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Couple that with the incredible creativity of the central midfield, a cripple replaced by a lad that was frankly embarrassing and it really was no surprise just how shit yesterday was. Heard the team on the radio; first thing I said was Hargreaves wouldn't make it to half time followed by that team will create nothing.

But, yeah, just say everybody wasn't injured or ill. Just who exactly would have made a difference in the middle anyway? Gibson, Carrick, Anderson? Exactly. It really all is down to relying on Scholes. As brilliant as he is (he's the best player around in my eyes) it's a tad optimistic to expect him to replicate his September form all season at his age.

What I don't get is you get a lad in in Bebe and play him, yet loan out somebody like Cleverley whose miles ahead in his development and might have made a difference. All done at a time when everybody bar Scholes is playing shit.

I agree that two upfront would have probably been better but quite frankly anyone other than O'Shea would have improved the midfield. Carrick's played well the last few games and as inconsistent as Anderson can be he is still better than O'Shea. Apparently Scholes was also one yellow from suspension which may also have been why he was left out.

I think it's easy to say that Cleverley should have stayed in hindsight (especially seeing as he isn't even playing at Wigan) but you couldn't predict having you're three first choice wingers out injured at the same time. There is no way the intention was to throw Bebe in at the deep end as has been the case recently, if anything we'd have been better of keeping Welbeck, he's playing well on the left for Sunderland.

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The selection wasn't great, but I think it's pretty much been put to bed now; it was forced by circumstance. We got away with it. Either team could've won yesterday, so it's not unfair or underserved that we won, it's just football. We kept pushing till the end, and we got our reward.

Thing is if their Fletcher didn't blast over when free with like 10 minutes to go then they would have been 2-1 up. That Vidic deflection beat the keeper and could easily have bounced in the post and not out like it did. I can say we would have lost, you can say we would have scored and drew/ won. Nobody knows what could have happened, like you say it's football.

But I'm not talking about details like that. Would my Rafa rant have been more appropriate had they scored and we lost? Surely the bigger picture isn't the result it's the performances, the selection, the subs, the squad, the tactics, the rotation and managers inability/ unwillingness to buy.

Wolves definitely fucked up in the final 10 minutes post that Fletcher chance, defended too deep and kept giving the ball back and inviting pressure. In that sense we got the reward. Just a shame we didn't show the urgency prior to the final 10 minutes. Or was the slight increase in quality all down to Scholes? I think it was, and I don't think any 2 of Carrick, Anderson or Gibson would have made a blind bit of difference. I've seen that combo get outplayed by Cattermole on several occasions FFS.

It's easy to pick on O'Shea and fair enough, but he isn't doing any worse than those three and that guy is a utility full back and not an expensive/ specialist central midfielder.

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O'Shea's passing is poor, at FB it isn't so evident but in central midfield we'd have been far better off with Carrick in there especially as he does seem to be coming into a bit of form. I disagree that Carrick/Anderson/Gibson wouldn't have made any difference but there we go.

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I think it's easy to say that Cleverley should have stayed in hindsight (especially seeing as he isn't even playing at Wigan) but you couldn't predict having you're three first choice wingers out injured at the same time. There is no way the intention was to throw Bebe in at the deep end as has been the case recently, if anything we'd have been better of keeping Welbeck, he's playing well on the left for Sunderland.

Was it that big a leap of faith to suggest Cleverley could and should be in? We all said it at the start of the season that he should stay and be a part of the squad.

Hindsight? Na, I don't buy that, I think there was ample room to play Cleverley. I don't think Anderson has ever played well nor do I think he will for us, though I accept that's opinion. Factually he was injured and involved in a crash so that limited his appearances initially.

Carrick has been awful for ages, probably since Barca in the final. In fairness he did well at centre back last year. I forget, was it last season or this the manager said he was a slow starter hence why he wasn't selected? either way that's a big doubt about his place.

Gibson, dude is a tank. Get him in range, allow him time to line up and boom. His manoeuvrability though :/ Thing is I don't think that's enough to warrant a place at Utd and I don't think he's ever shown anything like the adaptability, pace or vision.

Which leaves Scholes and Giggs (though he's largely been used as a winger), who like I keep saying can't be expected to play so much. So yeah, I don't think it's revisionism to suggest Cleverley should have had a shout at the start of the season.

Regarding Wigan he's been injured, hasn't he? When he has played he's done well I thought, though in honesty I'm going of MotD and paper reports.

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O'Shea's passing is poor, at FB it isn't so evident but in central midfield we'd have been far better off with Carrick in there especially as he does seem to be coming into a bit of form. I disagree that Carrick/Anderson/Gibson wouldn't have made any difference but there we go.

I dunno. I like Carrick and at his best he's neat, links the defence and midfield well, reads the game, controls the tempo and passes well. However I think it's only occasionally he plays the defence splitting ball, and it's definitely been a while since consistently doing that. He's never scored enough though.

