The Spurs Thread

[Stoppy2000]

This is a Conte out performance for me. The football is dire. Absolutely rock bottom stuff. 

[englishbob]

Do you really think another change in manager makes a difference to this club though? I said club - rather than team or squad or whatever - I still think the reason is at a club level - the players are good enough - they just give up or can't be arsed.

 

I'm Spurs until the end - but I'll maintain my stance - it's a club where great players go to end their careers on some sort of cushy number

[Jammy]

He’ll be gone after the January transfer window if he doesn’t get his way.

[Stoppy2000]

6 minutes ago, Jammy said:

He’ll be gone after the January transfer window if he doesn’t get his way.

He ain't getting his way. He's been moaning about project players. He doesn't want to fart about for 2-3 seasons on the off chance Djed Spence becomes top class. 

I just want some vaguely attractive football. Even when we've been winning it's been flukey. 

At least Emerson got booed coming on to the pitch. Hopefully he fucks off soon.

 

[Stoppy2000]

2 hours ago, englishbob said:

Do you really think another change in manager makes a difference to this club though? I said club - rather than team or squad or whatever - I still think the reason is at a club level - the players are good enough - they just give up or can't be arsed.

 

I'm Spurs until the end - but I'll maintain my stance - it's a club where great players go to end their careers on some sort of cushy number

The problem is we are now buying young players who are still using it as a retirement home. I can't believe how many injuries we have. It just seems like some of them can't be arsed. Conte doesn't help by basically calling them all shit after every game. Even if that is true. 

Also it's worth noting just how shit Son has been this season. If he was a new player he would no longer be getting picked. 

[Shimmyhill]

The problem we have is we set up to counter attack with a defence that’s not solid and without a couple of key players (and Son not firing) we don’t do the counter attack bit well. 
 

Today Villa set up well, defended with 11 players but more importantly did it well enough to soak up the ‘pressure’ and then expose us on the break. Our first 11 beats Villa and teams of their quality but missing a couple of attacking players and we struggle, mistakes at the back always seem to get punished and round and round we go.

 

 

[Stoppy2000]

Setting up to play counter attacking football at home vs Villa is bloody stupid. We should be aiming to control the game. Lloris is a priority to replace. He's now become a massive liability and that's in a team of liabilities. 

[englishbob]

Lloris played alright in the World Cup I thought - I don't think he is the issue here

[Shimmyhill]

13 hours ago, Stoppy2000 said:

Setting up to play counter attacking football at home vs Villa is bloody stupid. We should be aiming to control the game. Lloris is a priority to replace. He's now become a massive liability and that's in a team of liabilities. 

As a club the only way to change that is with a new manager - it’s how Conte plays and I’m not sure we can argue we are right and he is wrong with our recent records compared.

 

I still think Conte can get a tune from the first team and we saw that at the end of last season - we need more depth in the squad, some pace being a priority IMO

[SaintAnselm]

Well at least Liverpool are somehow even worse than we are this season.

[Stoppy2000]

21 hours ago, englishbob said:

Lloris played alright in the World Cup I thought - I don't think he is the issue here

He's the keeper with the most errors leading to goals in the last year (in the premier league). It would be ok if he was chucking in the odd one when we are cruising but he only seems to do it at the most crucial times. He's not very comfortable with the passing from the back tactics either. 

[Stoppy2000]

59 minutes ago, SaintAnselm said:

Well at least Liverpool are somehow even worse than we are this season.

I'd still be amazed if they don't finish above us. 

[Gotters]

1 hour ago, Stoppy2000 said:

He's the keeper with the most errors leading to goals in the last year (in the premier league). It would be ok if he was chucking in the odd one when we are cruising but he only seems to do it at the most crucial times. He's not very comfortable with the passing from the back tactics either. 

 

but you need to look at keepers in total and see how many shots he saves other wouldn't - errors is just one measure.

 

the stats guys will look at xGOT faced against goals conceded (this is a measure of shot quality on target, not just xG itself which is not as relevant looking at a keeper) - not looked for a while but overall Lloris still was quite decent and kept more out than he would be expected to, but the ricks are more commonplace now and he does look on the decline.

[Stoppy2000]

11 minutes ago, Gotters said:

 

but you need to look at keepers in total and see how many shots he saves other wouldn't - errors is just one measure.

 

the stats guys will look at xGOT faced against goals conceded (this is a measure of shot quality on target, not just xG itself which is not as irrelevant looking at a keeper) - not looked for a while but overall Lloris still was quite decent and kept more out than he would be expected to, but the ricks are more commonplace now and he does look on the decline.

Yeah I haven't done any in depth analysis. I might be being unfair to him but it just seems like he is making mistakes at an alarming rate. I'm just down on the whole team at the moment. I'd like to see us convincingly win a game! 

