PS3: Too soon to buy?

[Mr. Gerbik]

Wtf, where did this beauty of a thread suddenly come from? And are Raize and Rockin a Jack D for real? Comedy accounts surely, but if not.. keep it up Raize! Don't stop posting your opinions, they are very intelligent and insightful, don't let anybody tell you otherwise! *grabs popcorn*

[Alex W.]

I'm not sure they've ever claimed it's anything but an early 2008 release, have they?

Aside from "2007" at the end of every trailer, Konami telling everyone it's set for a Japanese and North American release in 2007, the prominent use of the inverted or cropped number "7" in the game's logotype, and never mentioning a 2008 release date for the title*, you're bang on.

*The "2008" thing comes from Konami running through this financial year's games, there's no "MGS4- 2008" mentioned anywhere.

Edit- I tell a lie, actually, one trailer put up "2008" as a joke, played the MGS "surprise!" sound effect then scored it out in favour of 2007.

[barkbat]

Aside from "2007" at the end of every trailer, Konami telling everyone it's set for a Japanese and North American release in 2007, the prominent use of the inverted or cropped number "7" in the game's logotype, and never mentioning a 2008 release date for the title*, you're bang on.

*The "2008" thing comes from Konami running through this financial year's games, there's no "MGS4- 2008" mentioned anywhere.

Edit- I tell a lie, actually, one trailer put up "2008" as a joke, played the MGS "surprise!" sound effect then scored it out in favour of 2007.

Yeah but this is the videogame industry. You think because men put 2007 everywhere that somehow guarantees the game will not be heavily delayed at the elventh hour and end up being released in 2008 with some game-crippling bug? You think naive. Tres naive.

[Boyatsea]

Aside from "2007" at the end of every trailer, Konami telling everyone it's set for a Japanese and North American release in 2007, the prominent use of the inverted or cropped number "7" in the game's logotype, and never mentioning a 2008 release date for the title*, you're bang on.

I was talking about Little Big Planet.

[MK-1601]

Halo 2 would have gone against MGS3 which sold 3.7 million units. Not sure how accurate those Wiki figures are considering Halo 2 for the xbox was the 20th best selling multi format title in Jan 2007 in America. Not bad for a game from Nov 2004.

Faulty comparison. Of Halo2, MGS2 and MGS3, which game wasn't being pushed by the hardware manufacturer as a platform showcase?

[womblingfree]

MHO this is the lamest launch period for a console ever.

Rubbish, it pisses on the PS2 launch and plenty of others.

Buy Virtua Fighter 5, download some movies and watch them through HDMI, get a copy of the Planet Earth Blu-Ray, download porn and wank yourself silly, play Resistance online, ditto Motorstorm, get hold of Oblivion if you've not played it before, bring a mate round for some Virtua Tennis, check out Flow, put together some HD slideshows of your holidays, pre-order Heavenly Sword and GTAIV, mop up all the great PS2 games, blah, blah, blah...In terms of solid games in the first few months it's following more the PSone launch than the PS2 thank goodness.

Why not just flog it and buy a 360 if you never use it, I'm sure someone's looking for a cheap one.

By the way does anyone (without kids of the right age) seriously play the Wii more than any other console? I've got mine, had a great few days with Zelda and Warioware, but now it just seems as much use as a Sodastream and I can't be arsed to get anymore pancake flippy games.

[Alex W.]

I was talking about Little Big Planet.

Hmm, I'd assumed Spacehost was talking about MGS. Normally that's a safe bet.

[Beertiger]

If you count the recent maps being sold Halo 2 is still generating revenue.

Plus it's just about to get released on PC, with the less snobbish owners likely to take a look. Halo sold quite well even after the long delay. Those Halo 2 sale numbers for January 2007? 70 thousand units sold. Obviously 360 owners with nothing else to play.

[Spartan]

I'm just waiting for someone to trot out Killzone 2

Standard reply: Killzone 1 was shit. Why the hell would i want more?

[Blue Screen Error]

Plus it's just about to get released on PC, with the less snobbish owners likely to take a look. Halo sold quite well even after the long delay. Those Halo 2 sale numbers for January 2007? 70 thousand units sold. Obviously 360 owners with nothing else to play.

If Halo 2 was on XP then yeah I could agree.

But a 3year old Xbox port on a Vista machine?

I'd say its unlikely, in fact i'd say to some extent its almost like its been sent out to die.

[womblingfree]

Most AAA titles are multi-platform and have been for years. Wipeout? FFVII? Tomb Raider? Resi 4? Vice City?

The only exclusives are usually the ones bank rolled by the console manufacturers themselves.

