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Lave

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Hi guys,

I have a 49 Paladin with 287 in Blacksmithing and I'm trying to hit that elusive 300.

However, there doesn't ever seem to be any plans for sale - and any that are for my level are sitting around the 40g to 50g mark for the plans.

I specialised in Weaponsmithing, and was give the three basic plans but that seems tobe it.

No more plans. No specialising in one type of weapon.

Do you have to be a certain level to be able to specialise in one type of weapon?

I'm on the US Kirin Tor RP server which may explain why the plans costs soo much.

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Ah yes, the problem is Thorium Bars cost around 7gold for 20 - sometimes 9g on my server :)

Which makes making the helms rather expensive.

Not to mention the fact the helms sell for around 5g on my server making them slightly cost prohibitive considering my level and the fact I only have around 20g!!

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Blacksmithing is right up there with enchanting in my list of "most bastardly professions to skill up". It's ridiculous how much money you have to spend to skill this up, even with mining as the secondary profession. Stacks of copper bars are going for 1g a stack on draenor and when you need about 100 of them, it starts to get expensive real fast.

Currently, I'm stuck at mithril (5-7g per stack). Not too bothered about the thorium levels since a few late night thorium epl runs will net me ore and arcane crystals.

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My friend Neil (Fredthefro, a Paladan if you ever see him) has been trying to bring down the price of copper bars by flooding the market with cheaper ones after draining Elwynn Forest and Westfall of all the copper veins, but it only seems to have lasted for a week or so. Fucking broken economy. ^_^

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Blacksmithing is right up there with enchanting in my list of "most bastardly professions to skill up". It's ridiculous how much money you have to spend to skill this up, even with mining as the secondary profession. Stacks of copper bars are going for 1g a stack on draenor and when you need about 100 of them, it starts to get expensive real fast.

Currently, I'm stuck at mithril (5-7g per stack). Not too bothered about the thorium levels since a few late night thorium epl runs will net me ore and arcane crystals.

It's a cock of a profession and easily costs you far too much to level up.

I'm past the mithril stuff at the moment and need Thorium, Arcanite and well Dark Iron - albeit I have never seen Dark Iron anywhere - you use the scraps don't you??!?!

Dunno

All I know is that one dark iron bar costs 12g on my server and I need 20 to make a dark iron pulveriser - which sells for 40gold but would cost me 120gold to make ... stuff that!

They need to make more veins available otherwise it is just screwing people over.

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It's a cock of a profession and easily costs you far too much to level up.

I'm past the mithril stuff at the moment and need Thorium, Arcanite and well Dark Iron - albeit I have never seen Dark Iron anywhere - you use the scraps don't you??!?!

Dunno

All I know is that one dark iron bar costs 12g on my server and I need 20 to make a dark iron pulveriser - which sells for 40gold but would cost me 120gold to make ... stuff that!

They need to make more veins available otherwise it is just screwing people over.

You can mine DI Ore in Searing Gorge, Burning Steppes, sometimes in BRD and also in Molten Core.

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It's a cock of a profession and easily costs you far too much to level up.

I'm past the mithril stuff at the moment and need Thorium, Arcanite and well Dark Iron - albeit I have never seen Dark Iron anywhere - you use the scraps don't you??!?!

Dunno

All I know is that one dark iron bar costs 12g on my server and I need 20 to make a dark iron pulveriser - which sells for 40gold but would cost me 120gold to make ... stuff that!

They need to make more veins available otherwise it is just screwing people over.

Some things definitely aren't profitable to make. Forget about the Pulveriser, if you want a weapon just grab one in an instance, like BRD http://www.thottbot.com/?i=12387 http://www.thottbot.com/?i=8486 or even Maraudon - http://thottbot.com/?i=39657

The reason it's hard for you at the moment is because it's suppsed to be. Mine your own Thorium when you're the right level.

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So you are punished for levelling up in your profession too quickly?

I have mining at 288 at the moment.

