Games Workshop, An Appreciation Thread

[Davros sock drawer]

I watched that one too. I thought the "Dip" method one he did was the best of the three. I've never tried that though, seems a messy faff!

 

 

[ChewMagma]

I didn't like the "wait 48 hours for it to dry" part, otherwise I'd give it a go. Pleasingly old school though.

 

Tbh with the right colour scheme you could just slap Agrax all over it and that would be my personal "speed painting" recommendation.

[Captain Kelsten]

1 hour ago, Pelekophoros said:

"Slapchop" arose from The Honest Wargamer who's a prominent voice amongst a niche within a niche (tournament gaming) and layered with sarcasm. He specifically singled out slapchop as a way to get an army to a table quickly, while it was a viable army, and without spending eons of time on a thing that may drop out of the meta very soon afterwards.

 

By "quickly" he called out that he meant "outside the tournament centre" or "the night before".

 

That the technique has been quickly seized upon is primarily a result of YT content creators needing something that drives views. THG's video was, by an absolute country mile, the biggest he's ever launched and it gained a lot of traction. What then happens is everyone else jumps on to it, some people start exploring how you can push the technique further and JH sits there wondering what he's been doing wrong for the past couple of years to have not had this success.

 

This dogpile for views has actually diluted what was, in terms of the content THW put live, a very competent and clever tutorial. He very clearly talks about how to layer up and create edge highlights and depth, about diluting your contrast paints and a bunch of other things. I recommend using his tutorial against most others.

 

I used it - unknowingly - on my Necromunda figures and it worked well there, but I wouldn't use it on everything. I 100% agree with @Cockythat picking a technique and sticking with it will give you better results over time, so I'm trying to focus on two things now ; a good approach to rank and file painting, and a good approach to character painting. Will see where I end up, but slapchop isn't in the mis really

 

Let’s see your Necromunda stuff! 

[Pelekophoros]

2 hours ago, Captain Kelsten said:

 

Let’s see your Necromunda stuff! 

 

I think they're already in the thread somewhere, but these are  my Delaque and Escher gangs. Almost 100% slapchop.
 

 

 

[ChewMagma]

Is that using 100% contrast paints or a mix of different paints?

[Pelekophoros]

10 hours ago, ChewMagma said:

Is that using 100% contrast paints or a mix of different paints?

 

The Delaque are contrast apart from the bronze metal details and the heads (pallid wych flesh I believe).

 

Escher are 100% contrast, though I recall doing a few models yellow details with a GW glaze. There are more than in the pictures. You can't get that any more and I'd be happy replacing it with the new contrast yellows anyway (perhaps thinned? Dunno). 

 

On all of them there was a need to go back and re-base some areas with grey seer. The green details on Delaque, jewels and feathers on Escher. But then it's just contrast back over that.

 

The method works well for quick Necromunda gangs, but compared to a traditionally painted gangs (even just to battle ready) they only look passable on the table. And that was my goal, so I was happy.

 

It's a method which photographs well and gets your models painted. It does not improve your technical skills - at all - and won't increase your speed with traditional methods either. 

 

It is, however, very motivating!

[Davros sock drawer]

I dunno, I personally think that any time you put brush to a model you improve your skills in some way. I’m definitely more accurate with application of contrast paints than I was, partly because constantly re-applying the primer colour and then the contrast again is such a ball ache!

 

Also, there is a knack to applying contrast paints when using them in the “normal” one coat and done application (as opposed to glazing). I promise I’m not affiliated to him, but this video is a great guide. It’s not immediately obvious that you initially need to put a lot more on than you’d think, and using a larger brush:

 

 

 

The part with the shoulder pad is especially instructive, IMO.

 

[Pelekophoros]

10 minutes ago, Davros sock drawer said:

I dunno, I personally think that any time you put brush to a model you improve your skills in some way. I’m definitely more accurate with application of contrast paints than I was, partly because constantly re-applying the primer colour and then the contrast again is such a ball ache!