[cultofweaver]

3 hours ago, Stoppy2000 said:

He's the keeper with the most errors leading to goals in the last year (in the premier league). It would be ok if he was chucking in the odd one when we are cruising but he only seems to do it at the most crucial times. He's not very comfortable with the passing from the back tactics either. 

 

I would posit that a lot of Lloris' errors stem from the fact that he has error prone defenders who are being told to defend at the edge of the box for 90 minutes, so any shot the other team get has a chance to bounce in off something.

 

Lloris must be living a very stressful existence at the moment.

[Jammy]

Lloris’ problem stems from being peppered with longer range shots constantly because Conte’s system is built around ceding possession in certain areas and defending deep, allowing teams to shoot from range because they’re much less likely to score. Of course, he probably didn’t expect goals to be flying in off Dier’s arse, or Lloris to be spilling those long rangers into the path of attackers. We don’t have the players to play his system well enough. The club either have to bend to his will and get those players, or they have to find a more tactically flexible coach who can come up with a system that suits the players we do have. Ironically we’re short of two or three players who would make the difference in at least three formations, but the problem is that those two or three players we need change depending on what system we play.
 

The other issue we have is that the Hitchen purchases are largely still at the club and no-one wants to buy them.

[Stoppy2000]

Dear god - look at the state of the spurs bench tonight. It might be the worst I can ever recall. 

[redbloodcell]

Well what a Jekyll & Hyde performance that was! 

[Shimmyhill]

2 hours ago, Stoppy2000 said:

Dear god - look at the state of the spurs bench tonight. It might be the worst I can ever recall. 

 

Can you tell me the lottery numbers you pick, need to avoid them  

[Stoppy2000]

31 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

Can you tell me the lottery numbers you pick, need to avoid them  

I'm glad we finally looked semi-decent! Sarr looks a better player than Skipp at the moment. Also Gil is at least a player who you can see trying all the time. The first half was pretty poor though. Doherty looked good - I really want Royal to be sold and we can use Spence as the backup. 

Hopefully Son goes on a run now as he was woeful in the first half again. 

[SaintAnselm]

Even if we did sell Royal, I can’t see Conte giving Spence a chance, I mean we were 4–0 up last night and this would have been a perfect time for Spence to get 20 mins or so, but no, Conte brings on Royal instead, who then looked just as shit as he always does.

[Shimmyhill]

2 hours ago, SaintAnselm said:

Even if we did sell Royal, I can’t see Conte giving Spence a chance, I mean we were 4–0 up last night and this would have been a perfect time for Spence to get 20 mins or so, but no, Conte brings on Royal instead, who then looked just as shit as he always does.

 

Isnt that more Conte giving Royal a chance and telling the bosses ‘ive tried, he’s shite’

[redbloodcell]

3 hours ago, SaintAnselm said:

Even if we did sell Royal, I can’t see Conte giving Spence a chance, I mean we were 4–0 up last night and this would have been a perfect time for Spence to get 20 mins or so, but no, Conte brings on Royal instead, who then looked just as shit as he always does.

 

Could be that Spence has a loan deal close, as the noise is that he's going to be going on one. Just hope it's either to a PL team or somewhere abroad as I don't see any point him going back to the Championship. 

[Stoppy2000]

If Spence doesn't get more than 5 minutes vs Portsmouth then we'll have to presume he is never going to be a spurs player. Be interesting to see what team we do put out...

[SaintAnselm]

Spence should not be going out on loan, he’s 23 this year and has over 100 first team games under his belt, it’s not like he’s some raw 18 year old with no experience.

 

Conte has clearly never wanted him and buying him was a complete waste of time, especially for the player himself.

[Jammy]

He needs to be given the same chance Royal has, if only to prove he’s not the answer. Hopefully he’ll play well and Conte will change his mind.

 

Agree that from his cameos Sarr currently looks better than ‘future Spurs captain’ Skipp at the moment. I know Skipp gets plaudits from all the managers he plays for, but I still haven’t seen anything in his game since he came back from the Championship that makes him look better than what we have already, and he doesn’t appear to have any pace. I’d like to see a Sarr/Bentancur pairing given a go when Rod is fit.

 

Hoping Gil gets a run now - he made the difference when he came on against Sporting at home, and his energy and workrate is refreshing when you see some of the others jogging around not looking like they give a shit.

[Stoppy2000]

Yeah still think Gil needs time to get used to the fact you don't get free kicks for every bit of physical contact anymore. He definitely looks like he gives a shit though and his assist for Kane was something I wouldn't expect many of our players to pull off. 

[SaintAnselm]

Gill surely needs to play more just for the fact he knows how to pass the ball forward.

[Stoppy2000]

Skipp being an absolute waste of a player again. 

[Stoppy2000]

Just now, Stoppy2000 said:

Skipp being an absolute waste of a player again. 

He'll probably score now.