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I think the first tackle was a foul.

Edit: and yellow.

Really, why? He got the ball and only went in as high as the Spurs player. It was a 50/50 for me, which he won.

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Yeah, I think the first tackle was a foul too. Yellow card maybe in todays game even though he did get the ball in fairness. The second one was a joke of a decision though and I've no idea why he booked him.

The problem I have with Mike Dean is he seems to come across really badly whenever I see him. His attitude on the pitch with the gestures and the faces he pulls just rub me the wrong way, almost as if he's the most important person in the ground and that the forty thousand fans are there to see him. It's almost as if looks for controversy.

Rafael was in the wrong, granted, but it was three quarters through a game with the adrenaline pumping and he's 20/21 years of age and he's just been sent off for pretty much nothing. He obviously just lost it for a moment.

It's no different to what we see in every game thats played though, hell I've seen much worse without and charges brought against the offending players (usual suspects, Terrry, Gerrard, etc). If the FA are wanting to stop this then fair enough (something I think will be impossible with so much emotion in the game of football), but they need to do it across the board and until they do most football fans with think the FA is a shambles.

At the moment, it is.

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FWIW I think Rafael probably was looking like he'd commit an offence that was genuinely worth a yellow later in the game. However Dean sees that he's a bit too pumped up, and seemingly his first thought is how to get him off the pitch. After he runs across the Spurs player, why doesn't he just tell him to calm down, and he's walking on a tightrope? He would've probably seen the 90 minutes out if that was the case, and the game probably would've been better. That's a referee's main job for me, keeping a lid on things, some do it brilliantly. Some just get their cards out.

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The aftermath of the Rafael incident really showed kids around the world what United are all about. Players running across the pitch to shout abuse in the ref's face when they don't like a decision. No surprise however - this has been the United way for more than a decade now and is one of the main reasons everybody hates them.

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The aftermath of the Rafael incident really showed kids around the world what United are all about. Players running across the pitch to shout abuse in the ref's face when they don't like a decision. No surprise however - this has been the United way for more than a decade now and is one of the main reasons everybody hates them.

Oh fuck off.

EVERY team does it.

Period.

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Oh fuck off.

EVERY team does it.

Period.

Firstly I should apologise as I thought this was in the football thread, wasn't paying attention.

BUT - no-one does it like Man U do it. Maybe John Terry, but he is scum and the only player I hate more than Gary Neville. Perhaps if another team dominates English football for any length of time they will cultivate this attitude - maybe that's what happens when you're not used to losing. But Fergie hasn't stamped it out (I believe he encourages its use as a tactic) and I think that says a lot about the man and his priorities.

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There's this notion that the smaller clubs are all gentlemanly and that, and if they were at the top, they'd never behave like the big bad teams would. It's just bullshit, you think you'll find decorum after a sending up during a relegation six-pointer? It's water off a duck's back to the ref I'm sure, it wasn't smart by Rooney and Rafael, but the former was carded and the second will be fined. That's the end of it. The only reason United get a bad name, is because whenever anything contentious happens during a match involving us, it's all anyone talks about. That plus a healthy dose of bitterness, I imagine. We're absolutely no different than anyone else.

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Firstly I should apologise as I thought this was in the football thread, wasn't paying attention.

BUT - no-one does it like Man U do it. Maybe John Terry, but he is scum and the only player I hate more than Gary Neville. Perhaps if another team dominates English football for any length of time they will cultivate this attitude - maybe that's what happens when you're not used to losing. But Fergie hasn't stamped it out (I believe he encourages its use as a tactic) and I think that says a lot about the man and his priorities.

Gerrard and Carragher eh? Tony Adams? Keown?

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Firstly I should apologise as I thought this was in the football thread, wasn't paying attention.

BUT - no-one does it like Man U do it. Maybe John Terry, but he is scum and the only player I hate more than Gary Neville. Perhaps if another team dominates English football for any length of time they will cultivate this attitude - maybe that's what happens when you're not used to losing. But Fergie hasn't stamped it out (I believe he encourages its use as a tactic) and I think that says a lot about the man and his priorities.

So, Man Utd are by far the worst offenders of this, and Fergie gives the team tactics on how to behave petulantly towards the ref as a priority above actually playing the game?

I take it you don't watch much football then.

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So, Man Utd are by far the worst offenders of this, and Fergie gives the team tactics on how to behave petulantly towards the ref as a priority above actually playing the game?

I take it you don't watch much football then.

Yup, Man Utd are by far the worst offenders and have been for years. Fergie doesn't stamp it out because overall it pressures the ref and gives an advantage when the next decision is made, however slight. It's sometimes not even after a decision goes against them - witness Jar Jar's haranguing of the assistant ref when he originally ruled out Nani's goal against Tottenham, AFTER the ref had given it. He's a CB and he's run half the pitch to do this! And of course it's not prioritised over playing the game - for the record, I must admit the way Fergie's team play the game is a joy to watch - it's prioritised over being decent and setting a good example.

Anyway no point me arguing this in a Man United thread - no football fan wears the blinkers like you lot.

PS I watch all the PL football

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I'm surprised at you stating you watch a lot of football. It doesn't come across in your posts.

