The Random WoW Thread

[Mr Ben]

I believe everyone who posts and reads this section of the forum has the right to know what happened, so here we go. Drama lolz, etc, etc.

I only found out I had been kicked from Ish's post on this forum after I'd been on the ptr checking out the BG queues, system, etc. I then logged in on live and wasnt in a guild. Thats the way I found out. I then had to wait till Monday afternoon to ask an officer as to why I was kicked.

I was then told it was because of this forum, and that I was taking tier 3 when I was considering re-rolling post expansion, when people were apparently complaining that I shouldnt. I never got asked to not take loot because of re-rolling though. Strange I thought, especially considering Sheepdog himself, whom I'd asked should I even be considering taking any loot, told me he thought it was fine and that no officer had a problem with it. I pointed this out of course, but its all too late now.

Maybe Ish has other things to add to this, such as additional reasons why I was kicked that the other officers do not know about, I do not know, as I've not spoken to him specifically.

[Space Renegade Ulala]

Ulala, I will be there getting your magic slippers DO NOT WORRY.

So I hear you're going for Dorothy and chums. if you need a healer count me in.

I am the living incarnation of Elphaba and that brat is going to get exactly what she has coming. And her little dog too.

I need some meatshields now. Step up, my non-flying monkeys, step up.

[Mr Ben]

I am the living incarnation of Elphaba and that brat is going to get exactly what she has coming. And her little dog too.

I need some meatshields now. Step up, my non-flying monkeys, step up.

I hear Paladins can tank

Though I may be a little late for the party. Like maybe 30 or more levels late

[Nimmel]

Maybe Ish has other things to add to this...

Sounds to me that he kicked you during a pissed up hissy fit at 5am after taking some of your moans in this thread a bit to seriously, and now they are fishing about for other reasons as to why it happened. The loot thing sounds like bullshit to me, if you had the DKP or whatever then surely you're entitled to roll on what you like whether you had plans to re-roll or not.

[cowfields]

Step up, my non-flying monkeys, step up.

I'm not a monkey but I will be able to fly. I will swoop down from upon high banging my newly made leather funk-drums.

[Bojangle]

was in outland last night, picked up a quest, looked at the rewards, spotted one was a wand, a green wand which will replace my Dragons Touch from BWL. really makes it all seem worth it....

Crazy, isn't it?

One of the very first quests, and not even remotely challenging. Level 70 rewards are going to be 'teh mental'.

Wish my Warrior was 60 so I could transfer her over mind, or they'd open up the premade char transfers.

[Mr.Jeff]

I almost wish I was a hordie so I could join Chanti on the rampage through Kharazan. I mean, a lot of people have been talking about but Chanti's description just adds that new sounds of shamless fun it deserves.

Alas, I'll just content myself by getting the shoes on alliance side.

[kitten]

Mages - start running.

*puts all her talent points into Blazing Speed*

[sprite]

Myeh, I've always taken things too personally, and yes I found it upsetting to see something I really like being dragged through the mud. Fair enough, water cooler, etc etc, gossip blah blah, but seriously if this were a water cooler and a few people were chatting and someone was a bit miffed about some of the stuff that was said about something they genuinely care about (there, I said it), you expect them not to say anything?

*looks at how many stuffs/somethings/other vague words are in the above*

[Mr Ben]

Myeh, I've always taken things too personally, and yes I found it upsetting to see something I really like being dragged through the mud. Fair enough, water cooler, etc etc, gossip blah blah, but seriously if this were a water cooler and a few people were chatting and someone was a bit miffed about some of the stuff that was said about something they genuinely care about (there, I said it), you expect them not to say anything?

*looks at how many stuffs/somethings/other vague words are in the above*

You didnt expect anything to be said at all after it was posted on here that I was being kicked?

[sprite]

I didn't say that, did I?

[sith]

Kay

Have you once stopped and thought how Khaz feels? he was in Chimera from the struggle of BWL and the early parts of AQ and Naxx. He played a huge part in this thing you loved to get where it is. He then gets kicked in the worst way possible and you try to defend that?

I love Chim to but im not blind enough to see that particular decision was very fucking wrong.

gouki

[sprite]

I defended the lack of answer in the beginning, when people were here posting whilst the officers were mostly still asleep/raiding.