I can mine my own Thorium but I am not really in the mood for spending the better part of 10+ hours grinding for occasional pieces of ore when there are a bunch of guys running around the same area mining it. It really should spawn back a little bit faster.

And I'm using this at the moment

http://thottbot.com/?i=8847

But I really want to be able to just get to 300 and then help my guild out by making them stuff - getting there and buying plans makes it cost impossible.

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You're punished for wasting time on Blacksmithing FULL STOP - it's a totally CRAP profession for anything other than making VERY VERY hard to make items - usually using mats you need a 40 man raid to gather...

I honestly think no-one should bother with it UNLESS they have the support of a guild - it's just pointless and impossible to make money from...

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Blacksmithing

The most exciting innovation in blacksmithing will be the ability for blacksmith players to make epic quality items that only they can wield. A master swordsmith will be able to forge a special sword for him(or her)self, and a suit of epic armor awaits the master armorsmith. The smith will be able to upgrade these special items, so they will always be a solid item for the smith to wear or wield no matter what stage of the game he or she is in. To allow everyone to take advantage of this, blacksmith specialists will be allowed to change their focus in The Burning Crusade.

Taken from WoW:TBC - Profession Update page

Click Here and scroll down to skill level 300+ and look at the items that require Fel Iron Bar's. Theyre *green* quality armor that looks quite nice considering.

Theres also upgradeable weapons like this one that are only available through Blacksmithing. Theres also armour as well.

Also a lot of the new weapons, armor and the like made with Blacksmithing in the expansion doesnt require you to get items only available in a raid, as a lot of people in the Beta have some of these weapons, and 25 man raids arent available yet (apparently).

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If you haven't already, get yourself gatherer, it's great. It marks on your map where you saw nodes, herbs and chests, it makes it easier to do a lap of an area when you can work out a route. I think everyone has their favourite routes anyway, but it's nice to see the nodes on the map.

I agree with stiff one, head to mara, for some xp, and when you hit 50, head to WP and start there. There are small thorium veins around, and when you can go to EP, there are large ones.

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Trouble with Dreamfoil is that it's used in EVERYTHING... it's not *just* Major Mana Potions. Every person of every class has a use for Dreamfoil which pushes the demand right up - only mana users need the Mana Potion.

So you are punished for levelling up in your profession too quickly?

I wouldn't say so, but with crafting professions, there's definite 'guidelines' - you know you're getting ahead of yourself when the stuff you make is too high level for you to actually use, which my little mage just found with her Dreamweave Circlet and Runecloth Belt. She shouldn't be able to make the belt, having never picked up a piece of Runecloth in her life, but of course she has some lvl 60 shaped support with that ^_^

Mining things like Thorium is hard because of the areas it's in, too.

But it'll all be worth it come TBC. There's no rush. Even a skill a day will see you through to 300, afterall. My mage is also an enchanter which, at 270/300 is turning into an absolute PIG - but if I keep making my runecloth belts etc and diss them, I'll level enchanting slowly but surely too. I spent about 30g the day I spam levelled it in Uldaman /crai

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I got tailoring from 0-300 this week. It cost about 50g I think to buy most of the cloth (although I got a lot of donations from the guild). Now I need to find some rare recipes and start making some money back.

Dissing items doesn't get you any points after level 50 does it?

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I've always said that the professions in WoW are very dissapointing. I can make more selling stacks of dreamfoil and icecap than I can selling majior mana pots ffs. All too often the mats cost more than the finished product.

Yeah they are a little. I'm currently the only Horde player on Ravenholt who seems to be making and selling Major Trolls Blood potion, I've never seen anyone else put them on AH. I can make a fair bit of money out of them too, but apart from them none of my other top potions either sell - Greater Nature Protection for example or work out particually cost effective to make - Major Health, Mongoose etc. I usually just sell the herbs now.

Leatherworking was even worse at 300 especially with the stupid idea of splitting it into three types.

