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Cheers for the advice there, but I don't really mind if their codex is out of date - power creep or no, the flavour matters more to me than the quality of the army in game-terms.

That being said, I've ended up deciding against going for a DH/IG allied force, simply due to real world pricing - the IG would just be prohibitively expensive.

Well, that and the fact that, as someone with an absolute beginner's level of painting skill, the large number of small and fiddly models of the IG, plus the relatively complicated designs of the Imperium's gothic-styled vehicles, would probably be overwhelming.

So, in a complete u-turn, I've decided to go for a race that's a little cheaper, and made up of units made up of clean lines, lending themselves well to flat shading - the Tau. Plus, of course, I get to indulge in my love of flying vehicles and mechs :lol: (albeit mechs that are generally less attractive the gothic joy of the dreadnoughts). Though, ironically, it's the infantry that sold me - I just really like the design of the fire warriors, and look forward to making a clean, bone-white army (with purple detail).

Tau are fucking cheese, may you rot in hell.

Imp Guard forevs, even if it meant I lost every sodding game.

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Tau are nice - in a doomed attempt to start an army, the Tau was the one I went for. I got to about three I think before I decided I just couldn't cope and decided to give armies a wide berth in the future!

Only thing I'd say about your colour scheme is that painting lots of whites can be an absolute mare when it comes to coverage - it's always doable, but for an army I'd probably get more than a little pissed off with it after a while. Pale blues highlighting up to white might be an easier way to do things.

Could you explain a little further? Assume I know nothing about painting,* and am unsure what you mean about it being horrible when it comes to coverage? Guess I could always invert the colour scheme, though I'd have to use a relatively light purple to not overwhelm the design - a pale lilac, or summat. Though then white detailing wouldn't really stand out... possibly a strong orange or green would be best.

Tau are fucking cheese, may you rot in hell.

Imp Guard forevs, even if it meant I lost every sodding game.

Well, I've never played them (or, er, Warhammer 40k at all), so I wouldn't know from experience! Though, before I made my decision I did check around to try and work out if I was accidentally playing a completely broken or cheesy army, and this analysis seemed to suggest otherwise, so... (and I thought IG were meant to be fairly good since their codex was released? Again, from reading around, and Ste S in this thread)

*because I know nothing about painting

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Could you explain a little further? Assume I know nothing about painting,* and am unsure what you mean about it being horrible when it comes to coverage? Guess I could always invert the colour scheme, though I'd have to use a relatively light purple to not overwhelm the design - a pale lilac, or summat. Though then white detailing wouldn't really stand out... possibly a strong orange or green would be best.

White paint is always a bit of an odd one to use in 'bulk'. I assume it's something to do with the pigments in it, but it tends to be fairly thick (certainly GW ones), so unless you thin it out quite a bit, it'll go on your figure a bit blotchy. However, when you thin the white and make it easier to paint on, it becomes much more transparent (obviously!), so you need many more layers to get effective coverage.

Also, you then get into the whole mess that is working out shading and highlighting. The easiest thing to do is base coat the area in a slightly darker shade (not much though) - it then makes applying the white much easier, and also lets you use the white is more of a highlight than anything else. The effect will still be 'white' to the eyes, but a much more realistic white.

Not completely sure if that helped much :lol: I'm fucking useless at explaining things...

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I just managed to win an unopened Space Hulk(2009) on ebay for a non-ridiculous £77, which I'm pretty chuffed about :lol:

I'll probably never play it, but I'm having a mid-life crisis so I don't care.

There are solo rules which I must admit work quite well ;)

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White paint is always a bit of an odd one to use in 'bulk'. I assume it's something to do with the pigments in it, but it tends to be fairly thick (certainly GW ones), so unless you thin it out quite a bit, it'll go on your figure a bit blotchy. However, when you thin the white and make it easier to paint on, it becomes much more transparent (obviously!), so you need many more layers to get effective coverage.

Also, you then get into the whole mess that is working out shading and highlighting. The easiest thing to do is base coat the area in a slightly darker shade (not much though) - it then makes applying the white much easier, and also lets you use the white is more of a highlight than anything else. The effect will still be 'white' to the eyes, but a much more realistic white.

Not completely sure if that helped much ;) I'm fucking useless at explaining things...

No, that's helpful to know thanks - what you're saying is that it's too thick to use neat, and watering it down makes it a faff to apply, and yeah, I guessed highlighting would be something of a challenge on a pure white!

Still, I'll give it a go. Hell, my standards are low anyway - I may well find I'm happy with the white provided by a sprayed-on undercoat, leaving me just with detailing work :lol:

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Well, I've never played them (or, er, Warhammer 40k at all), so I wouldn't know from experience! Though, before I made my decision I did check around to try and work out if I was accidentally playing a completely broken or cheesy army, and this analysis seemed to suggest otherwise, so... (and I thought IG were meant to be fairly good since their codex was released? Again, from reading around, and Ste S in this thread)

IG regulary place in the top ten in most tournaments (if not win them), so there's certainley nothing the matter with the codex.

