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L. Ron Hubbard and his goons set out detailed instructions on how to manipulate the media and emotionally disturb interviewers, discrediting them along the way.

They certainly did a number on John Sweeney and have released

to trash his investigation before it's aired.

The guy deserves a holiday after what sounds like a pretty stressful few weeks

A quick visit to the cult-exposing Operation Clambake could have prepared him a lot better for the brainwashing that was in store.

A good selection of reports on Scientology here, and if you haven't seen it already check out the South Park episode In the Closet.

Looking forward to this tomorrow.

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There's a great discussion about this on /. a the minute and the way that they got this out of him. Scientologisty basically have this professional winder uppers. Scientologists are trained to be as calm as possible in responding to questions from someone, emotional responses are frowned upon and over time they manage to clear them out almost entirely. Makes it very easy to control someone, maybe. It also means that the people who run these sessions get incredibly good at winding people up. Unleash one on someone that doesn't realise what's going on, point a video camera and you're guaranteed to get fireworks.

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There's a great discussion about this on /. a the minute and the way that they got this out of him. Scientologisty basically have this professional winder uppers. Scientologists are trained to be as calm as possible in responding to questions from someone, emotional responses are frowned upon and over time they manage to clear them out almost entirely. Makes it very easy to control someone, maybe. It also means that the people who run these sessions get incredibly good at winding people up. Unleash one on someone that doesn't realise what's going on, point a video camera and you're guaranteed to get fireworks.

Can see why Tom Cruise was cool as a cucumber when he got done over by the Balls of Steel people at his own premiere. Still looked like a plonker though.

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I just saw the footage on News 24. It's absolutely hilarious, but it's disconcerting that News 24 is used to advertise upcoming Panorama and Horizon stories so much these days.

The BBC has been shamelessly self promoting inappropriately for years now, look at the number of adverts for shitty Eastenders that you cant avoid on the BBC TV or Radio channels for an example. Also their interview style on the radio is attrocious nowadays,

Its like the old BBC interviewers were all replaced by some terrible FOX/SKY lite types instead. I listen to the nicky campbell drive show in the morning (broken ariel means its all my radio recieves) and its cringe inducingly bad when he or his colleagues adopt their 'adversarial interviewer' stance and start asking completely pointless questions of interviewees/contributers, whats worse is you know theres a particular answer/soundbite they are after and when they dont get it they will ask the exact same question again in an ever so slightly reworded fashion. This may be whats required when dealing with certain politicians but the same approach applied to more 'ordinary' individuals less practiced in dealing with the media does come across as completely crass.

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I'm just not keen on using a news channel to pimp these sort of entertainment stories. Same with ITV and Tonight with Trevor McDonald.

It's not just the news channel, they had it on the morning news on BBC 1 as well.

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The BBC has been shamelessly self promoting inappropriately for years now, look at the number of adverts for shitty Eastenders that you cant avoid on the BBC TV or Radio channels for an example. Also their interview style on the radio is attrocious nowadays,

Its like the old BBC interviewers were all replaced by some terrible FOX/SKY lite types instead. I listen to the nicky campbell drive show in the morning (broken ariel means its all my radio recieves) and its cringe inducingly bad when he or his colleagues adopt their 'adversarial interviewer' stance and start asking completely pointless questions of interviewees/contributers, whats worse is you know theres a particular answer/soundbite they are after and when they dont get it they will ask the exact same question again in an ever so slightly reworded fashion. This may be whats required when dealing with certain politicians but the same approach applied to more 'ordinary' individuals less practiced in dealing with the media does come across as completely crass.

Yeah, it's strikingly unprofessional. They were just asking the Eurovision winner inane questions about whether she was "surprised that you recieved the most points from countries which just ten years ago were your sworn enemies". She looked mortified.

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Just seen the video with the BBC interviewer. To be honest, he looked like he lost it. He's supposed to be the interviewer and the one in control so he surely should be able to always have the last word or at least match them if they insisted on talking over him, being irritating, etc. He's just a bad interviewer, really.

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They were just asking the Eurovision winner inane questions about whether she was "surprised that you recieved the most points from countries which just ten years ago were your sworn enemies". She looked mortified.

Sometimes the crassness of TV can still surprise, how about asking Claudia Schiffer if using soap reminds her of her countries melting down of Jews in concentration camps?

I think if footage as weird as the John Sweeney eppy is floating around the BBC don't have much choice than to air the reasoning behind the argument. It wont hurt ratings of course, but at the same time they're basically defending themselves from a slick, scam organisation that's trying to deflect any investigations.

