]

Apparently you can't go straight into the "hard" mode of the instances straight off. You need to (*groan*) get a certain ammount of reputation with new factions to do that. Revered as I remember.

Now isn't that fun?

I'm still looking forward to the new stuff just more than a little concerned about what the guild will do when it arrives.

[Mr Ben]

Apparently you can't go straight into the "hard" mode of the instances straight off. You need to (*groan*) get a certain ammount of reputation with new factions to do that. Revered as I remember.

Now isn't that fun?

I'm still looking forward to the new stuff just more than a little concerned about what the guild will do when it arrives.

Hmm, depends on how much rep you get for whatever it is that gives rep. Hopefully more rep will be given for quests than they do now.

I'm guessing that the big guilds will either:

A ) Break up, and start to do instances with friends from other guilds etc, mainly as the core lot (those who raided more, put more time in, better gear, etc) will stick to each other like glue, thus making the ones that didnt (due to various reasons) feel left out.

or

B ) Recruit more, to even it all up and have enough members to do multiple raids with different groups etc.

Remember this is for the big guilds. Smaller guilds, that are more tight knit, will probably be fine as they are for obvious reasons.

In other words, for the likes of big raiding guilds that have recruited heavily, and have a billion members, the phrase "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING!!11" may be apt

Edit: Forgot to add but I have spoken to an officer in game (on Monday), and I've been told why I've been kicked now.

[Nicky]

was in outland last night, picked up a quest, looked at the rewards, spotted one was a wand, a green wand which will replace my Dragons Touch from BWL. really makes it all seem worth it....

[Hardwired]

Edit: Forgot to add but I have spoken to an officer in game (on Monday), and I've been told why I've been kicked now.

Woo.

Did they explain why, after so many months of dedicated raiding, they waited until you were offline before they kicked you? That's some cold-hearted shit right there.

[sprite]

Again, this thread was replied to at 5am and evidently the kick decision was made then.

Mr Ben has his answers, is that not enough for you people? Stop making drama, Ben's moved onto other topics

Call it cold-hearted shit if you will, but in my experience, /gkicking a member with 50+ people online (and in some cases, in the middle of a raid) leads to drama and intense lack of focus if in a raid. Instead of having a million people go "WTF?" this has been dealt with swiftly, and dealing with only those involved.

(Well, + a whole forum who feel the need to sling mud at a guild, ofc)

[therealjohnpeat]

The BIG guilds - the ones which have kept an active base to support constant 40 man raiding - will probably fragment over-time, but I don't think the 'sky is falling' as such.

Once TBC is live, people will just form up 5 man groups as-and-when they need one with anyone they know. This will, of course, group people who are at similar levels and who play at similar times into 'guilds within guilds' or new guilds or whatever - over-time.

I don't see guilds expanding - remember, lots of people who don't raid now will return to being active players so many 40 man guild will have 2x25 EASILY...

[sprite]

2x25 is a mess though. Even with Zul'Gurub if you spread it over two days it's "Which raid were you in? Which ID do you have? Where is X?"...

But from the sounds of it these 25 man instances are HUGE... no chance of doing it in a night?

So let's say I can make a raid Monday, Tuesday, but not Wednesday.

I'll be saved to that instance, and other people will be in another raid saved to that one.

Unless there's an unsaved person over the previous two days, there's no option to replace me.

It's going to get very messy :'(

And then there's the A-Team/B-Team aspect..

[Spudulis]

2x25 is a mess though. Even with Zul'Gurub if you spread it over two days it's "Which raid were you in? Which ID do you have? Where is X?"...

But from the sounds of it these 25 man instances are HUGE... no chance of doing it in a night?

So let's say I can make a raid Monday, Tuesday, but not Wednesday.

I'll be saved to that instance, and other people will be in another raid saved to that one.

Unless there's an unsaved person over the previous two days, there's no option to replace me.

It's going to get very messy :'(

And then there's the A-Team/B-Team aspect..

Doing a 25 man raid and a 10 man is doable though. Karazan sounds pretty awesome and is only 10 man. Thats 35 peeps needed and easy enough to replace someoen from the 25 with someone from the 10 if need be

[cowfields]

Yeah - 25 and 10 makes more sense.

Thing is it'll be a gradual change, whatever that change ends up being. It's going to be a while before everyone is ready to actually do the whole "turn up at 20:00 have some DKP" thing of raiding again because it'll take a while for people to actually get to level 70 first and at different rates and to set that up as a system.

The other big difference is - at the moment, if I can't raid, other than PVP (which I'm shit at) there's not much for me to do. Whereas for a while at level 70 all the new 5 mans as well as any 10 man or 25 man stuff that's there will still be actually interesting unlike Strat or whatever that you've run through a billion times already.

The only problem I guess is that people will want to get the guild-firsts in the 25 mans despite how enjoyable a 5 man might be, but I'm sure it'll be okay after a while.

[Hardwired]

Call it cold-hearted shit if you will, but in my experience, /gkicking a member with 50+ people online (and in some cases, in the middle of a raid) leads to drama and intense lack of focus if in a raid. Instead of having a million people go "WTF?" this has been dealt with swiftly, and dealing with only those involved.

