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Hamilton is the best driver in your opinion. It's not fact and can't be measured as fact unless every driver is given exactly the same equipment and isn't subject to any accidents or breakdowns. The same way as Senna, Schumacher or any of the greats can never be called "the best" because someone will always have reasons as to why one of the others was better.

So we know Hamilton is better than Alonso and Kovi, we just need to arrange a shootout in say a force india with the other drivers and we can settle this.

Or we could use the age old method of winning championships but i guess that is just silly !

Schumacher wasn't all that, Brundle was better in the same car half the time - Schumacher just got lucky OBV

Or we could use Rain races to measure driver skill, NO NO NO sorry Hamilton was the best then so we couldn't use that - sorry my mistake.

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I was thinking about that earlier; did he run wide, or did Hamilton let Vettel through so he didn't take him out while trying to overtake?

That might seem strange, but after the race I heard someone from McLaren saying that they told Lewis that he was going to catch Glock on the final lap. They cut it incredibly fine in the end, but I guess they were expecting more rain to come and slightly earlier than it actually did, only really starting half-way through the final lap.

It was one hell of a call if that's what they did do.

it was Kubica who caused that by unlapping himself, i need to see the reply to catch exactly how it all happened.

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Hamilton is the best driver in your opinion. It's not fact and can't be measured as fact unless every driver is given exactly the same equipment and isn't subject to any accidents or breakdowns. The same way as Senna, Schumacher or any of the greats can never be called "the best" because someone will always have reasons as to why one of the others was better.

edit: a quick look on wiki reveals Hamilton and Alonso finished equal on points. You have a funny interpretation of "handing his ass to him".

Surely this goes to prove that he is the best driver. Regardless of whether you find the media attention placed upon him by the British press positive or grating, his performance this season has truly set him apart from Massa. It obvious.

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Hamilton is the best driver in your opinion. It's not fact and can't be measured as fact unless every driver is given exactly the same equipment and isn't subject to any accidents or breakdowns. The same way as Senna, Schumacher or any of the greats can never be called "the best" because someone will always have reasons as to why one of the others was better.

edit: a quick look on wiki reveals Hamilton and Alonso finished equal on points. You have a funny interpretation of "handing his ass to him".

Well it is fact. He has the most points in the season and won the drivers championship. By any definition it makes him the best driver this season overall.

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are you mental?

a quick look on the official F1 site says Hamilton won by 37 points.

http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/

I was responding to shimmyhills comment that Hamilton handed Alonsos arse to him when they were both at McLaren last year. At least I think that's what he meant? in which case they tied on points. Apologies if that isn't what he meant.

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I was responding to shimmyhills comment that Hamilton handed Alonsos arse to him when they were both at McLaren last year. At least I think that's what he meant? in which case they tied on points. Apologies if that isn't what he meant.

I did mean last season.

I stand by my comment, points equal maybe but one was a 2 time world champion with many years experience and the other was a rookie who had not even raced some of the tracks.

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I did mean last season.

I stand by my comment, points equal maybe but one was a 2 time world champion with many years experience and the other was a rookie who had not even raced some of the tracks.

Wasn't that the main reason for Whaalonso's epic dummy spitting display last season anyway.

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Alonso set to announce Renault future

By Jonathan Noble Sunday, November 2nd 2008, 22:54 GMT

Former world champion Fernando Alonso will end speculation about his future on Wednesday when he is confirmed as Renault's lead driver for 2009.

The Spaniard has been considering his options for next year following a challenging season on a return to the French car manufacturer that helped him to world titles in 2005 and 2006.

But despite overtures from Honda Racing and BMW Sauber, Alonso has decided to remain at Renault for another season.

Renault team boss Flavio Briatore told autosport.com on Sunday night in Brazil that the team were planning to reveal their driver line-up for next year this week.

"I will confirm my drivers on Wednesday," he said. "That will be the announcement but I cannot say who the drivers will be."

Sources suggest that Brazilian Nelson Piquet is now favourite to keep the second seat - having been handed a stay of execution following a step forward in performance in recent races.

Renault test drivers Lucas di Grassi and Romain Grosjean had been linked to the second seat this season.

Briatore would not confirm speculation about Piquet when asked if the Brazilian would indeed be staying on board.

"We will see," he said. "You know, it is not a surprise anymore."

