Bad Beats

[smoothe]

At a live game last night, I saw a terrific (and hilarious) bad beat:

Three people in the pot, one of which is an absolute beginner and the worst calling station you'll ever see.

Flop comes 2,3,9 -all three go all in.

Turn A,

River 4

The players flip over AA, KK and 55, yes she went all-in (200+ BB, VERY deep stacked) with pocket 5s and an overcard. The AA starts to rake the chips until I point out, unnoticed to all players, that the beginner with the 55 actually made a runner-runner straight to beat both KK and AA.

Neither player will speak to her for the rest of the night

[Poet]

I continue to run like shit. So much so that I only played a couple of sessions this week. KK all in preflop continues to be a HUGE loser for me over the last few thousand hands, and yet has never once come up against AA. And AA has lost 2 out of the last 3 all ins preflop for me, twice for full stacks and then when I won it was for about $8.

It's so fucking boring putting in my money ahead again and again and losing. And expensive.

[mayor_mike_haggar]

I'm not sure if this really belongs here, but it's a hand history thread so what the hell. This has to be the single worst laydown that I have ever seen. It's simply breathtaking. I asked the guy after if he mis-clicked, and he didn't say anything so maybe that explains it. But it's still pretty crazy.

Table '91579545 16' 9-max Seat #2 is the button

Seat 1: Hr. Hoerter (1935 in chips)

Seat 2: Ivanushkin (1805 in chips)

Seat 3: thezard (1490 in chips)

Seat 4: G-LoomisUSA (4995 in chips)

Seat 5: bofsworld (1870 in chips)

Seat 6: MAYOR (1625 in chips)

Seat 7: Marc8765 (1305 in chips)

Seat 8: itsme3113 (1550 in chips)

Seat 9: Yogi B3ar (1905 in chips)

thezard: posts small blind 25

G-LoomisUSA: posts big blind 50

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to MAYOR [Ah Ac]

bofsworld: folds

MAYOR: raises 150 to 200

Marc8765: folds

itsme3113: folds

Yogi B3ar: folds

Hr. Hoerter: folds

Ivanushkin: folds

thezard: folds

G-LoomisUSA: calls 150

*** FLOP *** [3s 8h Tc]

G-LoomisUSA: checks

MAYOR: bets 150

G-LoomisUSA: calls 150

*** TURN *** [3s 8h Tc] [5c]

G-LoomisUSA: checks

MAYOR: bets 400

G-LoomisUSA: calls 400

*** RIVER *** [3s 8h Tc 5c] [Kc]

G-LoomisUSA: bets 800

MAYOR: raises 75 to 875 and is all-in

G-LoomisUSA: folds

Uncalled bet (75) returned to johan glans

johan glans collected 3125 from pot

simply amazing

[Darragh]

I'm not sure if this really belongs here, but it's a hand history thread so what the hell. This has to be the single worst laydown that I have ever seen. It's simply breathtaking. I asked the guy after if he mis-clicked, and he didn't say anything so maybe that explains it. But it's still pretty crazy.

simply amazing

I've seen that happen a fair few times. Unless he mis-clicked, he'll have been betting the river with absolutely nothing, and folded something that couldn't possibly be ahead. If I'm not worrying about meta-game or table image or anything, I'll have called in his position just to see what you had.

[Poet]

METAGAME!

Ha! I love that expression

[Commander Jameson]

Late stage in a MTT tourney (last 15). The leading stack is to my left (about 10x what I have), calling everything, so I tighten up and wait for a solid hand. Pick up AKo in BB. 4 callers including big stack to my left. I check. Flop comes A-A-3. I check. The big stack bets (min bet). Everyone folds. I raise about pot-size. Big stack goes all-in. I call. He shows AJ. J on the turn.