Panorama ain't no Tonight With Trevor McDonald. Poor Trevor, they really should call it Tonight with Jeremy Kyle.

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Just seen the video with the BBC interviewer. To be honest, he looked like he lost it. He's supposed to be the interviewer and the one in control so he surely should be able to always have the last word or at least match them if they insisted on talking over him, being irritating, etc. He's just a bad interviewer, really.

I guess that part is after a long, long period of exasperation and being interrupted after every third word left his mouth. The Panorama editor said this morning that he and the shouter are both ashamed of it, and it doesn't form part of the show as it's unprofessional, but the Scientologists have forced their hand.

I bet they'll get more viewers than they would normally, though...

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They certainly did a number on John Sweeney and have released
to trash his investigation before it's aired.

it's a bit weird how his voice level returns to normal in the middle of a word at the very end of that clip, without him seeming to alter facially, either. I wonder if they've used some audio trickery on it?

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Just seen the video with the BBC interviewer. To be honest, he looked like he lost it. He's supposed to be the interviewer and the one in control so he surely should be able to always have the last word or at least match them if they insisted on talking over him, being irritating, etc. He's just a bad interviewer, really.

This is exactly what you're supposed to think.

Scientology PA's are trained in psychological manipulation and distortion. Sweeney had been subjected to this for days. Him losing it was the culmination of about 12 hours of wind-up and being taken around a 'museum' likening Psychiatrists to Nazis. He was the classic victim of techniques involving sensory overload, as outlined by Hubbard in one of his brainwashing manuals.

The only error I would lay at Sweeney's door is that he didn't do enough research on what to expect and how to handle it. There's even an information pack available online for journalists dealing with the media:

Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard was deeply suspicious of the media (whom he called "chaos merchants") and established procedures for controlling and manipulating journalists that are still used by the Church of Scientology today.
"For my training, I studied"secret directives from Hubbard and others on how to handle reporters, how to deal with police and government agencies, how to create front groups, and how to discredit or destroy a person or a group with Hubbard's ‘fair game’ doctrine.

http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/14.htm

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Bull-baiting. He walked right into that one.

Click around related links in YouTube as well, he seems pretty rubbish at his job to be honest.

There's one of him trying to debate with a Scientologist about whether Scientology is a cult or a religion. Does it really matter? If anything that just illustrates how retarded religion is, quibbling over semantics like that.

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There's one of him trying to debate with a Scientologist about whether Scientology is a cult or a religion. Does it really matter? If anything that just illustrates how retarded religion is, quibbling over semantics like that.

Scientology isn't a religion.

It went about turning itself into a religion in 1984 when it was about to be prosecuted for practising Psychiatry without a licence.

There was actually a Panorama documentary 20 years ago that looked into this that you can download from here:

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/Sten/galacti...net/panorama.rm

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Anyone criticising Scientology is labelled as 'Fair Game' in a policy written by the Hubbster:

The policy was further extended in October 1967, when Hubbard defined the "penalties" for an individual deemed to be in a "Condition of Enemy":

ENEMY — SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.

Injured by any means :lol:

That applies to everyone in this thread then. Watch your backs.

More about the fair game doctrine here.

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Bull-baiting. He walked right into that one.

Click around related links in YouTube as well, he seems pretty rubbish at his job to be honest.

There was an article on the BBC website explaining what had happened to him (linked to at the start of this very thread, in fact), and it's really badly written. There's no flow or authority to it, it's like something a teenager might have written.

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There was an article on the BBC website explaining what had happened to him (linked to at the start of this very thread, in fact), and it's really badly written. There's no flow or authority to it, it's like something a teenager might have written.

It read like he was on the verge of a breakdown.

Injured by any means...Poor sod. Someone make him a hot, sweet tea and give him a month off.

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Scientology isn't a religion.

It went about turning itself into a religion in 1984 when it was about to be prosecuted for practising Psychiatry without a licence.

There was actually a Panorama documentary 20 years ago that looked into this that you can download from here:

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/Sten/galacti...net/panorama.rm

So, it's not a religion because it's only been one since 1984? What kind of logic is that? Is there a gestation period for religions I don't know about.

Quite frankly, as a Pastafarian myself, I find that idea intolerable.

Scientology is genius really. It's based on a really lame science fiction plot and even though that is now well known, people are still well into it.

"Any means necessary" is quite chilling though.

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