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Edit: I replied to a post that isn't there! The forum is haunted :omg:

I found it straight away so deleted it. You must have replied almost instantly.

Anyway, yeah, it's excellent. The animation is a cut above anything else I've seen. The way he slides in to cover and the animations during fist fights are both excellent. It does look lovely and definitely feels very lived in as a world. I drove around for a bit, robbed a gun store and restaurant and then stumbled in to my objective. Had a pretty heavy wanted level at the time.

Only two concerns for me:

A lot of the footage in the end of demo showreel is from the demo itself. Makes me think this might be a very short game.

I had a bit of a 'mare in the distillery escape as I hadn't stood on the right bit of floor to trigger the explosion. Was quite annoying.

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I found it straight away so deleted it. You must have replied almost instantly.

Anyway, yeah, it's excellent. The animation is a cut above anything else I've seen. The way he slides in to cover and the animations during fist fights are both excellent. It does look lovely and definitely feels very lived in as a world. I drove around for a bit, robbed a gun store and restaurant and then stumbled in to my objective. Had a pretty heavy wanted level at the time.

Only two concerns for me:

A lot of the footage in the end of demo showreel is from the demo itself. Makes me think this might be a very short game.

I had a bit of a 'mare in the distillery escape as I hadn't stood on the right bit of floor to trigger the explosion. Was quite annoying.

Yeah the cover mechanics work really well, thankfully. I haven't tried robbing stores yet for the same reason I haven't stolen more than two cars so far: the game is so atmospheric and the setting so convincing that it simply feels wrong for me as a wise guy to commit random petty offences... it just seems out of character.

I was lucky with

the distillery escape it seems, as it went perfectly for me

Not running that great on my new machine (1GB GTX 460, i5 750, 4GB Ram). Getting between 25 - 50 fps. I am running 32bit XP though so only 2gb of ram is being used. Need to get windows 7.

I'd advise getting windows 7 anyway, not just for this particular game, but simply because it's great :)

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Erm well it's very bad idea to go from the PC version with maxed out everything straight into the console version (360) :( There's jaggies everywhere and some tearing, and while inside looks pretty decent still, outside in the city the lower-quality textures and the way they fade in is a bit disappointing if you've just played the unbelievably beautiful PC version. But as I said, there's no way the current generation of consoles would produce the same kind of graphical quality and they did do an admirable job as everything is present and correct. The framerate seems good and the draw distance is impressive. The game plays of course just as good as it does on the PC version. I would love to hear from someone who hasn't played the PC version beforehand, as it's difficult to stay objective if you did.

Oh and because I was rushing through the demo I managed to die and can now confirm there are mid-mission checkpoints which are sensibly placed :D

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If you have a decent PC you'll immediately notice the difference the moment you see your living room. The jaggies are probably the worst thing about the console version, but of course it's not something that directly impacts on the gameplay. I just fired up the PC version again and I noticed that the streets are a hell of a lot busier too, loads more pedestrians about. I'm still undecided whether to go for the PC or 360 version...

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Yeah, I just did a mission with President Sarkosy and Eric Cantona, and i'm having similar feelings, and i've not played anything other than Resident Evil 4 and Mass Effect 2.

Pros;

Porn,

Looks nice and runs well on my 18 month old machine,

Atmospheric,

Nice music/sounds,

Voice acting pretty good,

The cars have a nice weighty feeling and handle quite nicely,

Gunplay feels solid,

Regenerating health

Cons;

Porn seemed to disappear after my first play,

Weighted more towards realism than 'fun', as per Mafia 1 (a speed restrictor? Vastly more vunerable than you are in GTA, etc)

Much easier to play with a pad (another case of consolitis)

Not keen on the 'lock on' fist fighting (how do you unlock??)

If you crash, it often takes an age to right yourself

Running over ankle high flames kills you.