[Darragh]

Late stage in a MTT tourney (last 15). The leading stack is to my left (about 10x what I have), calling everything, so I tighten up and wait for a solid hand. Pick up AKo in BB. 4 callers including big stack to my left. I check. Flop comes A-A-3. I check. The big stack bets (min bet). Everyone folds. I raise about pot-size. Big stack goes all-in. I call. He shows AJ. J on the turn.

Unlucky man, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to enter criticism mode here. You really don't want to be checking your BB here with AK. It's a horrible hand to trap with pre-flop, especially in multi-way pots like this. What were the blinds, and how big was your stack? You say the chip leader had 10x what you had, so can I assume that you didn't have much more than 10BB, if that? If so, you should just shove pre-flop, and be happy no matter what the outcome. If everyone folds, you add 4BB to your stack, which (assuming my assumptions about your stack size are correct) would be a not-inconsiderable addition. Actually, you could shove in up to around 20BB pre-flop here, take down the pot, and move on. AK really shrinks as a hand when played out of position against four limpers.

[Commander Jameson]

Unlucky man, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to enter criticism mode here. You really don't want to be checking your BB here with AK. It's a horrible hand to trap with pre-flop, especially in multi-way pots like this. What were the blinds, and how big was your stack? You say the chip leader had 10x what you had, so can I assume that you didn't have much more than 10BB, if that? If so, you should just shove pre-flop, and be happy no matter what the outcome. If everyone folds, you add 4BB to your stack, which (assuming my assumptions about your stack size are correct) would be a not-inconsiderable addition. Actually, you could shove in up to around 20BB pre-flop here, take down the pot, and move on. AK really shrinks as a hand when played out of position against four limpers.

I agree. Normally, I would have raised, but every previous raise had been called and beaten by the big stack. I knew if I hit something, then I could double up post-flop. I wasn't worried about the limpers as they had folded to post-flop bets in previous hands.

[Darragh]

I agree. Normally, I would have raised, but every previous raise had been called and beaten by the big stack. I knew if I hit something, then I could double up post-flop. I wasn't worried about the limpers as they had folded to post-flop bets in previous hands.

You might not have been worried about the limpers, but you still have to raise here. The chances of AK being the best hand after the flop are tiny if you don't pair up (and even then, you could be beaten if one of them limped with an Ax-type hand and flopped two pair). If you had moved in, the big stack would probably have called you with AJ, yes, and he'd have won. But that's not the point. AK is almost certainly the best hand pre-flop in this situation, so you should be moving all your chips over the line, praying that the big stack, or someone else, calls you. AK isn't a hand that you can "see a flop" with against multiple players. While it's arguably in the top 4 starting hands in Hold 'Em, it's still just Ace high. It is, however, the strongest drawing hand there is, and is a favourite over everything but a pocket pair. Once you get into a multi-way pot with it, though, things start to get messy. People tend to limp with the very hands you don't want to be up against (hands like suited connectors, that will only put more chips in if they're beating you), so you want to, at the very least, raise to push out the limpers and play a much more comfortable heads-up pot.

Sorry if that sounded a bit aggressive. Just trying to help.

[Poet]

I agree. Normally, I would have raised, but every previous raise had been called and beaten by the big stack. I knew if I hit something, then I could double up post-flop. I wasn't worried about the limpers as they had folded to post-flop bets in previous hands.

You can't be results orientated. AK vs big stack is going to be, at worst, a coinflip, and usually far better. Going into a pot multiway with AKo out of position at this stage of a tourney is long term suicide.

[Commander Jameson]

I know guys. Don't worry. This wouldn't be my normal play. I'd been with the big stack for a lot of the tourney and he was catching everything in sight. I was just getting tired of either getting nothing or hitting nothing.

