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We're selling something that no one's going to buy, it's not like people are watching going "I want a foldable wheelchair, I've been looking for one for months, I've got £200 in my back pocket, why not?"

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So happy Tre didn't get fired tonight

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Well tht was quite a shock, Simon did everything wrong really, but threw himself into the selling with such ridiculous enthusiasm that it saved him... this and the other week where he did lots of stuff on the trainers.

But why his producing wasn't bought up is a mysetery, he looked like I did the first time I went on xbox live.. like he wanted to say something, but was too busy being a bunny frozen in car headlights. Why did nobody also bring up the fact that he appeared to be subtley simulating how to masturbate using the trampolene as a clever prop ?

What I also enjoyed is Tre's complete inability not to talk back to the voice in his ear and ignore what's going on in the camera.

Fun fun fun, the interviews next week don't look as much fun, they just all get a bit arguementative don't they. "Expert" interviewers coming out saying "I didn't like him, he was a cock"

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Fun fun fun, the interviews next week don't look as much fun, they just all get a bit arguementative don't they. "Expert" interviewers coming out saying "I didn't like him, he was a cock"

I hope the interviews are more tough than last year's ones.

"Ooh, you've had a hard start in life, haven't you?"

"Yes."

"Thank you".

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Overall Simon is a stronger candidate than Naomi and at this late stage of the game he's going to be looking more at them overall than on a specific task.

He even said as much when he sent them out of the boardroom to discuss who should be fired.

It does make a mockery of the task though as you could screw up royally (Simon) and still have a chance.

I really don't know what Naomi did wrong.

Great show though. I always like the live TV ones. Simon's dodgy screwing will be shown on clip shows for a long time.

Has anyone heard of the channel though? When they said second biggest I couldn't even think of who they might be. I was hoping for Bid Up TV. Are they even still broadcasting?

And Katie's patronising view of the customer was horrible. She really should get her head out of her arse.

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He even said as much when he sent them out of the boardroom to discuss who should be fired.

It does make a mockery of the task though as you could screw up royally (Simon) and still have a chance.

I really don't know what Naomi did wrong.

Great show though. I always like the live TV ones. Simon's dodgy screwing will be shown on clip shows for a long time.

Has anyone heard of the channel though? When they said second biggest I couldn't even think of who they might be. I was hoping for Bid Up TV. Are they even still broadcasting?

And Katie's patronising view of the customer was horrible. She really should get her head out of her arse.

If it had been early in the series, Simon would have been gone. But it's at late stage.

I was really glad that Simon stayed, as my main complaint is that the Apprentice is usually too focused on just the one task, rather than candidates full ability demonstrated so far.

Katie expressed it poorly, but at least she considered the target market.

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I think Sir Alan's job at this point is to keep the interesting people in. Naomi was never going to win it, and she's a bit boring – hence she gets chucked out, despite Simon's comical ineptness at pretty much every aspect of the task.

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Well tht was quite a shock, Simon did everything wrong really, but threw himself into the selling with such ridiculous enthusiasm that it saved him... this and the other week where he did lots of stuff on the trainers.

I disagree. Simon looked like a rabbit caught in headlights and didn't exactly throw himself into it at all. He simply presented badly. And I mean badly. The moment he opened his mouth on TV, Sir Alan dismissed him. He thought Simon was terrible after seeing him present so quite why he decided to save him I don't know.

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Pfft. None of them are as clear cut a winner as the badger was.

Anyway interviews next. Paul got a roasting last year and was shown up for the arrogant prick he was. I think Tre will loose it, go postal and try and throttle one of the interviewers :lol:

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I disagree. Simon looked like a rabbit caught in headlights and didn't exactly throw himself into it at all. He simply presented badly. And I mean badly. The moment he opened his mouth on TV, Sir Alan dismissed him. He thought Simon was terrible after seeing him present so quite why he decided to save him I don't know.

And Tre was shite. Naomi was the only one who really worked in that team. Sir Alan even said so. To be the only member of a team who does well and still gets fired is hardly fair. She may as well not have bothered.

I was genuinely surprised when he fired her.