Pretty harsh for the one that got kicked though, no? To come online and find you're no longer in the guild you spend months of your life with, without any explanation whatsoever.

And sorry if I brought the old subject back up. I've only just read the last few pages and caught up with things.

I've been GM of my guild for over a year, and only had to kick a few people in that time. It was always done with them online though, so they knew exactly what was going on and had a chance to say their goodbyes in /g. In most cases they /gquit after being asked as well, so you don't get the nasty "...has been kicked out of the guild by..." message which causes all of the fuss you mentioned.

[sprite]

You'd still get fuss for a /gquit though. It's a tricky one, with pros and cons both sides. Yes, I'd hate to be the person who suddenly had no guild one morning, but Ben did get reasoning, if a little late, and I'm sure he could've perhaps guessed at those reasons etc especially in conjunction with this forum until a mutually beneficial time came about to discuss things. But at the same time, having been raiding with a guild for so long, and knowing how things work, the lightbulb of common sense would suggest to me that, yeah, maybe doing it in the dead of night is a good thing.

But then again, I am the girl who attempted to /gquit into the shadows at 2am but got caught by the GM who saw me making a suspiciously titled post on the forum at the same time - it wasn't to be cowardly, but because as someone who was heavily involved in the organisation of the guild, I knew I'd end up with lots of whispers, maybe disrupt a raid, and not properly get to explain myself in /Guild chat. Allowing myself the time to make an essay of a post meant I could think it through and structure it how I wanted. Perhaps this works both ways. Though I don't know how Ben was told.

Short answer: IMO, there is never one best way of doing stuff like this.

[sith]

I dont think us lot will struggle for groups in TBC, we all are well experianced and have lots of freinds on the server.

I cant wait to party with some of my old AOP guildies again

[sir stiff_one]

Again, this thread was replied to at 5am and evidently the kick decision was made then.

Mr Ben has his answers, is that not enough for you people? Stop making drama, Ben's moved onto other topics

Call it cold-hearted shit if you will, but in my experience, /gkicking a member with 50+ people online (and in some cases, in the middle of a raid) leads to drama and intense lack of focus if in a raid. Instead of having a million people go "WTF?" this has been dealt with swiftly, and dealing with only those involved.

(Well, + a whole forum who feel the need to sling mud at a guild, ofc)

Oh shut up. You're not even a real Rllmuker. You're one of the biggest drama/panic causers on here. Everyone else justs gets along - even me!

[sprite]

You're right, no one cares what I have to say 'coz I don't have 5000+ posts right

[bcofn]

I think it was more your blind defence of the guild. If they didn't want the situation talked about they didn't have to gkick him publicly on a forum that has no relation to the guild.

I agree that there's no clear way to go about it, but if they were going to kick him when offline they could have had the decency at least to send an in-game mail at the same time.

[sprite]

I don't consider it 'blind' defence of 'the' guild - I consider it defence of MY guild. You don't see Chimaera members going off on one about how Passion or whoever treat their members when they have issues. Ok so maybe they aren't brought to this forum so much, but you don't see us throwing around words like pathetic, 'cold-hearted shit'. But then, I've never been one to throw around insults when I don't know the full story

The thing is, it's been dealt with now, whichever which way. The plague of forums is that there's a reply every few minutes, when in the real world, sometimes it's a few hours before a person gets back to their PC to do something. Me, I just troll forums at work.

But what do I know, I'm not a real rllmuker, 'coz I just troll the WoW forum and am not part of the clique (but for the record, a long time lurker -Joined: 29-November 05)

[bcofn]

I also don't see officers of other guilds creating accounts on an unrelated forum for the sole purpose of kicking a playing from their guild. If they want to share with us only part of the story then it's their own fault.

[sprite]

Unique situation I suppose, Mr Ben has spoken a lot about Chimaera here... I'm sure the officers were a bit hurt by it all, for it to have come to this.

It's rare that people act in the best possible way when angry/upset.

[Space Renegade Ulala]

I suppose I may as well come out and say it - Kay, this Official Minister of Propaganda routine you've been running since you joined is a wee bit kinda offputting, you're sounding like a frickin' pod person. If people want to keep talking about this, that is their right and their perogative and it's not your place to tell them otherwise.

If mofos want to talk, they'll talk. That was always the joy of the place before all this nonsense happened and every jerk and his sister showed up acting like the fucking Thought Police. It's the water cooler, a place for the everyone to get together and have a gossip and let off steam.

Gossipers - get gossiping. Storytellers - start telling. Beta players - start pissing me off some more. Mages - start running.

[sir stiff_one]

I heard that sprite likes to get naked and ride slowly through Orgrimmar at night.

Ulala, I will be there getting your magic slippers DO NOT WORRY.

[cowfields]

I heard that sprite likes to get naked and ride slowly through Orgrimmar at night.

That's actually me. I'd be naked more often if only I had the bagspace.

So I hear you're going for Dorothy and chums. if you need a healer count me in.