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There's been discussion about leaking in the Discussion folder since the Jeff Grubb being hideously wrong about a Nintendo Direct a few weeks ago and yeah, leaks are shit. Internet culture, innit. It's got to the point where people are constantly craving information and news about their interests that they'll get I any way they can, but the hit is so short lived they need the next one almost immediately. 

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thing is though.... are we talking genuine leaks RE: GW, or "leaks" which come on... it doesn't take a master in subterfuge and espionage to note that GW have been on purposely releasing "leaks" to garner traction in their carefully planned out PR schedule over the last few years. Even yesterday, in the GW Imperial guard section there was a small picture of the new Codex which they hyped up that they couldn't show, which showed a new Lord Commander on golden horseback on the cover and there was leaked imagery of a new Guard tank kicking around shortly before the show started.

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26 minutes ago, Nicky said:

thing is though.... are we talking genuine leaks RE: GW, or "leaks" which come on... it doesn't take a master in subterfuge and espionage to note that GW have been on purposely releasing "leaks" to garner traction in their carefully planned out PR schedule over the last few years. Even yesterday, in the GW Imperial guard section there was a small picture of the new Codex which they hyped up that they couldn't show, which showed a new Lord Commander on golden horseback on the cover and there was leaked imagery of a new Guard tank kicking around shortly before the show started.

 

 

I mean, you can look at stuff like a preview show where easter eggs are dropped in with full knowledge and understanding that the community are going to go over them and it will generate excitement and I'm 100% with you. That is planned marketing, obviously. I'd hazard a guess the tank is an actual leak if it wasn't shown on Warhammer Community. The literal internal guidance is "if it's not on Warhammer Community, you cannot talk about it".

 

The other stuff - potato-cam shit - is absolutely not from GW. I can tell you that with absolute, 100% certainty.

 

It creates distrust and heartache within the company, stress and aggro for the teams who see all their hard work undone in a heartbeat so that someone can score internet points at best, or remain anonymous and get shits and giggles at worst. It's costing jobs, it's causing hassle for suppliers (because some leaks come from them), it means 'influencers' get less access to things, and it is going to damage the relationship between GW and its community because things get more and more secretive again.

 

And, as we see now, it damages the community's relationship with the game because they spend all their time second guessing what's going on and are often disappointed by what they see given they've already seen it.

 

None of this is the fault of the wider community, obviously - just specific people who feed the habit for their own purposes and to enhance their own standing. I actually despise those people.

 

(I say this as someone who could relatively easily go and and find out a whole bunch of stuff and leak it - but I don't even do the first bit of that because I don't want to ruin my own enjoyment of the hobby).

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12 hours ago, Pelekophoros said:

 

The other stuff - potato-cam shit - is absolutely not from GW. I can tell you that with absolute, 100% certainty.

 

 

with all due respect, we can't really take that as a certainty though, because a GW staffer would have to say that. As anything else would be admitting that GW leak their own stuff and you couldn't put yourself in a position which seems to state anything other than your certain that GW arent on purpose leaking things. It's going to have to exist as an unknown.

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You've literally gone from

 

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it doesn't take a master in subterfuge and espionage to note that GW have been on purposely releasing "leaks" to garner traction in their carefully planned out PR schedule

 

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It's going to have to exist as an unknown.

 

in a single pair of posts.

 

I'll stop posting in this thread now though. Not being huffy, but I don't really like some of what you're implying (conceptually) and I recognise that I can't get past that unless I leave my job!

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On 09/10/2022 at 08:39, Pelekophoros said:

What it does do is create a standalone game type, which is the second key thing. Boarding Actions looks like KillTeam Big: 500 point, infantry only battles on a smaller board (I assume).

That looks ace. Way back in the day, I used to build space hulks out of the various floor plan sets I owned, along with actual Space Hulk board pieces and play small games of 40K (were probably talking Rogue Trader era) against my brother. We had a few house rules for stuff like flamers, heavy weapons, snap fire and so on. Terminators were always king, though. Which is what they were designed for...

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1 hour ago, Pelekophoros said:

 

I'll stop posting in this thread now though. Not being huffy, but I don't really like some of what you're implying (conceptually) and I recognise that I can't get past that unless I leave my job!

 

Please don't! I did a bit of an "Oof! That's not very nice" at Nicky's post, but I don't think he meant anything by it.

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7 hours ago, Nicky said:

with all due respect, we can't really take that as a certainty though, because a GW staffer would have to say that. As anything else would be admitting that GW leak their own stuff and you couldn't put yourself in a position which seems to state anything other than your certain that GW arent on purpose leaking things. It's going to have to exist as an unknown.

 

I don't work for GW, but I know a few people who do, and they are definitely genuinely infuriated by the leaks.

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18 minutes ago, Davros sock drawer said:

 

Please don't! I did a bit of an "Oof! That's not very nice" at Nicky's post, but I don't think he meant anything by it.

 

I've genuinely not taken offence at it, there is no bad blood at all and I'm risking looking like a prima donna responding now. Awks!
 

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I'll take some time to reflect on how I can engage with this wonderful corner of the internet, that I draw so much enjoyment from, while making sure I don't get sacked and don't come across like a bullshitter. Which, to be clear, I'm not! I post about the stuff that genuinely excites me and that I am allowed to.