[Billy Brown]

I believe the popular internet acronym 'WTF' was coined many years ago purely for use in response for Dawilooky's post-flop play in the following hand:

Full Tilt Poker Game #6864912743: Table Cable (deep) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:05:46 ET - 2008/06/17

Seat 1: phillegrino ($14.50)

Seat 2: trendthrift ($42.60)

Seat 3: evenbiggerfish ($22.05)

Seat 4: 47375793 ($101.85)

Seat 5: Corretol ($25.10)

Seat 6: Dawilooky ($42.50)

Seat 7: 808DONK ($59.10)

Seat 8: VolleyShoot ($25)

Seat 9: Meyerondos ($29.50)

Corretol posts the small blind of $0.10

Dawilooky posts the big blind of $0.25

The button is in seat #4

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to trendthrift [9d 9h]

808DONK calls $0.25

VolleyShoot folds

Meyerondos folds

phillegrino folds

trendthrift calls $0.25

evenbiggerfish folds

47375793 calls $0.25

Corretol folds

Dawilooky checks

*** FLOP *** [9s Jh 5s]

Dawilooky has 15 seconds left to act

Dawilooky checks

808DONK checks

evenbiggerfish has been disconnected

trendthrift bets $0.70

47375793 has 15 seconds left to act

47375793 raises to $1.40

Dawilooky has 15 seconds left to act

Dawilooky raises to $2.10

808DONK is sitting out

808DONK folds

trendthrift has 15 seconds left to act

trendthrift raises to $8.50

47375793 has 15 seconds left to act

47375793 folds

Dawilooky has 15 seconds left to act

Dawilooky calls $6.40

*** TURN *** [9s Jh 5s] [Qc]

Dawilooky has 15 seconds left to act

Dawilooky bets $33.75, and is all in

trendthrift calls $33.75

Dawilooky shows [7s Kc]

trendthrift shows [9d 9h]

*** RIVER *** [9s Jh 5s Qc] [Ts]

Dawilooky shows a straight, King high

trendthrift shows three of a kind, Nines

Dawilooky wins the pot ($84) with a straight, King high

trendthrift adds $49.90

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $87 | Rake $3

Board: [9s Jh 5s Qc Ts]

Seat 1: phillegrino didn't bet (folded)

Seat 2: trendthrift showed [9d 9h] and lost with three of a kind, Nines

Seat 3: evenbiggerfish didn't bet (folded)

Seat 4: 47375793 (button) folded on the Flop

Seat 5: Corretol (small blind) folded before the Flop

Seat 6: Dawilooky (big blind) showed [7s Kc] and won ($84) with a straight, King high

Seat 7: 808DONK folded on the Flop

Seat 8: VolleyShoot didn't bet (folded)

Seat 9: Meyerondos didn't bet (folded)

[Poet]

God that was disgusting.

[rjpageuk]

wtf indeed.

When I get back home I will have a look to see if I have any hands with that guy in my database.

[Billy Brown]

God that was disgusting.

I wasn't overly happy, I must admit. Thankfully, I was lucky enough to be on the right side of KK>AA for once last night to put me back into profit for the session.

I only had 50 or so hands for this guy in my database, but his VP$IP was genuinely over 90. I found the perfect spot to punish him, and I got spanked for it. Still, you can bet I'll be looking out for him on the tables tonight.

[Billy Brown]

Holy shit. I've caught up with Dawilooky again in the hopes of taking my money back. I have just the 68 hands on him, but in that amount of play he's $350 down. This at 25NL.

[Poet]

That's impressive. Either a total degenerate or someone who plays a hell of a lot higher just having a mini spew for some reason!

[Billy Brown]

I caught up with him again tonight. Two notable hands -- excuse the weak pre-flop calls in both; I was trying to see as many flops with middling hands as possible against this guy. He's calling pretty much any pre-flop raises, so I was waiting to trap him cheaply. Anyway, the first hand of note, where he again caught his draw on the river against my set. I played this whole hand very weakly to be fair:

Full Tilt Poker Game #6890301563: Table Ham (deep) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:19:06 ET - 2008/06/19

Seat 1: Texas_Crossfire ($76.80)

Seat 2: trendthrift ($25)

Seat 3: 47375793 ($38.80)