 

Also, there is a knack to applying contrast paints when using them in the “normal” one coat and done application (as opposed to glazing). I promise I’m not affiliated to him, but this video is a great guide. It’s not immediately obvious that you initially need to put a lot more on than you’d think, and using a larger brush:

 

 

 

The part with the shoulder pad is especially instructive, IMO.

 

 

That's fair. I'll change my statement to; it has not improved my technical skills at all, because I am an ape

 

[feltmonkey]

I think this has been posted before, in relation to "Slap-Chop" but Marco Frisoni's video on grisaille painting is excellent, and really shows how you can use essentially the same idea to produce miniatures that have much better contrast, values, and more controlled light placement than just drybrushing light grey onto dark grey. Drybrushing is great, I use it for certain things. It's not going to give you zenithal highlights of shapes generally though, unless you're very good at controlling exactly what you're doing. Even then you're going to get a scratchy, textured highlight, which might be exactly what you're going for, but might not be appropriate if you're trying to paint something that looks very sleek and smooth.

 

I see that Marco has renamed the video to include the phrase "posh slap-chop" which is pretty funny, but this came out a long time before Rob from The Honest Wargamer got involved.

 

 

[ChewMagma]

1 hour ago, Davros sock drawer said:

I dunno, I personally think that any time you put brush to a model you improve your skills in some way. I’m definitely more accurate with application of contrast paints than I was, partly because constantly re-applying the primer colour and then the contrast again is such a ball ache!

 

Also, there is a knack to applying contrast paints when using them in the “normal” one coat and done application (as opposed to glazing). I promise I’m not affiliated to him, but this video is a great guide. It’s not immediately obvious that you initially need to put a lot more on than you’d think, and using a larger brush:

 

 

 

The part with the shoulder pad is especially instructive, IMO.

 

 

I tell you what if nothing else it improves your brush control because getting contrast in the wrong area is an absolute pain in the arse.

[Captain Novaforce]

Here's my mess. I'm somewhat regretting making Soviet marines following the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Luckily they are just transfers so could take them off and just say they are blood angels successors.

[feltmonkey]

On 24/11/2022 at 09:10, Davros sock drawer said:

 

According to this post on Youtube, all Artis Opus brushes are re-branded Rosemary & Co, but then JH is an affiliate, so...

 

 

 

 

I don't think this is quite correct. I'm possibly in a position to know but I don't for sure, but my understanding is that Artis Opus brushes are made by Rosemary and Co, but they're not direct rebadges of Series 33 etc. They're made in the same factory, with the same sable, but the design and specifications are different. They aren't the same brush with the handle painted white.

 

Rosemary and Co are fantastic brushes though, really good quality and amazing value. The only fault I have found with them is that they seem to have a slight tendency to sometimes split and fray quicker than the more expensive brushes, but part of that is down to my own poor brush care.

[Davros sock drawer]

That makes more sense. Same brushes but not a deliberate re-badge.

 

I agree that the R&Co brushes don’t last very long - but they’re also not that expensive. They’re my favourite brushes so far anyway.  

[ScouserInExile]

If you're posting pics of having too many minis, I'm going to post pics of my brother's spare room....

 

 

 

What the pics don't really show is that the shelves are a good 40-50 minis deep. Each shelf holds into 4 figures of erm .. figures. 

 

 

All these boxes are full of minus on sprues 

[Cocky]

6 hours ago, Davros sock drawer said:

That makes more sense. Same brushes but not a deliberate re-badge.

 

I agree that the R&Co brushes don’t last very long - but they’re also not that expensive. They’re my favourite brushes so far anyway.  

 

I've never had much luck with the good quality brushes and right now there's an import ban on kolinsky sable to the US which has pushed up the prices. Th r&c series 99 is the best regular sable brush I've found and with the price of $4 I don't worry about the short life span. Plus, if I pay the few extra dollars for the top shipping rate I can get next day delivery which shouldn't be physically possible.

[moosegrinder]

So this is the way I was painting the Plague Bastards before.

 

 

Then I found this wonderfully obnoxious contrast paint

 

Basically I want to make shit as lurid and stupid as possible. Who would I look to for this style of painting? Like almost cartoon ish styles. I don't fancy trial and erroring it.