The decision to kick in the middle of the night, well, I never really defended that. I said there's pros and cons to both ways of doing it, and that you can never really win whichever way.

I remember a guild member in Swiped, for example, getting kicked in the middle of Nefarian attempts. Or one /gquitting in similar circumstances. I can't remember if I was leading the raid or not, but either way, it was pretty 'disturbing', for want of a better word.

[sith]

Kicking someone before Kel Thuzad is better than at 5 in the morning!

Especially with Khaz's raid attendance etc...

[Mr Ben]

Getting kicked whenever is bad enough. But to be kicked when offline, and to be told there were "other reasons" besides what was on this forum, and to be then told that it was for the stuff on this forum anyway seems pretty fucked up to be honest. Why say there were other things as well, when it blatantly isnt the case?

Meh, whatever.

[Space Renegade Ulala]

I can't lie, the 5am cloak & dagger act cracks me up. All that's missing are dead journalists and thallium sushi.

Nevermind, Khaz, you got screwed over, shit happens. My advice? Get Guitar Hero II, unlock Less Talk More Rokk and BASK IN THE SYNTHPOP GLORY. All your troubles will melt away.

[sir stiff_one]

Fucking YES.

It Rokks

[therealjohnpeat]

Khaz - I don't believe the issue of taking loot was brought up as a BIG part of your reason for being kicked tbh (if at all) - it's not mentioned in Ish's post on our forums for example.

I DO believe Ish (and other Chims) have read this place and see some comments as 'betraying a trust' perhaps (reflecting my comments to people in the past that some things were out of context/inappropriate on here).

For example: I don't believe Khaz has discussed the whole 'rerolling Pally' thing openly on our forums - just in chat and on TS I think?

This means it could have come as a surprise to some people I suppose - I'm just guessing tho - but it would be a BIG surprise dontcha think?

End of the day there's something I'd like everyone who's comdemning the way Khaz was kicked to consider something.

He did something(s) which drove our GM to kick him from the Guild - apparently at 5AM - something he's done only once before EVAR.

Who's fault is that exactly?

Who CAUSED this minor spat of dramatic outpourings?

Do you REALLY thing it was over nothing and totally unjustified?

If you do you're missing a lot of what's been said here IMO - or just stirring up drameh where it actually doesn't exist.

Khaz evidently did something(s) (and we'll never know exactly what) which conviced Ish that he was no longer 'playing for the team' - that's the top and bottom and MIDDLE of it - it's upto Khaz to reflect on that, there's not a lot anyone else can take from it really (apart from the need to keep some things off here and on your guild's own forums perhaps!!)...

Move on...

p.s. To defend Key's ultra-positive view of Chimaera - Kay joined us when we were recruiting for our push into Naxxramas - from a guild who we'd taken in a number of members from and who we are seen in some quarters as having 'ripped the heart out of'.

I'm sure she feels that she's seen as 'at least partly at fault' for the problems that guild encountered - but regardless she's put her max. effort into Chim and become an integral part of the raids by all accounts.

I admire that personally - it was a risky move to make - so I can understand her rush to defend her position and the people's she's raiding with now who've welcomed her and allowed her to play the game as she wishes too.

I've tried to explain the 'Chimaera thing' here many times - but it's not possible to do it in words I guess - I just can't get it across.

People seem to WANT to see this as an 'act of an evil guild' - they want to comdemn our success as being bought 'on a trail of burned out players' - but that's all horseshit spiced with various degress of envy and ignorance IMO.

[Mr Ben]

I dont know where to begin with this post....

On my re-rolling a Paladin, all I'll say is were the whole of Chimaera that ignorant that they didnt read my multiple posts and threads on *its own forum*, and in guild chat, Team Speak, and on DraenorEU?!? A surprise?!?

Oh, I'm not saying what I posted on this forum wasnt out of place, but thats all I've been told is what I've done wrong!! Other than the seemingly "tagged on" part about me taking loot when I was going to re-roll, which I might add is also total codswollop, as my Shaman isnt going to mysteriously vanish without a trace is it? No, far from it in fact.

