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gandhi, check out the list of casinos here (I know you're not planning on doing any but it's the easiest way to show you) and you can see how much each of them require as a deposit. Click on each and it'll tell you the expected profit. You never actually make this amount exactly, but over time the law of averages means you get closer and closer to those figures. You'll win a bit more at some, lose a bit more at others, so it should all settle down. popseen walked away with less than expected at Coral and 32Red, but more at GetMinted.

As far as time wise, it depends on the casino and how long you've been doing it (how well you know the table essentially) but roughly 6/7 hands a minute. So a £500 wager requirement @ £1 a hand should take 80 minutes or so. That's for a £45ish expected proift. Hence the £30/hr claim.

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You never actually make this amount exactly, but over time the law of averages means you get closer and closer to those figures.

Well, obviously the law of averages means that for most people they'll overall, over a fair amount of time, be losing out. But that's another matter.

Okay, £35 in eighty minutes.. but on £1 bets.. with a £500 wager.. I really want to work this out in terms of compound interest, but shag it, can't be arsed, I've pretty much got my answer, thanks!

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Well, obviously the law of averages means that for most people they'll overall, over a fair amount of time, be losing out. But that's another matter.

On the Blackjack yes. It's in the house's favour. But add the bonuses and it's in your favour. Hell, if everything went exactly to mathematical expectations, this would be a guaranteed money maker. It's only because occasionally you do really badly that even the bonus won't cover it. Most of the time though it does, sometimes you even make money on the blackjack. Gotta love statistics.

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Hard Rock (see my sig) gives the player a 98% chance of ending up in profit playing at £1 a hand. £50 bonus, takes about an hour to do.

I was just looking back over this thread and saw this - hard rock isn't listed on blackholebonus anymore, why's that?

I'm looking for more casinos to try. I also see William Hill isn't listed, any particular reason?

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On the Blackjack yes. It's in the house's favour. But add the bonuses and it's in your favour. Hell, if everything went exactly to mathematical expectations, this would be a guaranteed money maker. It's only because occasionally you do really badly that even the bonus won't cover it. Most of the time though it does, sometimes you even make money on the blackjack. Gotta love statistics.

Uhh, what? No, it wouldn't be a guaranteed money maker.. it would be (if nothing was in the house's favour, or whoever you're playing against, if it was equal..) an everyone-breaks-even-overall-maker. Naturally though, anytime the house is involved (ie. not at a private poker party in your garage), most people should be losing.

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With most online casinos you get a bonus for signing up. I assume most people fritter it away or play it through but get addicted etc so they are still making money overall. We, on the other hand, are playing perfect blackjack with the minimum bet size (right guys...), cashing out and moving on to the next casino.

I'm up £1500 so far (some of that is from poker though). It really does work, although how long it will last I'm not sure. The bonus wager requirements seem to be getting tougher by the week.

Wrong.

How is it wrong?

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When I said guaranteed I meant if everything went exactly as it should mathematically. It never does of course, I was just being hypothetical. gandhi I don't think you've really understood the basics of this, go to [link removed] and read through it if you really want to know, it's explained in far greater detail there. spacedinvader, many thanks for that information, I'll add it to the FAQ on FundMyDegree.com in a minute. johnjwaters, I know it's repetitive answering the same questions over and over again but everyone's a newbie once; I'll keep these at bay for as long as I can, you can provide backup when I'm flagging :angry:

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When I said guaranteed I meant if everything went exactly as it should mathematically. It never does of course, I was just being hypothetical. gandhi I don't think you've really understood the basics of this

Sorry, forgot to thank people for explaining it. No, I see what you're doing now, bonuses/freebies; being strict with self when playing and then moving on. I think its quite simple really. Of course, won't be sustainable forever, so not so interesting now.

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I was just looking back over this thread and saw this - hard rock isn't listed on blackholebonus anymore, why's that?

I'm looking for more casinos to try. I also see William Hill isn't listed, any particular reason?

Hard Rock went shit - 50x playthrough as opposed to 7x. And WillHill isn't listed because I'm completely retarded and forgot about it in the changeover. I'll rectify that now.

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Few other omissions from blackhole kokyu

attheraces

SkybetVegas

totalbet

UKbetting

cantor

sporting odds

Not played these yet....doing a little research and waiting for some of my winnings to return to my account but they all look fine for Black Jack bonus (and the Skybet one looks very good).

Having just discovered the joys of autoplay with 32red, do you know of anymore (other than Ladbrokes), any of those?

