The Spurs Thread

[Stoppy2000]

Sessegnon is awful. 

[Smoothy]

*sigh*

[Stoppy2000]

I did enjoy partey blatantly handballing it and somehow just getting a warning. Refs not wanting to book anyone too early. 

[Jammy]

Lloris bringing out the chocolate wrists for an important game is so unlike him.

 

Conte has to take some blame here - why the fuck would you put two in the middle when you know Arsenal play with three ?

[meatbin]

Conte is either arroganly stubborn or clueless, that's why.

[Jammy]

The board have to make a decision - either they back Conte with proper investment because he said it would take 5 transfer windows, or the gamble on someone coming in and getting a tune out of this lot.

 

Arsenal fans have been very critical of Kroenke, but he’s stuck with Arteta, and given him a decent transfer budget, and is now reaping the rewards. We either stick with Conte or we waste another two years starting another fucking rebuild which they won’t take seriously budget-wise.

[Stoppy2000]

Just now, Jammy said:

The board have to make a decision - either they back Conte with proper investment because he said it would take 5 transfer windows, or the gamble on someone coming in and getting a tune out of this lot.

 

Arsenal fans have been very critical of Kroenke, but he’s stuck with Arteta, and given him a decent transfer budget, and is now reaping the rewards. We either stick with Conte or we waste another two years starting another fucking rebuild which they won’t take seriously budget-wise.

It's the Spurs board so I think we know which way it will go...

[meatbin]

I don't want to watch anymore Conte-ball.

 

Let's just get Poch in asap and start again, at least it will be entertaining.

[Jammy]

29 minutes ago, meatbin said:

I don't want to watch anymore Conte-ball.

 

Let's just get Poch in asap and start again, at least it will be entertaining.

I think *someone* could make a good fist of it with that squad. As I said the other day, i feel like we’re two or three short, whichever of Conte’s formations we play. And they aren’t the same 2 or 3 to cover both.

[Stoppy2000]

On a positive note I think Sarr looks good. Certainly better than Skipp. Oh and Kulusevski was good - hope he can stay fit.

[Jammy]

This is all moot if the team continue to play with the belief that they have to take it in turns with the other team to play, and let the opposition have the first half to themselves.

[Stoppy2000]

I hope Lloris is dropped for the next game. It doesn't seem right that he can just keep making mistakes and not get punished for it. 

Ah well at least it's only a wounded Manchester City we have to worry about! 

[meatbin]

Lose to Arsenal and then beat City is a very Spurs thing to do, helping them to the title.

[Stoppy2000]

29 minutes ago, meatbin said:

Lose to Arsenal and then beat City is a very Spurs thing to do, helping them to the title.

We have got no chance*. The only way I can see us getting a point is if city somehow fail to score even with the 90% possession they'll have.

 

*Hoping this turns out to be an epic double bluff. 

[SimonG]

Apart from Lloris being a prize Pratt and Partey nearly breaking the post, for all the possession Arsenal had, they didn’t do much with it.

 

2nd half we kept them quiet, shame we didn’t do it from the start.

 

Conte has no idea, the players have no idea.  Conte out and let’s start again.

[Stoppy2000]

3 minutes ago, SimonG said:

Apart from Lloris being a prize Pratt and Partey nearly breaking the post, for all the possession Arsenal had, they didn’t do much with it.

 

2nd half we kept them quiet, shame we didn’t do it from the start.

 

Conte has no idea, the players have no idea.  Conte out and let’s start again.

Conte doesn't really want to be at Spurs as we all know. I see little point in allowing him to buy players for his system when we know it will be another man in charge next season.

[SimonG]

And therein lies the problem.  If he leaves between now and the end of the window we won’t have a chance to get someone in and buy a few players for the run in.  We will falter and fall out of the CL positions and then won’t get the better buys in the summer.

 

If he wasn’t going to comment before the window we should have fucked him off, got in a new manager and then strengthened at CB and RB for a chance at the run in.

 

as it stands we are going to be more fucked at the end of the season than we are now.

 

Such a badly managed system. 

[Loik V credern]

Whatever Conte says about it being 'magic thinking' to expect Spurs to have challenged for the title this season I thought as a non Spurs therefore not pessimistic fan that the form towards the end of last season was encouraging. Team's typically start a season as they ended it, Leicester when they escaped relegation then won the league, Newcastle now, there are loads of examples. For Spurs to regress under Conte when they stalled a few weeks of him being there, being depressed then seeming like it's clicking and securing 4th doesn't really make much sense to me. 

 

Son's season is so weird. For a player of his ability, the pace, composure, two footedness to have 4 goals, 3 of which came in 31 minutes, how does that even happen. With provider Kane behind him. More weird when different Brighton midfielders turn into Pele for a few weeks and score loads. 

 

That first game with Kulusevski running it seemed like a hint of things to come. Then he disappears. He returns and it's not the same. 

 

Would Spurs fans sell Kane to fund a rebuild? 

[Hamus]

10 hours ago, SimonG said:

If he wasn’t going to comment before the window we should have fucked him off, got in a new manager and then strengthened at CB and RB for a chance at the run in.

 

To be fair to Kane he wanted to go ages ago.

 

The decline of Son has been a big issue for Spurs and the rest of the team haven't been able to cope.

It is certainly unfortunate, but there hasn't been anything in place to try to cover him as far as I can see?

 

Conte seems like the wrong manager for Spurs too. Experienced and almost old school in his approach, but is this what you need for driving forward and creating a legacy. 