Bored to death of the 'take cover/wait till they pop out' mechanic, with wave after wave of identikit cannon fodder enemies,

Can't climb in/out the windows,

You can leave the taps and the shower on, yet his home remains blissfully unflooded,

Dolmio in the cupboard,

Disappearing porn

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What an absolute load of horseshit. The framerate and screen tearing are horrendous, I dread to think what this looks like via VGA. The graphics are only average, the lip syncing is shit, the gunplay is poor, the cover system is annoying as fuck ... good god, what an awful demo. Mass Effect 2 looks and plays better than this, and does it all with a nice smooth framerate.

Honestly, I'm gobsmacked by how shit this is. :|

360 demo btw.

There are a lot of similar complaints about the 360 demo on other forums, seems it's the worst performing demo of the three. (with the PC naturally being the most impressive)

I haven't played the 360 demo yet, but I think I may just wait for the PS3 demo tomorrow if it really is that bad in the performance department. :(

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Well, I played the 360 demo (couldn't resist) and I thought it was pretty good.

Some very slight slowdown during the more hectic scenes and the visuals aren't very impressive, but the gameplay is great and the world feels very alive with NPC's going about their business. :)

Definitely a day one purchase, will download the PS3 demo tomorrow to compare and decide which version to get.

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I see you get a free copy of the first game if you pre order, I've seen a few companies doing this recently and I think it's a pretty good idea. certainly better than an ingame weapon and it gives people a chance to get caught up

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I hadn't paid much attention to this as I wasn't too keen on the first one, glad I gave the demo a go it's great fun. Really enjoyed the combat, the shotgun is brilliant real weight and power to it, one of the best I've used.

Agree it feels better with the pad, especially the driving sections.

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Stuff like being so vulnerable and the speed restrictor is exactly what makes like the demo so much. There are loads of open world games out there that let you go totally crazy and do whatever within their own particular restrictions, my favourites this gen being Just Cause 2, Saint's Row 2, and the first Crackdown. Even though those three games are very different in their approach to sandbox fun, they're also all three on the 'over the top' end of the spectrum and I think there's also room for a game like Mafia 2 which is also open world but places it's emphasis firmly in immersion and atmosphere. There hasn't been one since the first Mafia game afaik, and I love how these games encourage you to play like I often find myself trying to in GTA games: adhering to the speed limit, walking on the streets instead of running, in short trying to act as if you're in an actual living breathing world and attempting to immerse yourself in the game that way. Of course in GTA such attempts never last long because the game is obviously not meant to be played that way -adhering to the speed limit is way harder than simply blasting through the streets at full pelt and walking everywhere gets really boring really quick.

In one of my first posts after playing the demo I mentioned Shenmue of all things, and if you look at the what the game is trying to do the way I describe it above, then the comparison might extend further than just the similarly explorable houses inhabited by the player in both games - because both games place a huge emphasis on player immersion and do so by attempting to create a believable gaming world where the distractions and collectibles are grounded in reality (instead of icons that you touch to start a rampaging side mission for example) There's loads and loads of little touches and detail that only serve to add to the atmosphere and not much else.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I love the Mafia series for what they are and what they try to achieve and for those who like more freedom or more crazy action in their sandbox games there's thankfully plenty of other quality games to choose from. I think I'll go for the PC version on day one :)

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Yeah, it just feels better using a pad with this particular game.

I hadn't paid much attention to this as I wasn't too keen on the first one, glad I gave the demo a go it's great fun. Really enjoyed the combat, the shotgun is brilliant real weight and power to it, one of the best I've used.

Agree it feels better with the pad, especially the driving sections.

Thirded. The game feels a little clunky with the keyboard.

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Stuff like being so vulnerable and the speed restrictor is exactly what makes like the demo so much. Yadda yadda...