Playing Tau might be an uphill battle, as they're very vulnerable to being assaulted and their transports are overcosted compared to the newer codicies. As you've mentioned though, you have to like the minis as painting the same model over and over can sap your will to live !

Anyhoo, despite that, I think the power of the codex can be overstated. I play Dark Angels (similarly regarded as an under powered codex) and seem to do alright against newer armies such as Space Wolves and Tyranids.

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IG regulary place in the top ten in most tournaments (if not win them), so there's certainley nothing the matter with the codex.

Playing Tau might be an uphill battle, as they're very vulnerable to being assaulted and their transports are overcosted compared to the newer codicies. As you've mentioned though, you have to like the minis as painting the same model over and over can sap your will to live !

Anyhoo, despite that, I think the power of the codex can be overstated. I play Dark Angels (similarly regarded as an under powered codex) and seem to do alright against newer armies such as Space Wolves and Tyranids.

Aye, I've since read around further, and have seen an awful lot of people complaining about how difficult it is to play Tau (especially on objective maps, thanks to their poor range of Troops), with them needing to work in co-ordination in order to succeed due to significant specialisation on their own part. And, of course, their lolworthy leadership and close-combat skills. Which all makes me keener to play them, as it sounds like they're an army you can never just sit back and let do the work for you (and also sounds like one where you can regularly sit back and wonder at half your units running towards the edges of the table at full-pelt, but hey!).

Will just have to see how I work around the white colourscheme issue (or, indeed, if I give up on it entirely) - probably won't try painting until May though, when I'm back from France, as I don't fancy purchasing all the paints I need only to have to lug them across the channel. Especially spray paints, which I'm sure would present some interesting problems when flying. So for now, I'll satisfy myself with constructing some of the smaller units (starting with pathfinders and gun drones, as I'll be needing both and the starter kit doesn't contain enough of either), and biding my time. No point building the vehicles, as I'd rather make sure their internals are painted before they're cemented together. Plus, again, transport considerations.

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You think I'd be dumb enough to miss out on twin-linked railguns? Man! Only pity is that the broadsides are a bit dull in terms of design (though the Forge World variants are lovely). Opposite problem with the stealth mechs, actually - the 'old' suits (the smaller, newer ones) look lovely, but everything I've read tells me they're a waste of an Elite slot.

(all that said, I do want a hammerhead, because they look fantastic. Off-centre turrets really do it for me :()

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Stealth suits can be really expensive, my squad of five costs 217 points when I field them. But yeah xv8's are a better choice for the fact that they're tougher, have more wounds and can take more weapons. Have to be careful when talking about the stealth suits though, as there are two versions of them, the really old really small metal ones and the new slightly larger plastic ones, personally I really like the look of the plastic ones, but I know quite a few people who prefer the old metal ones.

Anyway, broadsides, butt ugly but they do the job well, shame the forgeworld ones are so expensive, otherwise I think everyone would use them.

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Ah, I was under the impression that the small metal ones were the newer ones, clearly I was mistaken. But yeah, I'm in the 'prefers the small ones' camp. And not just for LOS reasons -_-

It is a bit sad that one of the most essential pieces of Tau kit is so bland looking, as they're a gorgeous army aside from the broadsides.* If I wanted to play with ugly-ass Battletech/Heavy Gear mechs, I would!

The points cost of the transports is another big stumbling block, as Ste S mentioned. Means there's no way I can afford more than one for my 1,500 point army, which means it's necessarily relegated to Pathfinder duties. I can actually see the Tau working a lot better as a high-point army than a low-point one, as they need a fair amount of points just to make sure all their bases are covered (unlike, say, Space Marines). At 1,500 points there's relatively little room for manoeuvre, as juggling anti-tank, anti-mob and anti-heavy infantry while also having enough troops to take objectives dictates a lot of your choices (though at least in terms of AT there's plenty of choices, with piranhas, broadsides and hammerheads to choose from. Plus crisis suits, in a pinch).

The one thing about the Tau which really disappoints me, though, is their hero units. Farsight's just an inconceivable choice thanks to the limits he places on your army (who wants to have their unit choices made for them?), Aun'va has the same problem as every ethereal (what's that, he fell in battle? Entire army takes a leadership test! And he's configured as a close combat character. With only two bodyguard. And his main ability is to grant units fearless, meaning your Tau will be stuck in CC until they get wiped out. Fuck off.), and Shadowsun... is the 'least bad', in that she has a useful ability (gifting her leadership to nearby units), but being configured for short range anti-tank work with only a 3+ save, 3 wounds, and no bodyguard bar her drones... not so good. Which is a pity, as she has a fantastic model, which tempts me to pick her over a Shas'O with C'n'C node. We'll see if aesthetic preferences dictate my decisions more than tactical concerns.