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I only started playing online for a couple of months but been playing home games for the past four years I do find online much harder, I'm good at noticing bluffs in home games all I have to go with online is the people's bet amounts but then there a players who just bet random amounts which screws it up.

I've won about £150 on poker up and down, not as much as some but to me it's a lot.

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No, that is helpful, thankyou!

What about the timeframe on each of these? An hour?

And you've not made any losses yet?

Gandhi. The time frame it has taken me isn't very accurate, as my PC is crap. Coral, for example, would allow me to play around 15 hands, then it would slow down until it took a good three minutes per hand. The 32Red one took me about 12 hours (most of which it played itself!) and it should have taken about a 6th of that had i set it up properly. The GetMinted one took about an afternnon, then I had to wait for my bonus (which took 24 hours), then I had to play fifty more hands (about 30 mins).

And no, I haven't lost yet. I have only done the three, and a lot of others have had better luck than me. The 32Red one gave me a panic when I dropped about £60 of the £200 in the first hour, but it all evened out in the end.

As for others, I went over the original list on teh other thread to see what else I could try (as my new sign ups seem pretty limited).

A few things I noticed were that some of the play throughs were completely ridiculous and not worth the hours upon hours it would take. I also noticed that some I had never used before said that my email address and username was already registered. I am guessing they have the same parent company. Finally, a lot of the original ones have removed Blackjack from the list of games that can be played to unlock bonus. It is in teh small print buried somewhere, so be careful and check properly :-)

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here is a list of mine so far

Coral £75 in £155 out

Harrods £50 in £100 out

Get Minted £50 in £10.50 left with bonus £50 to be added and played

Littlewoods £25 in £27.50 out

best one for time was harrods. did it in 30 mins

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New personal favourite for me..

Bet365 - £100 in, £231 out!!

Usual story, up a bit, down a bit, then fought it back to about even, which is where it usually screws me on the last 100 hands or so. Not so! Turned around to my advantage by about 70 quid. Have to say that I threw the table in the bin and started pulling cards when I was not supposed to and standing when I was supposed to draw. Ah well!

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got the £50 from sportingodds, but i've given up going for the extra £100. basically, i was making a loss even after getting the £50 bonus, but i kept playing as i had to wager it through enough to withdraw. i hit a massive winning streak and took advantage of it, but since then, i've mostly been playing £1 hands to hold off an unstoppable tide of defeats.

i'm not going to wager thousands more relying on another massive winning streak because a - it's not very reliable, and b - it'll take fucking ages, because i have to wager £1 a go otherwise theres no way i'll make it to the next bonus.

it just feels too much like doing victor chandler did - a massive waste of time! so, £37.50 up will do me fine on that one. besides, i should get my £150 credited from skybet tomorrow to play with :blink:

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Edit2: Edited, for the kids like.

So this thread is only 5 pages long and I've decided to compile a list of errors made by people. Silly errors that could easily be cut out. If you think I'm being pedantic please understand this is for your and everyone else's own good - you're dealing with serious amounts of money here and it pays to be sensible, literally. If you have ever done or are thinking about doing any of the below, don't. Hopefully the sheer number of errors will make people realise that the system has many nuances to it.

Edit: Just to show no one's invunerable to mistakes:

A mammoth bonus' date=' consider playing up to £5 a hand to speed things up. If you're not comfortable with that stick with a lower hand size.[/quote']

Her I'm being a hypocritcal idiot. ALWAYS play smallest hand sizes.

About £600.

Not keeping track properly.

Must be a couple of grand, completely lost track

Same again. Always keep detailed notes.

I'm doing fucking terrible.

Got the Casino.net bonus, bet it all away in two hands.

Went through the Virgin Casino Blackjack, got upto £75 with the bonus (put in £50), should have cashed out but I fucking didn't, lost it all.

Put £25 into Coral, found it difficult to get anywhere and lost it all.

I'm fucked.

Just generally being silly.

Then moved onto GetMinted. Fucked up and lost my deposit of £50.

Not understanding the system properly. He should have deposited more and got his bonus, thus minimising losses.

When I was doing smaller bonuses like getminted, hard rock, virgin etc, I was generally wagering about £1-3 per time depending on how well i was doing, so that a bad run wouldn't completely wipe me out. but totesport, for example, was a £100 deposit, the bonus was added straight away, so you start with £200, and have to wager £4000 before you can take out the bonus. So on there I was wagering £5 a go, or it would have taken forever :blink:

Being impatient. Wager the lowest amount allowed. If the bonus is large, so the wager requirement will be. It will take longer. This is only natural, you're getting paid more after all.

