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exwhyzed

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There is no precedent for a first Xi player buying out his contract is there? I highly doubt it would ever happen, articles about it are always trotted out by the press when rumours surrounding big name players arise. If Rooney did leave for £5million that would not be the end of it.

Let's be honest here though;

Constantly out performed by Ronaldo

Regular injury problems

Shit run of form last 8 months

Likes to drink and smoke, he won't have a long career.

If he goes and we get a replacement this is no bigger than Ruud, Keane, Beckham or Ronaldo.

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aidey6

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Rooney wouldn't pay the 5 mill to see out his contract, the other club would.

I'd say that's a very real possibility.

Having seen the way United unsettled Berbatov, practically making him go on strike at Spurs, I'm glad Rooney's doing them over. You bloody deserve it :D

Quite a few clubs have come out in the past, City with Lescott. Barcelona with Mascherano n Fabergas... Heck Spurs tried it with Scott Parker. No club is a saint in this regard, what comes around goes around for all of them really...

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PDogg

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Let's face it - every club wants the best players and manager they can get, and don't give a shit how much they shit on other clubs to get them. Unless you're at the very top or very bottom of the pile, it's swings and roundabouts. Sure there's Berbatov for Spurs. There's also Bagpuss.

Yeah, we're hardly innocent ourselves but it's nice to see Utd in the shit because they normally act as if this could never happen to them!

I can't see him going anywhere for anything other than money, which means City!

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There is no precedent for a first Xi player buying out his contract is there? I highly doubt it would ever happen, articles about it are always trotted out by the press when rumours surrounding big name players arise. If Rooney did leave for £5million that would not be the end of it.

Let's be honest here though;

Constantly out performed by Ronaldo

Regular injury problems

Shit run of form last 8 months

Likes to drink and smoke, he won't have a long career.

If he goes and we get a replacement this is no bigger than Ruud, Keane, Beckham or Ronaldo.

Jonas bought his out at Mallorca before Newcastle signed him, after 3 seasons and 102 games played for them.

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If Rooney feels he needs £250k a week and he can get it elsewhere that's his prerogative. Sure he may be being greedy but we all know football has been this way for a long time.

As others have said, he had no qualms ditching Everton and I don't think he'd have any qualms going to City. If he does go, it had better work out for him in football terms as otherwise I don't think he'll be such a marketable commodity. United have given him a world stage but even more than that they've protected him and guided him so well that people have really bought into this image of the hard working street footballer of old combined with the skill and pace required for the modern game. Sure the image has recently been tarnished but I think this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back in that regard and he'll be considered in the same light as most other big name footballers: football mercenaries with out of control egos out to make as much money as possible. The truth is he was never anything other than that.

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I'm gutted. Absolutely gutted. I don't think we'll see Rooney wear a united shirt again. I honestly thought he would spend the rest of his career here, turning into a midfield genius like Scholes.

For Rooney's single greatest moment in a Manchester United shirt click the link in my sig. So long Shrek. :(

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Liamness

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While United have the debt, we can't offer the biggest wages in football. Without being able to do that, we can't keep the best players. We have no divine right to their signature, we just need to pay them as much or more than anyone else can. It's that simple. As others have said, United were the financial bullies for a long time, and it could not be any clearer that now things are different. The departure of Ronaldo, Tevez and (almost certainly) Rooney with little attempt to break the bank, either to keep or replace them, is a little difficult to take when you consider the ticket prices. Hopefully it'll go down next season, they'll struggle to sell them all otherwise I should think.

He's cup-tied, which makes City a likely destination as they're the only ones that can pay his wages, and aren't in the CL. It will be absolutely crazy, but hey that's football these days.

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Liamness

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He's wanted to go since August. We're not turning on him (well at least some of us aren't), but it's a lost cause if ever I've seen one. Obviously if he changes his mind and says he'll stay, great, but the ball is in his court.

I'm gutted. Absolutely gutted. I don't think we'll see Rooney wear a united shirt again. I honestly thought he would spend the rest of his career here, turning into a midfield genius like Scholes.

Yeah, I think he'll play deeper and deeper as he ages, like Scholes has. Shame it won't happen for us.

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While United have the debt, we can't offer the biggest wages in football.

We never have, we've always relied on the club, manager and the ability to win things as the main reason for (marquee) players to join and stay with us.

I'm a bit shocked to be honest but his forms been so bad the last few months what sense does it make to keep him? It will be interesting to hear why he wants to leave though and if he does want to leave then so be it, the club always has been and always will be bigger than one player and as Majora pointed out we haven't exactly struggled to score goals without him so far this season.

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Liamness

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We never have, we've always relied on the club, manager and the ability to win things as the main reason for (marquee) players to join and stay with us.

Tevez and Ronaldo would have been better off, in terms of actually winning trophies, if they stayed at United. Even if Rooney goes to Chelsea, it will be something of a sideways move. Obviously our club's reputation is a massive draw, but I think we need that along with the ability to pay massive wages and fees, in order to bring in and keep top talent. Loyalty can be bought, within reason.

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Tevez, Ronaldo would have been better off, in terms of actually winning trophies, if they stayed at United. Even if Rooney goes to Chelsea, it will be something of a sideways move. Obviously our club's reputation is a massive draw, but I think we need that along with the ability to pay massive wages and fees, in order to bring in and keep top talent. Loyalty can be bought, within reason.