*well, I'd be hard-pressed to call Kroot or Stingwings 'gorgeous' either, but at least they have character!

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I've always quite liked the broadside models myself.

Anyway, started work on the green stuff on my shaggoth for my warhammer army. The body when it's finished will be about half as big again (or maybe a bit more) but I need to know where everything is positioned for the moment. The plan is for it to be a minotaur style torso scaled up to shaggoth size. It's probably the biggest thing i've attempted to do with greenstuff so i'm trying to take it slow for now.

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My boy went into the Warhammer shop place at the weekend and they said they wouldnt do any of the lessons with him unless he bought a big kit. He got misty eyed, and walked out. Leaving me stood there like a lemon.

:) It's a business first as harsh as that sounds.

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My boy went into the Warhammer shop place at the weekend and they said they wouldnt do any of the lessons with him unless he bought a big kit. He got misty eyed, and walked out. Leaving me stood there like a lemon.

That seems a bit harsh. Was it a Games Workshop? Have you both been into that particular shop before for a demo game or painting intro? It's usually no problem for someone to have a go to see if they like it first with no obligation to buy. You can't expect people to spend £50 or so for something they perhaps don't fully understand and may not like.

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Aye, she had been in there previously (assuming it's the same one):

We happened to walk past the GW shop in Oxford yesterday, and thought we'd pop in for a quick look on the way back to the car. God almighty we were there for over an hour, Dean and I painted models then he had a 'learners' battle and the guys there were just brilliant. Very nerdy, but brilliant. I have never known shop staff to live and breathe their product/game so much, the enthusiasm was quite stunning. They have recruited a young new fan into their cult now.

Which I guess is why they refused. Surprised they insisted on a big box though - no offer of 'get a squad and we'll teach you how best to make/paint it'.

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The trouble is, well, finding a nice friendly independent at all in the first place, but more than that, finding a nice friendly independent where you can play games and paint. Some offer the former. Very few the latter.

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I guess GW has changed since I was wee, I went into one for a quick browse when I was 13, played a quick round or two of Necromunda, and walked out with the hardback rulebook, a pack of Orlocks and some new scatter dice.

Asking for a sale first up is always risky.

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My boy went into the Warhammer shop place at the weekend and they said they wouldnt do any of the lessons with him unless he bought a big kit. He got misty eyed, and walked out. Leaving me stood there like a lemon.

I'd write a letter of complaint to Head Office, pointing out this is not a way to recruit new customers.

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I'd write a letter of complaint to Head Office, pointing out this is not a way to recruit new customers.

If it's the same shop then he has been a regular from what GH has said so far, they were bound to say something eventually so there's not much to complain about. I'm sure if she had bought one of the smaller painting kits and a couple of figures for around £20 they would have let him keep visiting and learning to paint.

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The trouble is, well, finding a nice friendly independent at all in the first place, but more than that, finding a nice friendly independent where you can play games and paint. Some offer the former. Very few the latter.

I went into my local independant yesterday for the first time in ages. Strange mix of stock, bits of stuff here, bits of stuff there, without really seeming to have a lot of any one product. I was after a can of Army Painter grey spray, and luckily they had just the one dust covered can. Took ages for the guy to acknowledge my presence at the till (despite being the only other person in the shop) and take my money. Makes me actually miss the GW approach !

On a side note, has anyone used the Army Painter sprays before ? Don't seem to be as good as the GW ones and tend to gloop up the details

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Looking a lot less weedy now :wub:

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Still needs a bit of bulking out but it's nearly there. It needs raising up on it's base and I think, and the front legs are going to need the joint where they meet the body moving up a bit to where the green stuff meets the stegadon body.

It's turning out a lot better than I was expecting for a first attempt, but it's also a lot bigger than I was expecting. You can see the Terminators just behind it for a bit of a comparison for height. Considering I need to build 2 of these and have most of the rest of the army to build November suddenly doesn't seem that far away.

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If it's the same shop then he has been a regular from what GH has said so far, they were bound to say something eventually so there's not much to complain about. I'm sure if she had bought one of the smaller painting kits and a couple of figures for around £20 they would have let him keep visiting and learning to paint.

He's only been the once, just before Christmas.

We were under the impression he could go in and have some fun and learn a bit before spending his saved up pocket money on something that he didnt quite know what to do with.

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Back in the day when GW cared about customer service that was indeed how things worked but since their focus changed to, "how much money can we get out of those money bags?" customer service has gone out of the window. Which is a real shame because GW's customer service was one of it's strong points.

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