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And Tre was shite. Naomi was the only one who really worked in that team. Sir Alan even said so. To be the only member of a team who does well and still gets fired is hardly fair. She may as well not have bothered.

I was genuinely surprised when he fired her.

I wasn't too much. The Key issue in the task was product selection (selliing in this style wasn't important and never will be in SirA's job).

Simon's product selections, while poor, were better than Tre/Nia choices.

SirA didn't say she was the only who worked, he said she was the "least bad" at presenting.

You lot are all thinking with your dicks :lol:

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I wasn't too much. The Key issue in the task was product selection (selliing in this style wasn't important and never will be in SirA's job).

Simon's product selections, while poor, were better than Tre/Nia choices.

SirA didn't say she was the only who worked, he said she was the "least bad" at presenting.

You lot are all thinking with your dicks :lol:

I am so not thinking with my dick :(

I actually cannot stand Naomi and find her terminally boring. No way should she win but I would hate to go out like that.

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The thing is....Sir Alan was saying that Simon picked better products because they sold well and made up a big chunk of their takings. But could you not argue that was down to Naomi and Tre presenting them more competently and not making total asses of themselves, in spite of Simon's complete lack of guidance from the production room? And that the failure of the products Naomi and Tre picked to sell was also partly down to Simon presenting them like a nob?

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The thing is....Sir Alan was saying that Simon picked better products because they sold well and made up a big chunk of their takings. But could you not argue that was down to Naomi and Tre presenting them more competently and not making total asses of themselves, in spite of Simon's complete lack of guidance from the production room? And that the failure of the products Naomi and Tre picked to sell was also partly down to Simon presenting them like a nob?

You could have. But Tre/Nia didn't.

They didn't seem to defend/rationilise themselves very well at all (in the BR we saw).

N didn't do that in "You're Fired", continuing to slag of Simon, as opposed to defend herself.

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I wasn't too much. The Key issue in the task was product selection (selliing in this style wasn't important and never will be in SirA's job).

Simon's product selections, while poor, were better than Tre/Nia choices.

SirA didn't say she was the only who worked, he said she was the "least bad" at presenting.

You lot are all thinking with your dicks :lol:

Simon's selection was terminally poor and would only have every sold very few, cos there is clearly a limited market for it. Tre and Naomi's choices could've been better, but Simon was rubbish at presenting them, or they would've sold a lot more of them. If Tre and Naomi's choices were worse, then, as project leader, why didn't Simon simply make them pick better choices? He has to be the one to make it work, so if he knew better, he would've picked better choices. The fact that he let them keep those choices, then hung them out to dry when they were selling his choice speaks volumes.

The thing is....Sir Alan was saying that Simon picked better products because they sold well and made up a big chunk of their takings. But could you not argue that was down to Naomi and Tre presenting them more competently and not making total asses of themselves, in spite of Simon's complete lack of guidance from the production room? And that the failure of the products Naomi and Tre picked to sell was also partly down to Simon presenting them like a nob?

Exactly. Sir Alan did point that out, completely forgetting that it was Tre and Naomi who sold it, therefore it was them who got a big chunk of their takings.

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It's quite hard to present a product that you've no fucking idea about, hence it was poor product selection by Naomi. Only she knew what it was and yet it was left up to someone without a clue to present it. Not really Simon's fault. Because it's a specialist product he couldn't have had a 10-minute demo and be able to sell it, it's something that requires time that they didn't have. The wheelchair wasn't the best product but they were awful at selling it. So many people can potentially have use of one: carers, people with sports injuries, etc. - all these people that weren't mentioned. They just sat in it and said "well, it has a pouch!". Who gives a shit if it has a pouch? What about the features that make you want to buy it over an NHS wheelchair? Can't you provide some comparisons, have some common fucking sense? At the very least Simon gave it a go with both his products. Yes the trampolining was funny but that's all he really could do with it - demo it. He didn't sit around being a moaning bastard like Tre or looking like he only had two braincells to knock together like Naomi. They were all absolutely dreadful, what saved Simon was the fact he isn't consistently rubbish.

Anyone else think this year's selection sucks? I wouldn't employ any of them, they're all crap. Last year there were several very strong candidates.