Passing was definitely awful yesterday, and he would have improved that. I thought the bigger issue was the lack of magic and vision and I don't think Michael would have provided either aspect. Which isn't an issue, his qualities are enough when you've got Rooney and Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs and Tevez like when he joined.

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I would have liked Cleverley to stay and get games as well but if we had even one or two less injuries he wouldn't be playing. Ferguson has said Cleverly will probably be called back in January and although he has missed a few games through injury at Wigan I don't think he's been given many minutes when fit. Would be nice to see Ekreim get some minutes at some point as he really does like like a player with vision and the passing ability to match it.

I agree with you on Gibson, surprised he didn't leave in the summer and i'll be even more surprised if he's still here by the end of next summer. I half hoped Carick would leave in the summer because as you say he's been gash for the best part of 2 years but he has looked good the last couple of games so who knows. I really want Anderson to do well and I still think he could make it but he doesn't look like he's developing as much as he should be.

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He's done well at reserve level and apparently is a good friend of Roy Keane so who knows, maybe a Keane/Solskjaer management team when Ferguson retires! I did hear rumours of Neville being made the new coach and if it keeps him away from the 1st team i'm all for it.

Slightly concerned about the game tomorrow as we really are struggling for fitness although I suspect it will still be a strong line up. There hasn't really been any mention of Giggs which will hopefully mean he'll play - he's ruined Richards nearly every time he's played against him. Would be great if Nani was fit too.

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Against City, I think we have to line up as such;

              Berba

   Park                 Nani

           Anderson

       Fletch  Carrick

Evra                    Rafael

         Vida   Rio

               VDS

Correct, but Scholes instead of Anderson. Virus, what virus? With that XI, we have a very good shout in this match. I'm concerned about how much we're relying on Scholes, if he has to play 40 games this season, then it's all the more likely to be his last. Still, we're unlikely to have much of a shout at silverware unless we use him when we can, so I guess it's a balancing act. Dropping Scholes would've meant bringing O'Shea or Gibson (judging by the bench Anderson didn't figure), which could have been disastrous.

I checked and Cleverley is starting for Wigan against Liverpool, so I'll certainly watch that on MOTD.

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Looks like City will play this one the same as against Chelsea and keep it tight. If we can get Scholes on the ball in their half and Nani and Park cutting inside I fancy it a lot more than before I knew the line-up.

Good to see Cleverly starting as you say although he's replacing a defender according to BBC live text so not sure where is he playing!

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Feeling a little more confident now I've seen the team (only a little bit mind), Hopefully Carrick can sit infront of the back 4 and give Scholes the chance to play a bit higher up, its a shame Giggs has missed his first derby in 19 years, amazing record. Also looks like Cleverly will be starting on the right wing for Wigan.

It's a weak bench Amos, Brown, Smalling, Hernandez, O'Shea, Obertan and Gibson.

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No. I think it was Smalling, O'Shea, Gibson, Obertan, Macheda, Chicarito... something like that. I'd have to actually go back onto the bbc site to check though, and you can do that yourself.

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Or I could just look up. Amazing stat about Giggs. Yeah the bench looks pretty weak, I think Gibson will have to come on at some point for Scholes because it'll be such a high-tempo game. Chico on late if we still need a goal, apart from that no other changes should be necessary, hopefully.

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Yeah, Giggs would've been instrumental in finding space, and working the ball through.

Yeah it was encouraging. City never really looked like scoring (Rio and Vida brushed off everything City gave them), apart from Tevez's excellent free kick. Their counters were pretty awful, and their approach play easily countered. I don't think they were really interested in winning towards the end, so they didn't leave any gaps for us to expose. With that in mind, a bore draw is acceptable. We were the better side, no doubt, but maybe not so much better that we deserved the three points. Could've won it, might've had a better chance if we'd stuck on Berba and Chico together, but I guess we'll never know.

Hope Evra's okay. The first knock he took looked nasty.

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Carrick was fantastic tonight, especially in the second half. His passing was tidy and efficient, helping keep possession in a very compact midfield. The way City lined up, their main threat was always going to be on the counter, so this role was of particular significance in the game. He also made some great interceptions, from which he intelligently moved the ball forward onto the counter (rather than brazenly clearing it). The best midfielder on the pitch, and yet predictably Sky spent more time talking about Scholes. Goes to show how much the simple qualities of initial control, ball retention and basic distribution are underappreciated in the English game.

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Well we played decent enough and there were some pretty decent performances, but as I said a few weeks ago and somebody else mentioned more recently I just feel we're too one dimensional these days. We're lacking that creative spark, someone (or even better, a few players) that could turn the game around.

I'm hoping Rooney comes back ready to step up and that we bring in some decent players next season, because as it stands we're just too workmanlike to make an exciting spectacle.

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Is nobody else watching this then? All I can say it's another toothless performance from us with no urgency or sense that they want to create some goals. Villa definitely seem to want it more.

From this first half performance it's got draw written all over it, at best.

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