 

[Captain Novaforce]

Louise Sugden at GW goes for mad colours, I follow her on Instagram. Like neon stuff 

[Pelekophoros]

On 26/11/2022 at 08:48, moosegrinder said:

So this is the way I was painting the Plague Bastards before.

 

 

Then I found this wonderfully obnoxious contrast paint

 

Basically I want to make shit as lurid and stupid as possible. Who would I look to for this style of painting? Like almost cartoon ish styles. I don't fancy trial and erroring it.

 

 

Emma Svennson I'd an obvious inspiration you should look up. Literally what you are trying to do.

 

Away from that, I'd be looking at Tyrannid colour schemes. They have a tendency to bright and lurid, and you can totally lift that and apply it to another model type. 

[Captain Kelsten]

10 hours ago, Pelekophoros said:

 

Emma Svennson I'd an obvious inspiration you should look up. Literally what you are trying to do.

 

Away from that, I'd be looking at Tyrannid colour schemes. They have a tendency to bright and lurid, and you can totally lift that and apply it to another model type. 

Went to look her up and my word, you’re not wrong. 
 

Can’t say it’s to my taste personally, but there’s no doubt she’s got a very unique style and some of it is incredibly painted and intricate. 
 

@moosegrinder I’d also recommend Dana Howl, she tends to swing towards the neon side of the colour spectrum, although not to the extent of Emma Svensson. 

 

[Pelekophoros]

I think it'd be possibly to take Svennson's technical approach (the cross hatching) and apply it in a different way whilst still getting the lurid stupidity of it across. It's glorious.

 

Love those pieces by Dana Howl though. 

[Oracle]

Her pieces suit orks rather than other faction I think. 
 

 

[JoeK]

Well, it's definitely different, and well done in terms of what I assume she's wanting to achieve. I don't particularly like them though I'm afraid. I don't 'get' the colour choices at all

[Davros sock drawer]

I'm not really sure what that style is, but it is recognisable. And featured in White Dwarf.

 

More to my taste, there's a painter on Insta who does amazing Comic book style orks. 

 

https://www.instagram.com/_thunderbrush_/?hl=en

 

 

Looks simple, but I bet it's not, and its so well executed!

[Davros sock drawer]

Anyway, talking of orks. Well, Orruks:

 

[Davros sock drawer]

Work in progress on my latest commission - Darkoath Warqueen

 

 

 

 

Really hard to get good photos today, it’s so gloomy with thick dark cloud.

[Mikes]

On 30/11/2022 at 02:34, Davros sock drawer said:

I'm not really sure what that style is, but it is recognisable. And featured in White Dwarf.

 

More to my taste, there's a painter on Insta who does amazing Comic book style orks. 

 

https://www.instagram.com/_thunderbrush_/?hl=en

 

 

Looks simple, but I bet it's not, and its so well executed!

 

Epic Duck Studios on Youtube did a whole series a whlie back on how to paint comic book style like that. Impressive as hell and screws with my vision perception.

[Nicky]

Epic Duck is a good lad. we've raided each other a few times on Twitch.

[Mikes]

I swear this was a gift for my kids.

 

 

[Davros sock drawer]

As if I didn’t have enough Orruks to paint already, I received a commission just before Christmas to paint this limited edition Gutrippa Chief:

 

 

Just the vulture and base to finish. Much simpler skin recipe than my last few. Just went with Orruk Flesh, a recess shade of Ork Flesh, then worked up the highlights with Ogryn Camo, Krieg Khaki, and Ushabti bone before a final glaze of Mantis Warriors.

 

Anyone get any nice hobby presents for Christmas? I got some brushes and snippers. Also asked for a large wet palette from Red Grass games but that’s not going to arrive until January. 

[Captain Kelsten]

My mom wanted to get me something for Christmas instead of just giving money like she normally does, so she asked my wife. My wife gave a few ideas based on my recent obsession with GW and, bless her, my mother went out and bought me two packs of minis...for bloodbowl.

 

So I guess I'm starting a bloodbowl collection now.