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The whole back four, Scholes, Tevez, clearly had a better night. Evra was phenomenal.

Ronaldo was quiet, Rooney absent, but then, neither really damaged United, they just weren't getting the service they, perhaps wrongly, expected. They were on the periphery, sat back, were too conservative. When they got the ball, sparks did not fly, but they were not feckless. Some of the passes Nani was making was real hide behind the sofa stuff. It's not the lack of quality - it's the decision making and positioning. He's appalling on the break - he either holds the ball and gets tackled, or makes a stupid pass that triggers a counter attack. He's left his brain in Portugal.

Basically I'd take conservative/boring every day of the week over headless chicken running at everything and making ridiulously improbable passes. If anything, having a player that gives away possession relentlessly causes the team as a whole to play more deep. I'm not blaming Nani for the over all team performance, but his risk taking will certainly not help. If you want Man U to get their flow, you need solidity, and you need prolonged spells of possession. When Ronaldo was off down the yellow brick road every five seconds on his first season it didn't scar so bad because the team could handle the instabiltiy and had chances to spare. This current team doesn't.

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The whole back four, Scholes, Tevez, clearly had a better night. Evra was phenomenal.

Ronaldo was quiet, Rooney absent, but then, neither really damaged United, they just weren't getting the service they, perhaps wrongly, expected. They were on the periphery, sat back, were too conservative. When they got the ball, sparks did not fly, but they were not feckless. Some of the passes Nani was making was real hide behind the sofa stuff. It's not the lack of quality - it's the decision making and positioning. He's appalling on the break - he either holds the ball and gets tackled, or makes a stupid pass that triggers a counter attack. He's left his brain in Portugal.

Basically I'd take conservative/boring every day of the week over headless chicken running at everything and making ridiculously improbable passes. If anything, having a player that gives away possession relentlessly causes the team as a whole to play more deep. I'm not blaming Nani for the over all team performance, but his risk taking will certainly not help. If you want Man U to get their flow, you need solidity, and you need prolonged spells of possession. When Ronaldo was off down the yellow brick road every five seconds on his first season it didn't scar so bad because the team could handle the instabiltiy and had chances to spare. This current team doesn't.

This tops it of for me. Tevez who came on and closed down people and one decent long range effort had a better game than Nani? Scholes who played so deep its untrue. O'Shea who got caught out time and time again by Mancini due to ball watching, he didn't offer anything going forward either. Even Evra was lackluster compared to his previous outings.

I think the difference between us is you what percentage football where everyone makes 95% of passes. May I suggest you watch Chelsea of something similar ;)

People like Ronaldo, Nani, Rooney and Tevez will give the ball away and also at times will be frustrating. You know why? Because they think outside the box, they try thing that other players wouldn't. Sometime it goes wrong, but when it comes off its brilliant to see. Ronaldo been the prime example. I love him to bits as a player but he can be the most frustrating player for me. But if you tell him not to try those thing he'd be half the player.

I fail to se how you can critise Nani for Tuesday performance. If you didn't get excited when he ran at players, commiting them and whiping in crosses then you have no soul.

To me, this is what Football is all about and its why I watch it. He gave the ball needlessy I agree, he'll get better. That I'm sure. Sir Alex in his interview after the game praised him but said he had a lot to learn. Mainly, that he needs to trust his talents and get at them. I think we saw that on Tuesday for the first time.

You need to look past that and see him for what he brought to the team. Which in fairness, was alot more than Giggs as done in his last 3 to 4 games. I'd be very disappointed if Nani didn't play at the weekend.

There, thats all I have to say on that matter :(

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So, thoughts for the weekend game against Wigan?

Could be tough as no doubt there will be out to spoil. Wigan do have a shocking record against the big guns though, think there have lost 17 on the bounce against the top four.

I'm hoping for a early goal, if we do get one within the first 20 minutes or so I think we can push on and notch another 1 or 2 which would do my health some good. Can not cope with these 1-Nils score lines. I'll be heading for early grave if it carries on

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Anderson is doing so poorly in training he's not expected to challenge for a first team place until next season. I suspect O'Shea and Brown.

At least its just wigan. But then, were it not for a shite decision they'd have drawn with a Torres enabled Liverpool.

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Anderson is doing so poorly in training he's not expected to challenge for a first team place until next season. I suspect O'Shea and Brown.

At least its just wigan. But then, were it not for a shite decision they'd have drawn with a Torres enabled Liverpool.

Is this true? How do you know? I haven't seen or read anything regarding that... I know he looks alot fitter now. Was one of the first things I noticed when he came on against Roma. Hope we see him sooner than next season.