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With any luck, I'm hoping that the item providing professions of tailoring, blacksmithing and leatherworking will actually prove to me that the choice of keeping my 300 tailoring skill and trying to level up the other 2 professions is actually a wise choice.

Most especially with the 3-way specialisation of tailoring into frost and shadow, fire and arcane and healing gubbins. The previous system of having tonnes of useless tailoring patterns containing only lots of +spirit and marginal stats of int/sta was really only benefitting.

Maybe finally they've gotten out of the mindset of:

"Hey, this item needs another stat value on it!"

"What about some +spirit?"

"Great idea! Every class needs lots of + spirit since it's really useful!"

^_^

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So you are punished for levelling up in your profession too quickly?

I have mining at 288 at the moment.

I can mine my own Thorium but I am not really in the mood for spending the better part of 10+ hours grinding for occasional pieces of ore when there are a bunch of guys running around the same area mining it. It really should spawn back a little bit faster.

And I'm using this at the moment

http://thottbot.com/?i=8847

But I really want to be able to just get to 300 and then help my guild out by making them stuff - getting there and buying plans makes it cost impossible.

What a bizarre post.

No you're not punished for levelling up your profession too quickly, the general idea is that you level to 300 around level 60. From then on you can keep your eyes open for rare plans, like the Lionheart Helm, Stronghold Gauntlets, Titanic Leggings etc, but even those aren't rare any more. Eventually after playing for a long time you'll have access to plans via reputation, but you aren't going to really get anywhere with any of that before the expansion hits.

Blacksmithing is pretty useless in the current game. Back when Breaksmith had pretty much the only Arcanite Reaper plans on the server, he made a bunch of money selling and crafting them. Also, way back when, people would actually want Enchanted Thorium Helms and the like - now they just run MC, AQ20 or ZG on their Alt and get much better equipment for free.

In TBC you'll be able to always have a weapon/armour piece that is on the same level as endgame equipment and is BOP. So, a nice Mace, Axe, Sword or Chest Piece depending on specialisation. There seems to be a lot more items to make too - useful stuff, especially so for people who can't regularly instance. Note that any Blacksmith can make any BOE, the specialisations will only affect what BOP plans you have - the same goes for leatherworking too.

Wanting to get hold of stuff more quickly than it's possible will result in much frustration and sadness in WoW. No one ever got exalted with the Timbermaws in a day.

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No one ever got exalted with the Timbermaws in a day.

Actually - we used to have this guy who was a grinding/rep MACHINE - and he (with help from various people along the way) did an 18+ hour binge to get Exalted with the Timbermaw.

He goes to get his Trinket and one of his helpers decides to kill one of the Timbermaw for a laugh.

So he has the trinket - but loses a BIG chunk of rep - and can't use it <_<:D

Cue 2+ more hours of grinding...

Tailoring (Mooncloth level) is also great - I spent about 45G getting my Alliance Priest to Mooncloth level - and I've sold about 150g in Mooncloth since (spending about 30g on the mats) - it's a money machine tbh...

I am looking forward to some professions being improved in TBC ofc. - it's just Blizzards track-record on Tradeskills is bollox (few tradeskills are useful before high levels) and so I'm not holding my breath much...

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Is there anywhere else to farm Felcloth other than the satyrs in Felwood? I've spent several hours in there and only got 7 pieces so far.

You're doing the ones in the far north-west right, as this is definitely the best place to grind it. If you there by yourself you should always have some relevant mobs to kill. All I can advise put a film on and try not to get ganked too much. <_<

It took me long enough, and as I said to you in guild chat I cheated and bought 50% of the cloth needed. Welcome to World of Grindcraft.

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I've been doing the ones in the south west most of the time. I did have a trip up north once but got less from them than the ones down south. I've spent almost all my money on levelling tailoring & buying my frostwolf epics. I can't afford to buy 20 pieces of felcloth for a little while yet. The elemental fire is also proving elusive, I got two pieces in about an hour of killing elementals in ungorro.

Edit: Sorry for dragging this away from blacksmithing and onto tailoring!

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