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Intentional leaks (or sneak peeks, really) from the company themselves are a marketing strategy and as such they should be signed off and agreed ages in advance with all teams involved to generate buzz and excitement. It’s all about controlling the narrative- you show them what you think will get them the most hyped and excited for more. It is a proactive approach. 
 

Actual, proper, NDA or IP breaking leaks are absolutely shit for the company because it completely undermines any marketing buzz that could have been created. This is especially true when leaks are of rough WIP stuff nowhere near ready for public consumption. You have no control of the narrative, you’re forced into reactive firefighting mode and that’s never a good place to be. 

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They're still in need of finishing (I've not even filled in their lenses yet, never mind tidied up the shading) but I had to get my sicarians tabletop ready for this morning, and this was the end result; I'm quite pleased with them!

 

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On the general GW news front, I am quite interested in the new Boarding Action setup; a scenario bridging the gap between skirmish and mass 40k sounds quite appealing. Though I am tickled that, shortly after a metawatch that couldn't escape from the fact that AdMech are the least successful army in 40k proper, they're bringing in a new mode that emphasises close combat and bans vehicles, which I'm sure will really help the *checks notes* army made up primarily of snipers and anti-vehicle weapons, and whose most reliable close combat units are technically classed as "bikers" (because they have caterpillar tracks) and are thus ineligible for the new mode. No breaching space hulks for Kataphron Breachers, it turns out!

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It is a nice shade, and in this case very much an "out of the pot" colour; that's pure Baharroth Blue used for all the cloaks and armour (with Sotek Green used for deep shading; the two can be blended nicely if you want soft shading, but I'm intentionally keeping them flat as I like the flat-shaded look. And I'm lazy).

 

The only real trick relies on being applied in a thin layer or two over a white (or off-white) base to keep the clean, flat look; doesn't look so good if splatted on thick, and you'll fight to get it to show up on black.

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3 hours ago, JoeK said:

 

Well, that's definitely a trip to town to pick up this colour. My unending quest to buy all the turquoise-esque colours continues!

 

 

 

It's when that logic begins to creep into your home decor that you have to start to worry...

 

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The cyan wall paint is Valspar's "Paradise Sky", in case anyone else wants a wonderfully gaudy gallery wall. And the pink is the woefully misnamed "Ceremonial Ochre".

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56 minutes ago, Wiper said:

 

It's when that logic begins to creep into your home decor that you have to start to worry...

 

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The cyan wall paint is Valspar's "Paradise Sky", in case anyone else wants a wonderfully gaudy gallery wall. And the pink is the woefully misnamed "Ceremonial Ochre".

 

If you could have gone down a notch on that pink, your wall could have looked like giant joycons!!!

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19 hours ago, womblingfree said:

I know absolutely nothing about Warhammer but my nephew is into it. He has the starter-set so far.

 

What should I get him for Christmas to add to his Warhammering? 

 

Like all things, it's probably best to get someone to ask him - there are so many things that getting the wrong thing will inevitably lead to the table-top equivalent of a Steam grey list.

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I've played it a bit.  This was a few "editions" ago, so I'm not sure if the focus has changed, but it seemed to me much more like a board game than a tabletop game.  It's still fun though.  The best thing about it in my opinion is that it has arguably the best line of miniatures GW produce.  Some of the warbands you can get are stunning.

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Yeah, it's very much "board game" rather than skirmish game — that's not a criticism, just a thing to be aware of! Your other option for small-scale use of Warhammer Fantasy Age of Sigmar miniatures is Warcry, which is more of a "proper" skirmish game. It, like Underworlds, has some premade warband you can use, but it also allows you to build your own from standard AoS miniatures; I could make a Warcry list using my night goblin grot squig models, for example. I imagine they'd be less competitive/interesting than the dedicated warbands (much as is the case with Kill Team), but they're an option!

 

I've not actually played Warcry, so can't comment on it very much, besides noting that its rules are available for free from Warhammer Community so it's easy to try, and that I have a friend who plays it and enjoys it.

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I’ve played Underworlds for a good few seasons now. It’s a great game, relatively simple to pick up but with a lot of tactical depth. As others have said, it has some fantastic miniatures and only having to paint 3 to 9 models to finish a warband is a big plus.

 

There’s a deck building side to it but recent seasons (and the new season that’s coming out in particular, it seems) have made it more accessible by having ready made “rivals” decks in the main box. So you can go as lightly or deeply into that side of things as you like.

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In general, how long do GW sets and miniatures stay in print for?

 

I fancy the Gellerpox Infected kill team set. I gather it was reissued relatively recently. I don't want to add to my pile of shame right now, but maybe will be in a position to pick it up in 6 months - am I safe to wait that long or will it go out of stock and not get reprinted before then? Is there a rule of thumb as regards this stuff, particularly the more niche stuff?

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I'm not sure about long term availability but some of the earlier Kill Team sets are still available like the Tau Pathfinders and Novitites, even from GW's website. Google says those came out September 2021 so I'd say you might be safe to wait a few months for the newer sets.

 

I've just snapped up the Gellerpox and Elucidian Starstriders sets because both had been going for silly prices as singles on Ebay, and I want both for a custom Blackstone Fortress expansion. So many salty scalper tears now their £100 Gnasher Screamer is worth considerably less.

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