I'll play Half-Life2 and Oblivion on my Ps3 cause I've got one.

[Beertiger]

If Halo 2 was on XP then yeah I could agree.

But a 3year old Xbox port on a Vista machine?

I'd say its unlikely, in fact i'd say to some extent its almost like its been sent out to die.

Oh yeah I forgot it was Vista only. Absolutely amazing decision making from Microsoft.

[MK-1601]

Buy Virtua Fighter 5, download some movies and watch them through HDMI, get a copy of the Planet Earth Blu-Ray, download porn and wank yourself silly, play Resistance online, ditto Motorstorm, get hold of Oblivion if you've not played it before, bring a mate round for some Virtua Tennis, check out Flow, put together some HD slideshows of your holidays, pre-order Heavenly Sword and GTAIV, mop up all the great PS2 games, blah, blah, blah...In terms of solid games in the first few months it's following more the PSone launch than the PS2 thank goodness.

Fucking this.

Current PS3 owners probably don't feel they've gotten value for money (you know, I'm sure it's been alluded to in previous threads, maybe?) but they're hardly twiddling their thumbs waiting for anything meaty to come out. Unless you're averse to racing, fighting, FPS or RPG games, in which case you're surely setting yourself up for disappointment buying consoles in the first place.

[Blue Screen Error]

Oh yeah I forgot it was Vista only. Absolutely amazing decision making from Microsoft.

Yeah it makes the ads for it on the 1up yours podcast spaztastic

"optimised for windows vista"

[Boyatsea]

Hmm, I'd assumed Spacehost was talking about MGS. Normally that's a safe bet.

He may well have been. But I was talking about LBP in the post he quoted.

[Mr. Gerbik]

Fucking this.

Current PS3 owners probably don't feel they've gotten value for money (you know, I'm sure it's been alluded to in previous threads, maybe?) but they're hardly twiddling their thumbs waiting for anything meaty to come out. Unless you're averse to racing, fighting, FPS or RPG games, in which case you're surely setting yourself up for disappointment buying consoles in the first place.

What rpg games? Serious question. White Knight Story looks great, but isn't out for some time afaik, same with FFXIII.

[Uzi]

Most AAA titles are multi-platform and have been for years. Wipeout? FFVII? Tomb Raider? Resi 4? Vice City?

The only exclusives are usually the ones bank rolled by the console manufacturers themselves.

I'll play Half-Life2 and Oblivion on my Ps3 cause I've got one.

Exclusives means a reason to buy the console at the least. As much as a commercial failure that the N64 against the psone, it had iconic games like Goldeneye, Zelda and Mario 64 that made it essential to own just for one or two or three games. Halo is todays Goldeneye cult wise. Even if your mates dont own it, you can bring them into its world and they get impressed. Mates are over for Halo 2 like they used to be for four player Goldeneye back years ago. Nothing has done that since, and thats both on and offline. Now with Halo 3 improving on the multiplayer and getting online co op for up to four players, I gurantee that will get a couple of my friends to get a 360. Just to be part of the halo circle, they way they wanted to be part of the Goldeneye one.

Also Resi 4, Vice City and Wipeout were all in one place for a while before anything else happened. Even exclusive periods help, which GTAIV doesnt have.

FFVII was on the pc only afterwards, hard to find even back them and was after a while of its initial groundbreaking release.

Exclusives help. A lot

[Hello Goaty ♥]

RIDGE RACER 7 IS THE BEST RACER OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

( You should see it in 1080P )

besides.. my PS3 was only £245 quid delivered from Canada. ( 20 gig one )

so i'm happy

[Boyatsea]

What rpg games? Serious question. White Knight Story looks great, but isn't out for some time afaik, same with FFXIII.

Oblivion?

[Beertiger]

Rubbish, it pisses on the PS2 launch and plenty of others.

Buy Virtua Fighter 5, download some movies and watch them through HDMI, get a copy of the Planet Earth Blu-Ray, download porn and wank yourself silly, play Resistance online, ditto Motorstorm, get hold of Oblivion if you've not played it before, bring a mate round for some Virtua Tennis, check out Flow, put together some HD slideshows of your holidays, pre-order Heavenly Sword and GTAIV, mop up all the great PS2 games, blah, blah, blah...In terms of solid games in the first few months it's following more the PSone launch than the PS2 thank goodness.

Why not just flog it and buy a 360 if you never use it, I'm sure someone's looking for a cheap one.

By the way does anyone (without kids of the right age) seriously play the Wii more than any other console? I've got mine, had a great few days with Zelda and Warioware, but now it just seems as much use as a Sodastream and I can't be arsed to get anymore pancake flippy games.

Why not play it online? Oh...