I've given it another play, and i'm starting to agree with you actually. GTA has always been cartoony and OTT, whilst this has a more serious and down to earth tone. But really, if you must die from bumping the car, I want to be thrown through the window occassionally. :D

My biggest problem I think, and one which could've been easily sorted, is the controls. They're a mess. It's X to interact, then A to select, then Y to get in a car, then B to handbrake. Then you have those fights, which you must first initiate, and then use B, Y and X...and you don't seem to be able to initiate a scrap with a woman (unlucky Bruce)!!

Also, where the fuck did the porn go? I'm surely not the only one that saw the copy of PLAYBOY in the kitchen? Did they do a stealth-removal or what?*

Edit: Talking of stealth, is there a way to strangle people from behind? There appears to be a 'sneak' mode...although maybe that's just crouch.

*Edit: There's apparently five magazines in the demo.

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Damn it, i'm really starting to enjoy this despite my complaints. If a mod community was to ever arise, this could be the best game ever with a few tweaks and additions. I don't suppose that is likely to happen, mind.

A nice touch - run into a police officer a few times, and he asks you for your ID. However, stand on his car like a lunatic, and he doesn't mind. :doh:

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Stuff like being so vulnerable and the speed restrictor is exactly what makes like the demo so much. There are loads of open world games out there that let you go totally crazy and do whatever within their own particular restrictions, my favourites this gen being Just Cause 2, Saint's Row 2, and the first Crackdown. Even though those three games are very different in their approach to sandbox fun, they're also all three on the 'over the top' end of the spectrum and I think there's also room for a game like Mafia 2 which is also open world but places it's emphasis firmly in immersion and atmosphere. There hasn't been one since the first Mafia game afaik, and I love how these games encourage you to play like I often find myself trying to in GTA games: adhering to the speed limit, walking on the streets instead of running, in short trying to act as if you're in an actual living breathing world and attempting to immerse yourself in the game that way. Of course in GTA such attempts never last long because the game is obviously not meant to be played that way -adhering to the speed limit is way harder than simply blasting through the streets at full pelt and walking everywhere gets really boring really quick.

In one of my first posts after playing the demo I mentioned Shenmue of all things, and if you look at the what the game is trying to do the way I describe it above, then the comparison might extend further than just the similarly explorable houses inhabited by the player in both games - because both games place a huge emphasis on player immersion and do so by attempting to create a believable gaming world where the distractions and collectibles are grounded in reality (instead of icons that you touch to start a rampaging side mission for example) There's loads and loads of little touches and detail that only serve to add to the atmosphere and not much else.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I love the Mafia series for what they are and what they try to achieve and for those who like more freedom or more crazy action in their sandbox games there's thankfully plenty of other quality games to choose from. I think I'll go for the PC version on day one :)

Nice post. Never really liked the GTA games because the tone of the game is very cartoony, tongue in cheek, humor stuff etc. Can't properly get immersed in the game because of this. I prefer the more serious tone of Mafia.

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Very cool demo.

Doesn't run that great on my 3 year old laptop but at least it runs.

Driving feels great. Shooting feels very visceral. Magazines and music are classy.

I shall be buying this (tempted by steam pre-order as I have no idea where my copy of the original is).

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Not running that great on my new machine (1GB GTX 460, i5 750, 4GB Ram). Getting between 25 - 50 fps. I am running 32bit XP though so only 2gb of ram is being used. Need to get windows 7.

It's running great on mine, which is slightly worse specced, but with a 64-bit version of Windows 7. So yeah, probably that.

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Just had a go with the demo and it sure is a hit or miss graphically speaking. As said the tearing is rather apparent in the player's crib and the aliasing is rampant but when it does 'hit' the game shines like no other. The amount of detail put in each environment is astonishing and makes every scene come to life. Tearing or no tearing the house is beautifully done.

At first this wasn't really on my radar, even though I'm a huge fan of the first Mafia but I simply wasn't sure on how it was going to look or play on consoles. Now I'm fairly sure I'll get this on 360. Instead of waiting another 3 years until I get my own PC which can run this in all its glory.

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