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Niamo and Tre's selection:

A Trampoline - How was a man in a suit meant to sell that?

Decoupage - Too specialist/niche.

AND niether of them met the "high end" product description from the Team leader

Simon's were niche market, but they were high end niche. They made alot of money on one sale.

The final lot this year seem poor, and they're seemed to be so promising at the start...

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The decoupage was such a bizarre choice. What a load of rubbish.

Sugar did say this was more about picking products that would sell and Naomi picked badly. She just presented Simon's products quite well.

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However, as project leader, Simon didn't ask for any directions on selling both the trampoline or the Decoupage, nor did he make them change their choices. He then proceeded to present appalingly badly and gave them no support in the control room. Therefore, he was the worst of the lot and should've gone for having no control over his team, his own selling and having no leadership.

Anyone else think this year's selection sucks? I wouldn't employ any of them, they're all crap. Last year there were several very strong candidates.

Yep, agree. I wouldn't be surprised if Sir Alan either changed the selection process quite drastically for the next series, or opted out all together.

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However, as project leader, Simon didn't ask for any directions on selling both the trampoline or the Decoupage, nor did he make them change their choices. He then proceeded to present appalingly badly and gave them no support in the control room. Therefore, he was the worst of the lot and should've gone for having no control over his team, his own selling and having no leadership.

They couldn't change the products (after they'd all met up in the evening).

He didn't really not have control as in they didn't listen. He's sold well before (as, being fair, have the other two). Neither had N/Tre when they were leaders.

If we were lookingly solely at this task? He probably should have gone. Over the last 10 weeks, probably not.

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Simon's presenting was fine, he did the best he could with poor tools. Tre and Naomi's presenting lacked any common sense whatsoever.

You sure? Even Sir Alan was slating him from the start. Simon was simply wooden and got worse as it went along.

If we were lookingly solely at this task? He probably should have gone. Over the last 10 weeks, probably not.

Well this is the thing. If that is so (and it looked like it) then there would've been nothing Naomi could've done, which is pretty poor IMO.

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He's not a natural presenter and didn't have any choice about presenting. Some people aren't photogenic and some people aren't good at camera. It's a completely different ball game to selling. He gave it his all, hence to me it was fine.

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You sure? Even Sir Alan was slating him from the start. Simon was simply wooden and got worse as it went along.

Well this is the thing. If that is so (and it looked like it) then there would've been nothing Naomi could've done, which is pretty poor IMO.

She could have defended herself a bit as opposed to just slatting Simon.

Didn't anyone else think SirA was testing Tre? When he clearly stated I don't want interuptions and then moved onto his "closing" on Tre. He got quite hard hitting there, and I think, was trying to see if Tre would rise to the bait. If Tre said something there he'd be fired.

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He's not a natural presenter and didn't have any choice about presenting. Some people aren't photogenic and some people aren't good at camera. It's a completely different ball game to selling. He gave it his all, hence to me it was fine.

Precisely the reason why he shouldn't have chosen himself for the solo slot (Sir Alan pointed this out to him as well), because someone else would've been much better on their own (any of the other two, obviously). Another bad decision for Simon which should've got him fired.

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Precisely the reason why he shouldn't have chosen himself for the solo slot (Sir Alan pointed this out to him as well), because someone else would've been much better on their own (any of the other two, obviously). Another bad decision for Simon which should've got him fired.

I agreed with him though.

I think that the presenters (in training) went N (by far), Simon, Tre (best to worse).

I'd have put the best/worst together to try and even it out.

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I think Sir Alan's job at this point is to keep the interesting people in. Naomi was never going to win it, and she's a bit boring – hence she gets chucked out, despite Simon's comical ineptness at pretty much every aspect of the task.

Exactly. Surely no-one here suspects that the person 'employed' is actually going to be doing anything of consequence for Sir Alan? The '£100k job' is just a desk and a chair, and possibly part-covered by the BBC expense wise. That's why it doesn't matter that Sir Alan's choices are entirely arbitary, they don't affect his business one bit. It's all about the spectacle and his own self-promotion from day one.

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