Think it'll be a case of O'Shea slotting in now. We couldn't possibly play Anderson and Scholes in a 4 man midfield anyhow. Its a shame Gibson is injured too as I'd like to see him given a chance. Fletcher is 2-3 weeks away from returning and with the Internationals next week right?

Maybe we can get some bodies back fit during that time.

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Without quotes though.

Where as I saw an interview with Fergie who said he'd done himself no harm. I know hes not going to come out and call him shit but he did single Anderson and Pique out and said they'd done themselves no harm.

Either way. I don't buy the story.

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Ronaldo vows to stay for as long as the club want him

Always nice to hear from any player, let alone one of the best in the world :(

"This is the right club for me in every way - the people, the players, the fans, everything. I've enjoyed playing for this club for the last five years and I want to keep going. I want to stay and be part of the history of this club. When the club say they don't want me anymore is only when I will leave. I enjoy my life here."
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The bemusing thing about Nani and Anderson is that they cost us a combined £30m.

Compare that to Geovanni and Petrov over at City, who look much, much better players and less than half that. I'll reserve judgement until the end of the season, but it looks like Fergie (or Queiroz) has fucked up.

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How old are Geovanni and Petrov? I'm sure they're not as young as Nani or Anderson. These are players that need at least 1 season in the premiership to adapt and for the supporters to start seeing what they can really do. Give them time to grow and mature and I'm sure you'll see two completely better players next season. They both have bags of potential, they just need to adapt it to the premiership, much like Ronaldo had to when he first came over.

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The bemusing thing about Nani and Anderson is that they cost us a combined £30m.

Compare that to Geovanni and Petrov over at City, who look much, much better players and less than half that. I'll reserve judgement until the end of the season, but it looks like Fergie (or Queiroz) has fucked up.

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Give them a chance!

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The bemusing thing about Nani and Anderson is that they cost us a combined £30m.

No, they'll have cost £30M if they are both successful at United. No medals, cups, appearances etc will drastically cut the amount the club pays for them.

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The bemusing thing about Nani and Anderson is that they cost us a combined £30m.

Compare that to Geovanni and Petrov over at City, who look much, much better players and less than half that. I'll reserve judgement until the end of the season, but it looks like Fergie (or Queiroz) has fucked up.

Thats wrong at the beginning, the middle and the end... :(

The price is meant to be half that £30M figure for the pair with the rest either installments or performance related payments which has been the same for the last 2 to 3 years with all Man Utd purchases.

Then the comparisons you make. Petrov, a seasoned international player who's 28 years of age and has around 50 caps. Elano who's a little younger at 26 but also has around 20 caps with Brazil as well as over 150 first team appearances with Santos and Shaktar Donesk.

Compare this to Nani who's 20 years of age and as only 60 first team games in his whole career with several International Caps. Then there's Anderson, who at 19, yes thats 19 has made about roughly 30 First Team appearences and has come back from a broken leg recently.

Obviously a fair comparison.

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I also saw an interview with Fergie who said the only players who did themselves credit in the Coventry game were Anderson and Pique. Odd that.

It is odd, considering Anderson played as well as a fly-tipped fridge.

It's too early to tell how Anderson and Nani will end up in the Man U scheme. They have all the ingredients for sucess, and the price tags to match, but we are only weeks into a new season.

There is a danger that, with Ronaldo working like such a dream on every level at Old Trafford, Ferguson got greedy and tried to just rinse and repeat. However, I trust his instincts, bar Fletcher, who I want buried in a shallow grave sharpish.

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Thats wrong at the beginning, the middle and the end... :lol:

The price is meant to be half that £30M figure for the pair with the rest either installments or performance related payments which has been the same for the last 2 to 3 years with all Man Utd purchases.

Then the comparisons you make. Petrov, a seasoned international player who's 28 years of age and has around 50 caps. Elano who's a little younger at 26 but also has around 20 caps with Brazil as well as over 150 first team appearances with Santos and Shaktar Donesk.

Compare this to Nani who's 20 years of age and as only 60 first team games in his whole career with several International Caps. Then there's Anderson, who at 19, yes thats 19 has made about roughly 30 First Team appearences and has come back from a broken leg recently.

Obviously a fair comparison.

Reports suggest we paid £14m to meet the buy out clause in Nani's contract and L'Equipe reports we paid 25m Euros, or £17.3m for Anderson.

City on the other hand got Petrov and Elano seasoned professionals who are showing their class and ability and are fitting in with a completely new team for £4.7m and £8m respectively.

All I'm saying is Fergie has taken a big gamble on these two, and there are many of us who would prefer players who are ready to step up and play now, not in a few years time.

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