United have had instances where this has been a problem over the years and Fergie as even gone on record in the past about putting a stop to it. To suggest its only United that do it is laughable and makes you look like a bitter person. It's you who need to take off those blinkers.

Everybody does it at some point or another, its the nature of the beast I'm afraid. Surely you remember the instance with Gerrard not long since where he clearly give the ref the 'V' sign and told him to fuck off. Also heard someone mention that Terry actually tried to take the red card out of the refs hand while shouting abuse when he was sending Obi Mikel. Nothing got said.

If the FA want to stop this then I understand why Rafael was sent off. The problem is, and always is when it comes to the FA is that they need to be consistent with it. It can't be one rule for one and one for another.

If Rafael gets any more than a ticking off then it's an absolute joke.

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I'm surprised at you stating you watch a lot of football. It doesn't come across in your posts.

United have had instances where this has been a problem over the years and Fergie as even gone on record in the past about putting a stop to it. To suggest its only United that do it is laughable and makes you look like a bitter person. It's you who need to take off those blinkers.

Everybody does it at some point or another, its the nature of the beast I'm afraid. Surely you remember the instance with Gerrard not long since where he clearly give the ref the 'V' sign and told him to fuck off. Also heard someone mention that Terry actually tried to take the red card out of the refs hand while shouting abuse when he was sending Obi Mikel. Nothing got said.

If the FA want to stop this then I understand why Rafael was sent off. The problem is, and always is when it comes to the FA is that they need to be consistent with it. It can't be one rule for one and one for another.

If Rafael gets any more than a ticking off then it's an absolute joke.

I didn't say only United did it, I said they did it best. This has been a feature of the United team since the late 90s and everyone knows it. Also Fergie is the biggest liar of them all when it comes to what he says to the press. But if I was a United fan I'd be defending my team too, although I'd be doing it with a wry smile. So I hope you're smiling.

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I didn't say only United did it, I said they did it best. This has been a feature of the United team since the late 90s and everyone knows it. Also Fergie is the biggest liar of them all when it comes to what he says to the press. But if I was a United fan I'd be defending my team too, although I'd be doing it with a wry smile. So I hope you're smiling.

They do what the best? How come demonstratively awful decisions have happened in the last few games (the completely undeserved red, the offside handball foul goal V Brum, a few against WBA) and not been over turned if Utd are so good at arguing?

What's closer to the mark is that the media report the incidents completely differently which whips up this furore and influences how some people think. Compare what happens when a decision goes for or against Utd to how it's reported for the opposition:

- A handball, offside goal with a foul happens against Utd for Brum. Result? Everybody reports that Utd had it coming for past fortune. All the talk is the bad away form, throwing it away etc.

- Neville should have been sent off against WBA, totally agree. Utd also should have had a blatant handball penalty given in their favour in the same game. Rooney was injured by a deliberate, cynical tackle that was so close to being dangerous. Only one incident got reported, guess which. Bowyer should have been sent off for a disgusting tackle in the Brum game against us. He repeated the trick against Arsenal. But, yeah, which out of Bowyer and Neville did you hear about?

- Correct decisions in the FA Cup to send off a player and award a pen. Nothing is said about Liverpool crowding the ref for the pen, nothing about the same crowding at half time. Nothing is said about Dalglish having a go at the ref in the tunnel, nothing is said about Dalglish having a go after the game. Naturally nothing is said about the clear penalty Evans should have had.

- A decision that is demonstratively bad goes against Utd in sending off Rafael. Suddenly the focus is off the opposition getting luck, it's about how Utd react. Nothing is said about how bad the ref is. Ferguson is reported as continuing his feud with the ref, even though he refused to comment.

- The BBC are still showing that Mendes goal 5 years+ on. Why exactly is MotD2 highlights showing this last weekend? They certainly don't seem so keen to bang on about decisions like that which go against Utd. Take last season, the league was won by 1 point by Chelsea. They beat Utd at Stamford Bridge 1-0 with a goal that came from a freekick that wasn't a foul. From the subsequent freekick that Chelsea scored from our CB's where clearly fouled. Could it be argued Utd lost the game and the title because of this?

Etc, etc, etc. There's loads more examples I could give but what's the point? My take is Utd act much the same as everyone else, it's the reporting of it that's different.

My theory is the FA see this alleged Utd bias and decide to go the other way and act completely OOT to prove a point. You need only look at 4 game ban Evra, Ferdinand for his elbow and drug ban, Scholes pre season tournament ban carrying over to the league for a few examples of how Utd have been made an example of, quite probably to show how tough the FA are.

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Yeah it's the same with "Fergie Time". I remember watching a Soccer AM bit a few years ago that went about debunking rumours or giving facts about our beloved game. They took the rumour that Utd always get extra injury time, etc, yet showed that Arsenal had the highest average injury time, somewhere around 4 mins, and Utd were mid table. Similarly, I think it was Fulham that had most goals in injury time and Utd were 5th or 6th, with Arsenal and Chelsea above us. Yet "Fergie Time" is always on the tip of people's tongues when they want to bitch about Utd, even though it's demonstrably wrong.

People believe what they want to believe and the mainstream press reporting to the masses is nothing new.

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