Seat 4: robvfr ($8.55)

Seat 5: PetteyTheft8 ($66.90)

Seat 6: Mia81 ($25)

Seat 7: Dawilooky ($34.40)

Seat 8: trambon ($25)

Seat 9: VolleyShoot ($26.35)

PetteyTheft8 posts the small blind of $0.10

Mia81 has 5 seconds left to act

Mia81 is sitting out

Mia81 has timed out

Dawilooky posts the big blind of $0.25

The button is in seat #4

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to trendthrift [6d 6h]

trambon folds

VolleyShoot folds

Mia81 has returned

Texas_Crossfire raises to $0.85

trendthrift calls $0.85

47375793 calls $0.85

robvfr folds

PetteyTheft8 folds

Dawilooky calls $0.60

*** FLOP *** [Kd 7c 3d]

Dawilooky checks

Texas_Crossfire checks

trendthrift checks

47375793 checks

*** TURN *** [Kd 7c 3d] [6s]

Dawilooky checks

Texas_Crossfire checks

trendthrift bets $2.25

47375793 folds

Dawilooky calls $2.25

Texas_Crossfire folds

*** RIVER *** [Kd 7c 3d 6s] [9s]

Dawilooky has 15 seconds left to act

Dawilooky bets $7.95

trendthrift has 15 seconds left to act

trendthrift raises to $21.90, and is all in

Dawilooky calls $13.95

*** SHOW DOWN ***

trendthrift shows [6d 6h] three of a kind, Sixes

Dawilooky shows [5s 8s] a straight, Nine high

Dawilooky wins the pot ($49.25) with a straight, Nine high

trendthrift adds $25

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $51.80 | Rake $2.55

Board: [Kd 7c 3d 6s 9s]

Seat 1: Texas_Crossfire folded on the Turn

Seat 2: trendthrift showed [6d 6h] and lost with three of a kind, Sixes

Seat 3: 47375793 folded on the Turn

Seat 4: robvfr (button) didn't bet (folded)

Seat 5: PetteyTheft8 (small blind) folded before the Flop

Seat 6: Mia81 is sitting out

Seat 7: Dawilooky (big blind) showed [5s 8s] and won ($49.25) with a straight, Nine high

Seat 8: trambon didn't bet (folded)

Seat 9: VolleyShoot didn't bet (folded)

But then there was this. When the two came on the turn I was sure he was going to catch the 4 on the river. Thankfully I managed to hold out this time against yet another nothing hand. Really loving his call of my all-in here:

Full Tilt Poker Game #6890607157: Table Ham (deep) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:45:37 ET - 2008/06/19

Seat 1: DonavanSolo ($14.65)

Seat 2: trendthrift ($30.20)

Seat 3: 47375793 ($71.25)

Seat 4: smurf_murder ($25), is sitting out

Seat 5: PetteyTheft8 ($80.90)

Seat 6: Mia81 ($25.35)

Seat 7: Dawilooky ($39.55)

Seat 8: usclaw06 ($24.75)

Seat 9: dagambler713 ($24.75)

Mia81 posts the small blind of $0.10

Dawilooky posts the big blind of $0.25

The button is in seat #5

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to trendthrift [Qc Jd]

usclaw06 folds

dagambler713 raises to $0.50

DonavanSolo folds

trendthrift calls $0.50

47375793 calls $0.50

PetteyTheft8 folds

Mia81 folds

Dawilooky calls $0.25

*** FLOP *** [Qd 9h 5c]

Dawilooky checks

dagambler713 has 15 seconds left to act

dagambler713 bets $0.85

trendthrift raises to $2

47375793 has 15 seconds left to act

47375793 calls $2

smurf_murder stands up

Dawilooky has 15 seconds left to act

Dawilooky raises to $9.95

dagambler713 folds

trendthrift raises to $29.70, and is all in

BlingJATIN adds $25

47375793 has 15 seconds left to act

47375793 folds

Dawilooky has 15 seconds left to act

Dawilooky calls $19.75

trendthrift shows [Qc Jd]