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There's been three different champions in 3 years, each driving for a different team. Surely this is a pretty good time for Formula 1?

I know what you are saying, but you need that affinity with someone. I don't know, but would imagine not many football fans watch football just for the sake of it without having anyone to cheer on. I have supported the likes of Hunt, Mansell, Senna, Villenueve, Schumacher. But I said here the day schumacher retired, that there was no one I had any interest in anymore. I have sat and watched races, but find I can just as easily start channel hopping or not mind people calling round.

My family used to know that Sunday afternoon was the one day of the week that I didn't want to be disturbed because i was watching the F1. Now I can just as easily switch off and go do something else.

Edit: mmmm, know Alonsos options could have been very limited next season. But it seems Renault have taken an age to get back anywhere near the front. I'm not sure they have what it takes at the moment to build a car under the new rules that will be quick straight off the mark, and that would be a shame after the performances Alonso has put in during the last few races.

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That without doubt was the most amazing race, and a fitting end to a great season.

It had everything you could ever want from a Formula 1 race.

A sudden shower on the grid, what tires to take off the line?

Hamilton’s blinding move to overtake Fisi.

Then Vettel driving like he was racing for the silverware

Hamilton racing for 5th place with a tired engine

Massa driving like a man possessed

Vettel taking Hamilton’s 5th place with 2 laps to go

So there we were, just like last year, all he had to do was finish 5th or better. But Vettel is hustling the plucky young English chap. It’s wet, they’ve all come in for inters. This can’t be happening…….

Then Vettel is past the Hamilton and we’re staring down the barrel of second place for the second year. The families explode in the Ferrari pit. This is it their boy is going to win at home in front of those fans who have prayed all day for this. Their boy is out front and winning, doing everything he can to take home the silverware and be the next Senna ™.

No this can’t be, Vettel is driving away from Hamilton. What is he doing with that Torro Rosso, it’s not fair. He’s not going to get anything for this, it’s meaningless from Vettel. But it’s everything for Hamilton. It’s his whole life and future and universe. It’s can’t go wrong again .. Not like this.

It’s the last lap. England sits on the edge of their sofa and shouts with all it has. Prays, and wills the McLaren to catch and pass the Torro Rosso. The Australians thrashed up in the Rugby league worlds cup on Saturday. The English Cricket lost 20 million dollars with a pathetic display of ineptitude and wetness on Saturday. On Sunday we can’t loose this. Not like this.

Turn 1 The Senna esses gone 2, 3 the Curva Do Sol, 4, up the hill into turn 5 The Ferra Durra all fly past … the Torro Rosso is tantalisingly close but just inches to far, just out of reach. Vettel isn’t going to make a mistake is he …? Down the hill through 8 and 9 ….10

Please not like this……

But wait … who’s that ….

No it’s can’t be……..

Glock. But yes there he is. He’s in front of Hamilton. Or he was. They’re into turn 11 Mergulho. Down into the compression before they climb to the start finish line Vettel passes Glock. Who looks like he’s driving a truck on ice that’s been sprayed with oil. Turn 12 Juncao. This is it ….. Hamilton slips past. Meanwhile Massa has crossed the line. The Ferrari pit are dancing around, they’re won. The New Senna ™ is going to be crowned in Brazil. They’re ecstatic.

Tear of joy.

…… Massa is punching the air. …….

The McLaren pit is running into the pit lane… they can’t believe it; they have to see it for themselves.

Massa’s family are dancing around hugging each other in a moment of utter joy … the Ferrari Mechanic grabs hold of them. He’s shouting something…

Behind them, the Silver and black McLaren slips across the line and the crowd go silent. Whilst England screams with joy. YES it’s our turn to win. We’re not the losers this time it’s not our turn. He’s won, he’s won for us. He’s English and ours and brilliant and only 5th (just) but he’s won the championship for us.

Thank you thank you thank you.

They can’t believe it at Ferrari, Massa did everything he could and it’s been stolen from under their noses. They stand looking lost and confused….how did this happen. He won, but he didn’t win? What happened?

Massa isn’t punching the air anymore.

Hamilton is punching the air.

The job has finally been done.

There is champagne and glum looks on the top step. All three look like they’re lost. Even Alonso looks like he’s been told his wife has left him to live on a commune in Alaska and sell CD’s of animal noises on the internet. Kimis lost his Number 1 on the front of his car. He looked tired and lost all season. Bored and uninterested. Massa looks like his world has ended. Understandably is guess.