[SimonG]

Sons decline coincides with the introduction of 'Conte-ball'.  Coincidence?  Not for me.  Son does best running onto the ball, not receiving it with his back to goal.  The system is wrong for him (and so many of the others). 

The one shot he had on target at the weekend came from him running onto the through pass from Sess, the other two incidents had him on the edge of the box with the opportunity to shoot and he passes to another player instead.  Confidence shot due to a system that just doesn't work.

Kane needs to be reset as an attacking CM, with Son / Gill, Richi up top.  3 in midfield for every game, maybe even going back to a 442 for some games.  Its not Conte, so we will continue with this shower of shit until he passes.

Conte will only work at ANY club if you give him what he wants.  We were never going to do that, so it was always going to be a stop gap appointment.

[Stoppy2000]

I think the players 100% bought into his methods last season. This season they seem to have lost the faith in him. Also worth noting Conte has had 3 friends pass away in the last year so maybe this has had an impact on him as well. 

I still think it's best for all concerned if he goes. He'll have offers to go somewhere that will give him exactly what he wants. 

We need a rebuild with someone who wants to put 4-5 seasons in. 

 

 

 

[SimonG]

3 friends passing away doesn't stop you from shoring up midfield in the fist half of a game where you are being handed your arse on a plate by your rivals.

It doesn't stop you from removing Sess after 20 mins seeing that he possesses no threat going forward (cant cross for shit) and offers nothing in defence against Sako.  Shit, Davies would have done a better job at LWB ffs!

I was all up for Conte when he arrived.   His inability to change his blinkered tactics has set us back considerably.

He needs to go, if not before then straight after we get steamrollered by Haaland and the others on Thursday.

[meatbin]

3 friends passing away does change his overall wellbeing and mood, and this will have rubbed off on the players and other coaching player (of course a lot of players and staff knew the coach that passed away). 

 

That's part of life and nothing can be done about that, but along with Conte's family still living in Italy - you could question his commitment and energy towards trying to turn this team around, when he's clearly had to deal with some perspective-questioning emotions. 

[Stoppy2000]

2 hours ago, SimonG said:

3 friends passing away doesn't stop you from shoring up midfield in the fist half of a game where you are being handed your arse on a plate by your rivals.

It doesn't stop you from removing Sess after 20 mins seeing that he possesses no threat going forward (cant cross for shit) and offers nothing in defence against Sako.  Shit, Davies would have done a better job at LWB ffs!

I was all up for Conte when he arrived.   His inability to change his blinkered tactics has set us back considerably.

He needs to go, if not before then straight after we get steamrollered by Haaland and the others on Thursday.

Yeah I just think his heart is even less in it now. The board knew what they were getting - a manager who makes demands and doesn't like being denied. He'll be gone at the end of the season so this is now effectively a zombie club until then. Can Poch reanimate the corpse of Tottenham Hotspur? Maybe. I'm not overly convinced though. 

[SimonG]

I’ve got my driving test tomorrow.

 

If I pass, I’ll drive up to the Lane and take Conte to the airport myself.

 

No idea, no passion,  no point. 

[Stoppy2000]

8 minutes ago, SimonG said:

I’ve got my driving test tomorrow.

 

If I pass, I’ll drive up to the Lane and take Conte to the airport myself.

 

No idea, no passion,  no point. 

Can you pick Lloris up as well?

[SimonG]

28 minutes ago, Stoppy2000 said:

Can you pick Lloris up as well?

And Son, Lenglet, Dier, Davies, Sess … might need to make two drops 😂

[Shimmyhill]

On 17/01/2023 at 02:19, Loik V credern said:

Whatever Conte says about it being 'magic thinking' to expect Spurs to have challenged for the title this season I thought as a non Spurs therefore not pessimistic fan that the form towards the end of last season was encouraging. Team's typically start a season as they ended it, Leicester when they escaped relegation then won the league, Newcastle now, there are loads of examples. For Spurs to regress under Conte when they stalled a few weeks of him being there, being depressed then seeming like it's clicking and securing 4th doesn't really make much sense to me. 

 

Son's season is so weird. For a player of his ability, the pace, composure, two footedness to have 4 goals, 3 of which came in 31 minutes, how does that even happen. With provider Kane behind him. More weird when different Brighton midfielders turn into Pele for a few weeks and score loads. 

 

That first game with Kulusevski running it seemed like a hint of things to come. Then he disappears. He returns and it's not the same. 

 

Would Spurs fans sell Kane to fund a rebuild? 

 

As an outsider you may not realise we have had horrible injury issues, today was almost our strongest team and im not sure we have put out the first choice strongest team (on paper) all season - the first half proved how much we have missed Bentecur and Kuli of late. Son has been ravaged by injuries and clearly had a dip in form and his confidence is shot, its a shame and the system hasn’t helped but its not just that.

 

The real issue is we make so many mistakes, all 4 goals tonight are mistakes and 3 of them probably compounded by poor keeping / mistake by Lloris - its really sad as he pulled off a blinder of a save at 0-0 but the mistakes ‘ worldie ratio is very much in the negative

 

I dont know what the answer is, we need a fit squad and some defensive reinforcements - for long periods of the game tonight we played well, mistakes and playing against a frankly incredible team aside and there are some positives to be taken.

 

 

[Stoppy2000]

Spurs needing defensive reinforcements is a bit of an understatement. We need a new centre back and a new lwb and rwb - if we are sticking with this system at least. 

I really hope Lloris and Son are dropped for the next game. Both have been by far the worst players this season. Also we better not keep Lenglet. 

[meatbin]

Lloris will not be dropped.  Son I can see Richie replacing him against Fulham.