I was, and I was losing, but I'll check wizardofodds to see where I'm going wrong.

Not reading up on the game properly before playing.

I would have dropped down to a lower wager if things weren't going particularly well, as I've done before. It just so happens that this time, things never went badly, so I didn't have to.

Not playing smallest hand sizes possible. I don't care how good your winning streak was.

Playing a larger hand only affects your profits on short term basis, in the long term it has the benefit of reducing the time you spend playing.

Being wrong. This would only be true if you could play enough casinos for the distribution to approach normal. This is a statistics term. Basically "enough casinos" is more than 30. There aren't that many decent casinos, hence the wrongness.

£15 profit on totesport. I was a dickhead and lost a load of £5 bets. Things got a bit hairy and it was a case of can I or can I not save my deposit.

Playing too high a hand size.

BUT ITS SO BORING ;)

Might make an autoplay program. Should be a piece of piss.

Not having patience. And also not sharing his autoplay program with everyone. No Christmas card for you this year.

Right I think I've wagered £500 on GetMinted now but the bonus hasn't appeared yet, how long should it take?

Not reading the terms and conditions properly beforehand. They clearly state "will take up to 72 hours for the bonus to be credited". Whilst this is a minor point he could quite easily have missed something more important which would have been far more detrimental.

I don't make biggish bets at all. Never over £5. Usually £2 at a time.

"Biggish" isn't open to interpretation with this system. "Correct" = lowest possible. "Big" = anything larger than lowest.

I bet almost all 5's that time with the very occasional 10.

I know i'm bound to lose say a hundred at some point but i'm doing ok doing things my way!!

I follow the colour charts very closely also but tend to play the normal blackjack games rather than the various other types.

Two things - 1. not betting small enough, 2. not playing the right variant of blackjack.

Guys, there is a wagering system called sweeping. The principle is to take maximum advantage of your win streaks and, although it increases the variance, in the long term it won't make any difference to your expected return. Basically, if you win a certain number of hands in a row, you double your wager. When you lose, you drop back to your base rate.

Pesonally I use this system:

Bet 1 win, bet 1 win, bet 2 win, bet 2 win, bet 4 win, bet 4 lose, bet 1 etc.

It cuts wagering time very effectively, and gives the odd big win. Of couse, I wipe out more often than I would flat betting too.

Using a betting system. They. Do. Not. Work.

I do that sometimes, never heard of it before but just decided it could work and it did. Basically if i've won a few and feel like it's going to be a decent streak I make the odd slightly bigger bet.

Works adequately.

Again, a betting system.

gaaahhh. lost £75 to virgin last night. (deposited 50, left with 25 after bonus - yes I did keep playing after the bonus).

Playing after getting the bonus. By doing that you're just plain gambling.

Could be worse...I lost my way through £100 last night at Intercasino (£50 mine, £50 bonus). I'm debating whether to deposit any more money to make it through the last £250 of the W/R. I'm thinking the odds are against me.

So I tried getminted since they ahd kindly deposited my bonus. And promptly lost my own £50 having only played £200 of the W/R. I then turned the computer off in disgust.

Not understanding the system properly. Intercasino - you've already lost your bonus, quit. GetMinted - you haven't got your bonus yet, redeposit and play on.

I had a problem with the dealer's hands at Virgin, four blackjacks in a row, I had one the entire time I was playing.

Having a problem with a random number generator. Please get out more.

Cleared the WR for £100 bonus (you had to wager £2000 for £100 bonus - £5000 for £250) on VC £100 up on my deposit :(

I double up on every subsequent losing hand so pretty much never lose. Only a losing streak of 8 or so can wipe your bankroll out and the odds of that are like 1/5000 on each hand will be the start of a huge losing streak.

YMMV.

Using the "Martingale System" which has been widely documented and proven to be utterly shit. It's your own money you're throwing away, not mine.

this shit performance is partly my fault, i was doing incredibly shit, then realised "hang on a minute, theres 5 queens on the table. i'm playing the wrong bloody version!"

Not paying attention.

I wouldn't mind doing something like this - although I know what will happen. Think the Mr. Spew incident but on a bigger scale.

Visiting a Poker folder when you know you have a gambling problem.

Ok, you lot have finally convinced me to give this a go (seems like easy money, right?).