Down below the podiums, the scene is much different, the McLaren boys and celebrating like its 1999. Smiles and hugs, backslaps and high fives.

This has been a classic year I think. The last lap and pretty much the last corner. It doesn’t get much better. Some one complained to me that there had been no racing and passing this year. That it was all processional. I said, Hamilton racing to win in Germany. Driving through the rain at Silverstone. Crashes in the pit lane at Canada. The mess that was Belgium. Vettel winning in a monsoon in Italy. Alonso driving like he was on fire in the Singapore night air. Hamilton tagging the wall in Monaco and still winning.

This year was fantastic.

Max got caught with his pants down and a ropey lass spanking him for Gods sake. How could you not have been gripped by F1 this year? The Stewards made some appalling decision and ruined both China and Spa.

But through it all Hamilton and Massa raced for the silverware and entertained us. Both of them deserved to take it. Massa won more races and Hamilton never stopped trying. Without the mess that was Belgium, the penalty for Canada and the drive through in Chine. I think we would be celebrating much earlier. But that’s FIA motor racing I guess.

Kimi had a lot of bad luck, but looked uninterested and dog slow a lot of the time. Maybe it was the car and his driving style. But he just didn’t look like he wanted it as much as Massa did. He’s still the fastest man out there with 10 fastest laps this year. But the results just didn’t follow.

Kubica flattered to deceive in the end. The high point of Canada was never relived and the beemers struggled during the second half of the season. He couldn’t drive the team forward and just whinged and moaned when BMW said they were developing the 2009 car from Singapore onwards. Maybe BMW didn’t have the faith in Kubica to go out and win. Maybe they just knew it was a pointless fight.

Alonso came good at the end and showed why he was a twice world champion. If Renault had been developing their engine a touch earlier, we could have had a 4 way fight at the end maybe. Two wins rejuvenated him. He looked like a different driver to the one who stated in Australia. He had a car that was dog slow and ill-handling. He’s tuned the car and the team into what he wants and moved Renault ahead of BMW. If his team mate (who crashed yet again) hadn’t failed so badly, they would have taken the best of the rest title.

So there you go. It was a good year to watch I think, despite the FIA trying to cock it up. Ferrari gets the constructors and McLaren get the drivers. I’ll be back next year no doubt. New cars, drivers, technology and World Champion. What’s not to like.

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I think I'll stick a few quid on Massa for next seasons championship. During the last half of this season he's seemed head and shoulders above every other driver. With Massa, Hamilton, Alonso and Kimi (when he tries) all battling it out and Kubica and Vettel coming through the ranks, F1 should have an amazing next few years. Roll on next year.

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Any chance of Kovalinen cunting off from Mclaren, then?

Yet another race in which he got nowehere and we need a go at the constructors next season.

I wouldn't mind seeing what Vettel could do in a McLaren to be honest. No chance of it happening though I don't think. Kovalinen has been very disappointing.

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I think I'll stick a few quid on Massa for next seasons championship. During the last half of this season he's seemed head and shoulders above every other driver. With Massa, Hamilton, Alonso and Kimi (when he tries) all battling it out and Kubica and Vettel coming through the ranks, F1 should have an amazing next few years. Roll on next year.

Not exactly. I swear, I read somewhere that Alonso has amassed the most points in the last 8 races.

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Kovalinen has been very disappointing.

He has but i still think the Mclaren is behind the Ferrari, Kovi has had some good drives and poles but i honestly think Hamilton is driving the nuts of an inferior car to the Ferrari much like Alonso in the Renault.

Watching Massa on the podium was pretty harsh, he can hold his head high tho and i do feel a little sorry for him - reminds me of that Rally race where Sainz lost the title in view of the finish line :(

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I know what you are saying, but you need that affinity with someone. I don't know, but would imagine not many football fans watch football just for the sake of it without having anyone to cheer on.

I think lots of football fans, like myself, watch lots of football even if they don't support one of the teams involved, because we love the game and seeing it played.

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Great review as always sidewaysbob.

Heikki did a great job I thought, he lost two places defending Hamilton at the start which was difficult to recover from.

I also doubt Hamilton let Vettel through, I think he just had less grip due to lower downforce (as evidenced by the ease with which he caught up on the straights, only to lose it again in the corners).

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