As for the Wii I'm trying to stretch out my Zelda to last me until another game comes out. The software situation on that console is pretty dire, a real lack of games with depth.

[MK-1601]

What rpg games? Serious question. White Knight Story looks great, but isn't out for some time afaik, same with FFXIII.

Oblivion. Edit: snap!

[Hello Goaty ♥]

Don't know about you guys.. but this is why i've got a PS3:

[womblingfree]

Exclusives means a reason to buy the console at the least. As much as a commercial failure that the N64 against the psone, it had iconic games like Goldeneye, Zelda and Mario 64 that made it essential to own just for one or two or three games. Halo is todays Goldeneye cult wise.

You've just named pretty much the best exclusives ever released and the PS1 & 2 mopped the floor with both consoles.

Much as these brilliant games make it worth owning the console in the short term, once you've finished them it's the abundance of BBB games that's going to keep you busy for the years in between. Goldeneye's the only one that I played solidly for years.

Like you said, it's not exclusivity that matters, it's where the games go first. Although even that's not always the case.The DC had some of the best exclusives, and tons of them, and it still died on its arse. It took PS2 years to get a library to match it. Also Tomb Raider was released on the Saturn before the PS1 and Wipeout was very soon after the PS1 version.

Market perception often seems to have fuck all to do with great games. I'm still waiting for a killer app on all three next-gen consoles.

[womblingfree]

Why not play it online? Oh...

As for the Wii I'm trying to stretch out my Zelda to last me until another game comes out. The software situation on that console is pretty dire, a real lack of games with depth.

Play what online? The Wii? I hate wiggling that fucking thing around, I feel like I'm having physiotherapy after a head-trauma.

I'm selling mine until I have kids and they ask me to get one, although I think I'll get them Meccanno a tennis racquet and piano lessons instead so they don't end up like us.

EDIT:

Oh, you meant VT3. Luckily I have friends who're into it with the added bonus that we can go to the pub afterwards. They were twats for leaving out the online though.

[Mr. Gerbik]

Oblivion?

Oblivion. Edit: snap!

D'oh! of course, I completely forgot about Oblivion. I was only thinking in terms of Japanese rpgs. Nevermind.

[Warszawa]

I've gotten a lot of use out of my Wii since launch - Excite Truck & The Godfather have provided me with plenty of fun over the last couple of months, with regular multi-player outings for Wario Ware, Wii Sports & Wii Play also keeping it in action. I'm not in a position to sink as much time into games as I once was so the nature of much of the Wii software works perfectly for me at present. I'd probably play it a great deal less if every single game was a 20+ hour epic. Though that's not to say I'm not highly anticipating the likes of Super Paper Mario, RE4 & Metroid Prime over the next few months.

[Boyatsea]

Had a brief want for a Wii when it launched.

Now when I see the line-up on the shop shelves I think "I don't especially want to play any of thoses."

Horses for courses, as they say.

[Beertiger]

Play what online? The Wii? I hate wiggling that fucking thing around, I feel like I'm having physiotherapy after a head-trauma.

I'm selling mine until I have kids and they ask me to get one, although I think I'll get them Meccanno a tennis racquet and piano lessons instead so they don't end up like us.

The play online reference was to Virtua Tennis. I had Meccanno and it fucked me up for life.

I've gotten a lot of use out of my Wii since launch - Excite Truck & The Godfather have provided me with plenty of fun over the last couple of months, with regular multi-player outings for Wario Ware, Wii Sports & Wii Play also keeping it in action. I'm not in a position to sink as much time into games as I once was so the nature of much of the Wii software works perfectly for me at present. I'd probably play it a great deal less if every single game was a 20+ hour epic.

For some reason I always forget about social play. Wii Sports get wheeled out a fair bit but whenever the topic about Wii play time comes up I always forget.

[Hello Goaty ♥]

And as far as i'm concerned, God Of War II is a PS3 game i'm playing it in HD mode.

i've got Soul Calibur 3 on the go as well. needs more love that does.

[Asura]

HOLY SWEET ZOMBIE SCIENCE H. LOGIC!!

YOU CAN SEE MY FRICKIN HOUSE!!!

Faulty comparison. Of Halo2, MGS2 and MGS3, which game wasn't being pushed by the hardware manufacturer as a platform showcase?

That's not the issue here. He wasn't asking which was the better game; he was asking which was the biggest brand.

Personally, I would hasten to say that I'd expect the MGS brand to actually be the same size, if not bigger than Halo's.

However, I'd also argue that Need For Speed, Madden, FIFA et al. are also just as big. No commentary is being made as to the quality or artistic merit of the games in question. Hell, the 50 cent game probably beats them all.