Bit of a strange comment regarding Ronaldo, yeah i'm sure he's really gutted about missing out on the League Cup last season, and being managed by Mourinho, playing with Kaka, Ozil, Higuain this season he's clearly got no chance of a trophy at Real...

Regardless he'd obviously pretty much done what he wanted in England and wanted to move to Real. And Tevez you never really owned, you had him on loan and Fergie didn't seem that interested in him.

Also moving on, with Rooney gone and surely Fergie going sooner rather than later, also the lack of money with the new owners, means Man Utd don't look like the force they once were.

But we'll have to see why he wants to move and where he does move before we can really judge him.

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Also moving on, with Rooney gone and surely Fergie going sooner rather than later, also the lack of money with the new owners, means Man Utd don't look like the force they once were.

And Scholes and Giggs going soon :(

Scholes has looked like a MASTER of the game this season. His pass completion rate must be near enough 100%.

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So he's wanted to leave before the start of the season and everyone at the club knew it? Why wasn't a replacement bought at the time or, at least, enquiries made about a possible replacement with the obvious inevitability this story would come out? We'll sell and nobody fit to be called a replacement will be bought, mark my words.

One thing I'm massively intrigued about is why he wants to leave. Not that I believe a word the comes out of Fergie's mouth any more but he's reiterated they haven't fallen out and only at the end of last season he was saying he wanted to be at United for life. Do you think it was a decision based on the fact he knew the prostitute stories were on their way again?

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If you look at the facts (in so much as Ferguson and Rooney's form suggest they are facts) we have a very happy footballer playing the club season of his life and wanting to stay at the club for life, suddenly wanting to leave his club, playing incredibly badly at the world cup, and then playing incredibly badly for his club.

If the problem was to do with Manchester United and/or Ferguson, it would explain the club form but not the world cup. If anything you would want to be a beacon of total win at the world cup so you could attract buyers. It's a giant advert.

This makes me think that Rooney could be anywhere, any club, and want to leave, and that the problem is primarily personal. Essentially, he needs to run away from his current life for personal reasons, and the need is pressing because the personal problems are making him a woeful player on the pitch.

I'd suggest his marriage is in total turmoil, he has any number of classic footballer addictions (gambling/whores) and like so many normal people, he wants to start afresh in a new country away from the demons.

The man city stuff is just classic tabloids taking an essential truth (Rooney wants to leave) and making it as lurid as possible (and go to their biggest rivals) - probably stoked by agents wanting Man City wages being bandied about to raise bids.

I'd expect to see Rooney at Real Madrid by February. Ronaldo probably had a lot to do with convincing him to take the plunge.

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Yep. I'll go with all that. It's fucked up though whichever way it finally comes out.

Seriously, what are United going to do now?

All I can hope is that Fergie actually knows these reasons and is, yet again, protecting his player until he wants to spill the beans himself and that he will leave for Real but in a deal that sees some of their better players coming our way.

I'm sure all will be revealed in the next few weeks, but I'm seriously hoping Fergie's still got one last fight in him to drag the club back to the top before bowing out. Surely this is the perfect situation to end an unbelievable managerial career on.

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Liamness

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Bit of a strange comment regarding Ronaldo, yeah i'm sure he's really gutted about missing out on the League Cup last season, and being managed by Mourinho, playing with Kaka, Ozil, Higuain this season he's clearly got no chance of a trophy at Real...

Barcelona were and are too good to compete with domestically. As for the CL, they haven't reached the semis since 2003. The Mourinho factor is the unknown though, you're right, and he may yet make them into a team. However, based on their record and ours at the time he left, he can't have joined them out of a desire for footballing success. I'm sure we could've kept him here for a bit longer, maybe not forever, by throwing money at the problem. At least we could've bought a decent replacement.

And Tevez you never really owned, you had him on loan and Fergie didn't seem that interested in him.

The deal was on the table for two years, if money had been no object (as it seemingly was when the terms were originally agreed) then signing a full contract would've been a formality. The result is that we dicked about, Tevez felt unwanted and left. The central issue was the lack of cash.

So he's wanted to leave before the start of the season and everyone at the club knew it? Why wasn't a replacement bought at the time or, at least, enquiries made about a possible replacement with the obvious inevitability this story would come out?

Why? No money. A recurring theme.

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Tevez wasn't wanted by United, simply because he's not the kind of player who could play on rotation, his mindset means that he needed to play Every week or his form would dip. Because of this he never consistently showed the form he has shown for City recently.

That and they wanted a ridiculous amount for him, how much did City pay for Tevez? 40 odd Million?

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Ive seen lots of Utd fans on boards today saying things like "Good luck to him" etc etc. Mayve Im being churlish but I dont share that view at all. Ive been shouted at all day by the wife for calling him a fat gippo scouser. She has pointed out that I wasn't this mad when Ronaldo or Tevez left (well I was quite mad at Tevez, because of his destination). But it strikes me that there are two types of player leaving situations- the Ronaldos- who rightly or wrongly, leave to join the club they dreamed of as a boy, and then theres the Ashley Cole effect- greedy little no-marks who think they're the next coming of Christ. And Rooney is in this category.

The only parallel that comes to mind if he moves from us to City is Figo when he did a bunk from Barca and pitched up at Real, and didnt they (the Barca fans) throw a pigs head at him?

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