I'm not defending myself anymore, because I do not have to now. I've been kicked. But the fact this was spead over this thread when it *could have* and *should have* been kept private is the reason people are having their say on the matter!

Also, if Ish has posted anything on the guild forum, its a lotta good to me, as I cant read what I cant get access to, so whatever he's posted is a complete mystery to me. But anyway, I dont care about the reasons now, whats done is done.

[therealjohnpeat]

You didn't read what I said Ben.

I suggested that SOME people may not be aware of your desire to reroll - I said I wasn't sure if you'd discussed it on our forums or not (as I've read so much about it I've NO idea if it was here or there tbh).

It was just a thought I had - that some people might not have realised it was your intention and if that was the case, I can imagine they'd be surprised ESPECIALLY finding out here and not 'there' so to speak...

That's ALL I suggested.

As for Ish's post on our forums - it's in response to people who asked WTF was going on - it contains nothing which hasn't been said here already really - it says NOTHING about rerolling, loot or anything else like that.

As for the kicking happening on here - I guess you can assume that it happened here because the 'straw that broke the camels back' came from what you've said here - but that's just my assumption.

I'm sure Ish didn't search this place out just to give us all some drama tho - so I think it's a fair assumption...

I'll be honest here - I half expected to find myself 'without green chat' when I read his post - and I'm fairly sure Pinkmoon/Gramme logged into WoW with some trepidation - there's a lesson here, for everyone really.

[sir stiff_one]

Yeah, that life's too short to worry about shit like this.

[Mr Ben]

Agreed. I play this game for the social aspect and to have some fun while doing so. Its a shame that one of my characters has had the social aspect almost stripped from it, but then its not the end of the world.

[Space Renegade Ulala]

I'll be honest here - I half expected to find myself 'without green chat' when I read his post - and I'm fairly sure Pinkmoon/Gramme logged into WoW with some trepidation - there's a lesson here, for everyone really.

Hmmm? What on Earth have either of you ever said in here apart from "I need a break" and "I don't need a Netherwind robe so I shouldn't have one forced on me"? That's about as critical as you guys ever got and hardly anything to worry over.

As for evil, you can't deny it! David Icke warned us all about you, you damn pesky Chitauri* bastards. How many babies have you eaten this morning already, John? I bet you're in double figures already.

*Absolute proof: take away then add a couple of letters from 'chimaera' and you get 'chitauri', fact fans. The truth is out there.

[kitten]

I treat much of what's said on here as stuff you'd say to your mates down the pub... We all play WoW, we know each other, so we chat. It'd be unrealistic NOT to mention guild stuff, if the majority of stuff you do is with your guild. Yeah, maybe sometimes there have been comments that look a bit out of place after the surrounding events have been forgotten... I guess that's the thing, text can't be forgotten the way that speech can, and someone going 'back in time' and seeing it might be a bit surprised to say the least.

Still, as a person whose previous two/three guild leaders all post here, I think they've had fair opportunity to warn me if I was posting /gkick-able nonsense (as opposed to normal nonsense, which I have much of).

[sir stiff_one]

This is like an angry husband defending his right to beat his wife and some of the husband's family or mates logging on and trying to convince us that he's really a nice bloke and we should talk about things and discuss stuff we know nothing about. Meanwhile, everyone else is sympathetic to both sides. Quite frankly, it's incredibly patronizing. I have a huge amount of respect for Pinkmoon/Gramme for simply not getting involved. JP and Sprite are just muddying the waters in some ultra weird attempt to justify something.

Move on.

[Mr.Jeff]

Nevermind, can't be bothered.

[therealjohnpeat]

Stiff is probably right - I started by trying to balance the "that was a mean thing to do to Ben" thing with some "hey - he did something which made this happen y'know" comments.

It wasn't a lightning-bolt from the sky - tho I'm fairly sure he's convinced himself that's EXACTLY what it was by now - hey ho, nothing changes

So - Paladins then - they suck right?

[sprite]

That analogy sucks I only objected to the insults being thrown at the guild I am *a part of*, which is where the analogy falls down.. husband beating his wife is just one man.

[therealjohnpeat]

MASSIVELY delayed double-post for some bizarre reason...

[kitten]

So - Paladins then - they suck right?

You're thinking of night elves. Try Goldshire.