Letting others convince you to do the system. There are two possibilities. 1 - it's a scam. 2 - it's not. If you decide 1, leave. If you decide 2, there are two further possibilities. 1 - it doesn't work. 2 - it works. Again, if you decide 1, leave. If you decide 2, then it's not a scam and it does work. Empirical evidence of individual cases should not sway your decision.

£239 profit from VC, went for the £100 bonus. Cheers Victor!

Playing for a smaller than maximum bonus. There's £250 for the taking, why go for less?

No chance. wagered £160 lost £30. To wager £800 I'm gonna end up losing far too much. Maybe that's just Coral, I followed the chart exactly and they just seemed to constantly luck out. Hell they must have done to beat me that badly. Once bitten etc, no more for me, no more. The dumbest thing I could do would be to not learn a lesson from this.

See two quotes up. You decided the system was sound and you happened to lose money on it this one instance. This does not prove anything. If you decided it wasn't a scam and it works then you should merely be annoyed at your bad luck then move on to another casino, nothing more, nothing less. One bad result does not imply they will all be bad. Once bitten, twice you hope that the randomly generated possibility of being bitten this time does not occur and you're willing to risk it because the rewards are great and the risk of being bitten is low, is, I believe, the whole saying.

Right then, after a day and a half on Coral, I completed my 800 stake for a profit of £21! Not great, but a profit. Found Coral would go on seriously hurtful runs (four dealer blackjacks and two 21's in 7 hands, and a run where I had 2 wins and 1 push in 27 deals!). Anyway, decided to go for the monthly bonus and set off on my 250 stake. Wasn't until I had staked £250 that I realised they have increased the requirement to £625! Pretty big jump! But I carried on anyway like an idiot and finally did it for another £6.50 profit

Not reading t&cs properly.

I lost a fair amount of it when wagering through the bonus.

Playing too high a hand size.

far, far too long. i started off doing £5 bets on VC but i lost too much so i changed down to £1 bets. eventually, i decided that if i went up by a tenner from where i was, i'd bet £2. if i went up a tenner from there, £3 and so on, dropping back down to £1 if i lost a tenner. which sped things up considerably. but still took ages. all for £16 profit :(

edit: also doesn't help that the VC software is a pile of shit. no turbo mode? idiots!

Not betting smallest possible amount. Using a betting system.

I've been doing something similar to that.

Using a betting system.

This influx of young jedi lack patience, tears end in it will

;)

Not taking the advice of an old-timer seriously.

Get Minted £50 in £10.50 left with bonus £50 to be added and played.

When you get the bonus, I'd probably try and play it in two hands.

Recommending complete bullshit. 2 hands? That's just plain gambling and NOT what the system is trying to achieve.

There. Don't be idiots boys and girls. Do it properly and it's likely to work (although definitely NOT guaranteed).

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advice is always appreciated, but if you're going to start flinging insults around, you might want to update your own site first.

i quote:

"consider playing up to £5 a hand to speed things up. If you're not comfortable with that stick with a lower hand size."

http://www.blackholebonus.com/casinos/bluesq/

always play the smallest hand, idiot, bigger bonuses = bigger money, so they're going to have bigger wager requirements :blink:

all i am risking is money i have already won. if i were to lose my deposit on one particular casino, well, then i will have made a bit less profit overall. i'm willing to take that chance in order to speed things up. as are you, it seems.

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Couple of things: someone mentioned totalbet earlier in the thread - don't bother doing it. The £25 bonus is a non-withdrawable casino chip, your withdrawable balance will not increase no matter how many times you play it through (yes - I tried). Doesn't seem to mention this in the t&c, although it call the bonus a £25 "casino chip".

Secondly: Kokyu - take your grumpy trousers off. If people don't follow the system and lose their money - tough. They are responsible for their own actions. If they lose and thus make the casinos more money then the bonuses are likely to continue for longer anyway.

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advice is always appreciated, but if you're going to start flinging insults around, you might want to update your own site first.

i quote:

"consider playing up to £5 a hand to speed things up. If you're not comfortable with that stick with a lower hand size."

http://www.blackholebonus.com/casinos/bluesq/

always play the smallest hand, idiot, bigger bonuses = bigger money, so they're going to have bigger wager requirements ;)

all i am risking is money i have already won. if i were to lose my deposit on one particular casino, well, then i will have made a bit less profit overall. i'm willing to take that chance in order to speed things up. as are you, it seems.

Excellent point, I'll change that now. And I'll add myself to the list of idiots. One moment please. *Fur Elise plays*

Edit: All done, thank you for pointing that out.

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