Dawilooky shows [3h Ac]

*** TURN *** [Qd 9h 5c] [2s]

*** RIVER *** [Qd 9h 5c 2s] [Th]

trendthrift shows a pair of Queens

Dawilooky shows Ace Queen high

trendthrift wins the pot ($61.35) with a pair of Queens

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $64.35 | Rake $3

Board: [Qd 9h 5c 2s Th]

Seat 1: DonavanSolo didn't bet (folded)

Seat 2: trendthrift showed [Qc Jd] and won ($61.35) with a pair of Queens

Seat 3: 47375793 folded on the Flop

Seat 4: smurf_murder is sitting out

Seat 5: PetteyTheft8 (button) didn't bet (folded)

Seat 6: Mia81 (small blind) folded before the Flop

Seat 7: Dawilooky (big blind) showed [3h Ac] and lost with Ace Queen high

Seat 8: usclaw06 didn't bet (folded)

Seat 9: dagambler713 folded on the Flop

[Poet]

Currently 9 tabling so no time to get HHs.

First time in as long as I can remember I've had no shocking beats for a whole hour or so and I'm up over $100. Then, in the space of 2 minutes, one flopped FH and one flopped set both lose to two outers, the first spiking on the turn after I raised flop with the second going all in with an overpair and hitting on the river. And I'm down nearly a buyin.

Welcome to my poker life the entire past month.

[Poet]

Played some more. Not so much bad beats as some incredible coolers. AK vs KK (he played 64/10) on AKx flop!!! and QQ vs AA all in preflop versus a guy playing 71/29 and pushing LOADS preflop.

Oh I wanna run well! Mind you, I made a genuine misclick once with TT calling off 30BBs preflop and hit a set vs QQ, so that was something nice for a change!

[rjpageuk]

I made a genuine misclick once with TT calling off 30BBs preflop and hit a set vs QQ, so that was something nice for a change!

I get it in almost always against a 30BB stack with TT. When I said before I hadnt noticed people shoving their stacks in with nothing that precludes any stack < 50BB.

On the tables I play at least it seems relatively common for any garbage to be shoved on short stack even by people with TAGish stats, and I dont think there are many if any professional short stackers at the limits I play.

[Rossco]

Just read those hands Billy from above, that guy you were playing with was ridiculous!

[Poet]

I get it in almost always against a 30BB stack with TT. When I said before I hadnt noticed people shoving their stacks in with nothing that precludes any stack < 50BB.

On the tables I play at least it seems relatively common for any garbage to be shoved on short stack even by people with TAGish stats, and I dont think there are many if any professional short stackers at the limits I play.

Oh I'd call off 40BBs quite happily with TT preflop, and potentially plenty more depending on the player. No, I called that off with only about 100BBs behind. I really didn't feel I was ahead after the reraise (it was the fourth time I'd reraised this guy preflop, and I think he was being incredibly patient to be fair to him), and so there's nothing good about my play there. But like I said, I'd take it!

[Poet]

This is how I lose my money:

GAME #1071364212: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50 2008-07-14 17:21:02

Table Kansas Feather

Seat 1: Pauletto777 ($61.27 in chips)

Seat 3: chiefi ($75.53 in chips)

Seat 5: ihateaceten ($41.40 in chips)

Seat 6: instacheckfold ($37.50 in chips)

Seat 8: calcet ($66.30 in chips)

Seat 10: xPoetx ($51.55 in chips) DEALER

Pauletto777: Post SB $0.25

chiefi: Post BB $0.50

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to xPoetx [CK HK]

ihateaceten: Fold

instacheckfold: Fold

calcet: Fold

xPoetx: Raise (NF) $1.75

Pauletto777: Call $1.50

chiefi: Call $1.25

*** FLOP *** [s2 D5 D4]

Pauletto777: Check

chiefi: Bet $6.50

xPoetx: Raise (NF) $17.00

Pauletto777: Fold

chiefi: Raise (NF) $73.78

xPoetx: Allin $32.80

*** TURN *** [s5]

*** RIVER *** [D3]

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $125.83 Rake $3.00

chiefi: Shows [HA C8]

chiefi: wins $125.83

And, as a result, 5 hands later:

GAME #1071369528: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50 2008-07-14 17:24:17

Table Kansas Feather

Seat 1: Pauletto777 ($59.52 in chips)

Seat 3: chiefi ($125.58 in chips)

Seat 5: ihateaceten ($36.40 in chips)

Seat 6: instacheckfold ($42.05 in chips) DEALER

Seat 8: calcet ($66.55 in chips)

Seat 10: xPoetx ($50.00 in chips)

calcet: Post SB $0.25

xPoetx: Post BB $0.50

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to xPoetx [CA DJ]

Pauletto777: Fold

chiefi: Call $0.50

ihateaceten: Fold

instacheckfold: Fold

calcet: Fold

xPoetx: Raise (NF) $3.00

chiefi: Call $2.50

*** FLOP *** [C10 H3 HJ]

xPoetx: Bet $6.00

chiefi: Raise (NF) $122.58

xPoetx: Allin $41.00

*** TURN *** [DK]

*** RIVER *** [s4]

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $172.83 Rake $3.00

chiefi: Shows [sJ S10]

chiefi: wins $172.83

Stupid cunting fish. Obviously.

[Rossco]

The second hand is fair enough I reckon. Can't really complain, he hit the flop better than you.

But first hand is ridiculous and what I really hate about poker when people catch cards like that against you when they have no right to!

[Poet]

Well I think I have the right to be slightly miffed, given what he's willing to put his stack in with. To dominate somoene then them hit like that on that board, given how he plays, given what just happened, I cannot help but lose everything there. It keeps happening to me; outplay all day, make fantastic calls, get punished. Then get a ridiculous cooler or another bad beat or seven on top.

Oh well!

[Rossco]

Thats why I've stopped playing online now, it's a farce sometimes the plays some people make.

[Rossco]

Friday night, £40 double chance tourney at casino.

I'm dealt AA, raise it to 6x BB before flop and get one call. Flop comes 10 6 2 and he checks. I bet the pot and get called. Turn comes 4. I still think I'm way ahead in this, and put the guy on high pocket pair so raise him all in, he quickly calls and turns over 8 9!

Everyone kinda looks at him in "what the fuck was that" way as he's usually a good player and I've seen him play before. River comes 7 and he makes the straight and doubles up, taking a huge chunk of my stack.

I was FURIOUS.

5 hands later, I get AA again, flopped a set and go all in, called again by someone with a lower stack who has KK. Turn/River comes KK and he wins it.

And for my last hand, JJ, hit it on the flop, go all in, get called by KK again by the same person, who hit it on the river to beat me again and knock me out.

It was the worst night of poker I've ever had. Nothing at all went my way, it was horrible.

[Darragh]

5 hands later, I get AA again, flopped a set and go all in, called again by someone with a lower stack who has KK. Turn/River comes KK and he wins it.

Everyone else can shut up now. That's a bad beat!

I had a ridiculous "bad beat" playing LOLmaha the other day. I flopped a 20-card wrap with and a flush draw with 79JQ on a KT8 flop and turned another flush draw, at which point all the money went in. He had top and bottom pair (ho ho!), and I had to hit a 6, 7, 9, Jack, Queen, Ace, Club or Diamond to win. River was an off-suit four.

[mayor_mike_haggar]

i'm suffering from what i'd like to think is a load of bad beats at the moment, but in reality i think rather sucks at the moment. trying to learn 6 max at the low stakes is not the easiest thing i've ever done. i might have to go back to sng grinding if my roll doesn't improve soon. that said both kk and aa have been big losers for me this week.