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NumberSix

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I'm not sure any other club will give you £6.8 million for Heinze that Liverpool would have. The difference with Gerrard is that's no secret that he has no love for Man Utd.

As I said before from a footballing perspective I don't particulary want Heinze at Anfield but I still maintain it would have been a good deal financially for Utd.

I'd agree with you if it wasn't United & Liverpool. The deal might make sense on paper, but there's more to it than that: a couple of million quid isn't enough to justify trading to your bitterest rivals for, particularly when there are other clubs waiting in the wings.

Re the two clubs not trading with one another: I love this about football: yes it's a business, but there's more to it than that.

Oh right. Well then that rather begs the question of where are their bids if they're so keen on paying that much for him?

Supposed to be going to Real for 12million Euros.

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V3zna

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This is taken from the Liverpool Echo so there's obviously a bias involved but there are some interesting bits that I've highlighted.

Rafa Benitez blasts Premier League

Aug 22 2007 EXCLUSIVE by Chris Bascombe, Liverpool Echo

RAFA BENITEZ today accused the Premier League of unfair treatment which threatens to wreck any chance of a Liverpool title challenge.

A furious Reds boss says it’s clear decisions are being taken which favour the Reds’ rivals, with yesterday’s dismissal of Gabriel Heinze’s bid to join Liverpool the latest setback.

In a blistering attack, Benitez said today: “I would like to ask the Premier League a number of questions. How can a player with a signed agreement be treated like this?

“He has a document which is clear, but the Premier League prefers to believe the word of someone else who made a mistake. I know there were accusations made against Liverpool in the hearing which were unbelievable. How can this be allowed?

“Then I would like to ask the Premier League why is it that Liverpool always plays the most fixtures, away from home in an early kick-off, following an international break? We had more than the top clubs last season and we have four already to prepare for this season.

“Then I want to ask the Premier League why it was so so difficult for Liverpool to sign Javier Mascherano, when we had to wait a long time for the paperwork, but it was so easy for Carlos Tevez to join Manchester United?

“It’s going to be very difficult for us to win the Premier League because the other teams are so strong, but I want our supporters to know that despite the disadvantages we have, we will fight all the way.

“We will fight to cope with our more difficult kick-off times and all the other decisions which are going against us.”

Benitez is pondering his contingency plan on Heinze, while recognising the courage the player has shown in a bid to join Liverpool. Heinze is ready to risk being stuck in limbo for a year to fight on for his move to Liverpool.

His appeal against the decision denying his switch to Anfield won’t be heard until September - after the transfer deadline.

But if the Argentine is successful in a fresh hearing, there is a provision for a deal to proceed outside the transfer window.

Should his appeal fail, however, he’ll be stuck in United’s reserves for the season, until he can buy himself out of the club next summer.

The 29-year-old was distraught following yesterday’s verdict, but his appeal will be heard by a new committee. Yesterday, a two man panel consisting of Premier League Chairman Sir David Richards (ex-Sheffield Wednesday) and legal advisor Peter McCormick (ex-Leeds) rejected the Manchester United defender’s claim he had permission to join any club for £6.8m.

They agreed with the submissions of United chief executive David Gill and manager Sir Alex Ferguson, who argued it was made clear from the outset the agreement referred only to a foreign transfer.

It is being suggested Gill also made the extraordinary claim that Liverpool asked Crystal Palace to sign Heinze on their behalf, before selling him on to the Reds. The fact the exit fee was valued in euros rather than pounds was used as a key argument.

An appeal panel will consist of three, including a PFA representative and a high ranking member of the legal profession.

Heinze remains optimistic an appeal will be accepted and is in no mood to give up on his hopes of moving to Liverpool.

His solicitor, Richard Green, said today: “We are extremely disappointed with the result and we will be appealing.”

There is no means of appeal to the Premier League after the next hearing.

United are now hoping to offload Heinze to another club, and are prepared to accept much less than £6.8m.

They also know Heinze will be in a position to force his move to Liverpool within 12 months.

The difficulty for Liverpool boss Benitez is he’s keen for a defensive reinforcement before the end of this month, and now knows he can’t rely on the Heinze verdict going the player’s way.

As Utd fans you are rightfully going to ignore Benitez's attempt at starting a siege mentality at Anfield but it sounds as if Heinze will stay at Old Trafford for a year until he can buy his contract out. He'll take some shit, even in reserve games, if he steps onto a field again in a Man Utd shirt. The part about Utd accepting a reduced fee from abroad is common knowledge to be fair.

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Gabzy

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He'll take some shit, even in reserve games, if he steps onto a field again in a Man Utd shirt.

Definitely..the turncoat cunt.

Where's all this love for liverpool coming from suddenly? It's like he suddenly woke up one morning and thought "shit, I REALLY want to be there!"

:)

If only he'd show this much appetite to fight for his place.

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V3zna

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Where's all this love for liverpool coming from suddenly? It's like he suddenly woke up one morning and thought "shit, I REALLY want to be there!"

:lol:

I doubt we would be able to offer him a vastly superior contract to what he's on at Utd right now. As you said I still think it's due to the Argentinian contingent and Spanish speakers at Anfield.

Still, poor old Scousers, always treated badly.

:) x 100

Constructive posting as usual.

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V3zna

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I take it the fact Mascherano played for 3 clubs and was given special dispensation was Liverpool being treated badly, yeah?

That's a fair point and why didn't you say that instead of -

Still, poor old Scousers, always treated badly.

Statements like that are made to try and antagonise people. :)

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That's a fair point and why didn't you say that

In honesty I thought things like the Mascherano deal, getting in the CL without qualifying and Gerrard punching somebody in the face (though the guy hit deserved it 100%) with no action taken happened so recently that they'd be the first things people thought of, and thus no need to type them. Especially in a Utd thread.

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"I want to ask the Premier League why it was so difficult for Liverpool to sign Javier Mascherano, when we had to wait a long time for the paperwork, but it was so easy for Carlos Tevez to join Manchester United?"

Easy? It was drawn out for weeks, went to a tribunal and ended with his owner buying him out of his contract. Also, has Benitez never heard of precedence? Of course it's going to be easier second time around. Twat.

And you can bet your bottom dollar there'll be a clause in the Heinze to Madrid deal banning them from selling him to Liverpool.

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V3zna

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And you can bet your bottom dollar there'll be a clause in the Heinze to Madrid deal banning them from selling him to Liverpool.

After the McManaman and Owen moves I doubt there's much love between Real Madrid and Liverpool FC.

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We've lacked that RVN type player. Even last season with all its goals we needed one. Case in point: FA Cup Final. Klaas is supposed to be the new RVN, so why on earth not eh?

I can't figure out why he's still at Ajax. I thought someone would have came in for him by now.

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There has been persistant rumours with Man Utd of course, but also Barca, Real and AC among others. I can't think why hes not somewhere else by now either.

Regaurding Martins; good player. If hes anything like his Pro Evo 6 stats then.... well.... the best player..... ever... :lol:

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