Rllmuk's Official Sales Figures Thread

[roskelld]

Oh yea, how could I have forgotten that. I think I got distracted with the NES as I was pondering over the possibilities.

[Boyatsea]

Industry analysts still seem to be following the party line - the PS3 will catch up with the 360, but now over the course of the next two years, rather than anytime soon:

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/fea...iz=1&page=1

It's all very Edge, this. There's a complete reluctance by any of the 'big names' to say "the PS3 is in trouble". Is that what they really think? How many second chances will the PS3 get?

[Meh]

It's fucked, is what they're trying to say.

[mackemansj1]

Industry analysts still seem to be following the party line - the PS3 will catch up with the 360, but now over the course of the next two years, rather than anytime soon:

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/fea...iz=1&page=1

It's all very Edge, this. There's a complete reluctance by any of the 'big names' to say "the PS3 is in trouble". Is that what they really think? How many second chances will the PS3 get?

360 would have to more or less totally stop selling, sony would have to toally cut the price in half nearly to do this and sony would have to do more real ads i just cant see all of that happening at all. Bluray was a seller for it but sony have brought out there own profile 2.0 machines now for £150 ish which is half the price of a ps3 then there is those bargin basesment bluray players at argos for £99 so bluray wont sell ps3 anymore.

[thesnwmn]

I think it depends on how long this generation lasts for each platform holder. If MS are considering a 360 successor in 2011/12 it could be that Sony are going to try to stick to their idea of a longer generation and wait 2 or three years beyond that. As long as the PS3 is reasonably priced by the time the nextBox is coming out it could pick up the end of the generation.

[ontwofronts]

Sony will have to reverse the trend of the PS3 selling less at Xmas 08 compared to Xmas 07. No easy feat given the global economy and whatever production costs they appear to have.

I'm not sure at all it'll catch the 360 before MS release their next console.

[phresh]

Not that I've ever played any of them, but is Monster Hunter not likely to be like Pokemon, where the handheld versions sell hundreds of millions and the console ones do fairly poorly in comparison?

Not sure really. The Pokemon console games are nothing like the handheld ones where as I think Monster hunter is the same.

[RubberJohnny]

As long as the PS3 is reasonably priced by the time the nextBox is coming out it could pick up the end of the generation.

Why would gamers buy PS3s rather than the next big new shiny next generation Xbox or WiiHD though?

[ontwofronts]

Why would gamers buy PS3s rather than the next big new shiny next generation Xbox or WiiHD though?

To be fair, 3 years after the 360 was launched and the PS2 still sells in decent numbers worldwide, but it just doesn't matter as a machine to people 'like us' anymore.

[Dandy_Sephy]

speak for yourself

[RubberJohnny]

To be fair, 3 years after the 360 was launched and the PS2 still sells in decent numbers worldwide, but it just doesn't matter as a machine to people 'like us' anymore.

Yeah but it's dropped from the sales level it had during its lifetime a large amount every year, sales never increased. A PS3's sales during next gen would similarly decline massively each year, therefore to catch up this would need to last a very long time, more than three years to bridge that gap. This also assumes that the PS3 already has some form of massmarket mainstream "not like us" audience, when Sony are still claiming two years into it's lifespan that it's in its "early adopter" phase.

Basically, it will drop fast. It won't have the life of the PS2. It won't catch up. Sony are more concerned about profitability than some internet boasting contest over second place.

[Boyatsea]

To be fair, 3 years after the 360 was launched and the PS2 still sells in decent numbers worldwide, but it just doesn't matter as a machine to people 'like us' anymore.

But that's because the PS2 has always been a massive success with the widest range of games.

[Stanley]

It would be weird if the next xbox came out a good few years before PS4. With Wii, PS3 and Xbox 3 we'd have current gen consoles spanning three tech generations.

[Roboplegic Wrongcock]

Industry analysts still seem to be following the party line - the PS3 will catch up with the 360, but now over the course of the next two years, rather than anytime soon:

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/fea...iz=1&page=1

It's all very Edge, this. There's a complete reluctance by any of the 'big names' to say "the PS3 is in trouble". Is that what they really think? How many second chances will the PS3 get?

Well no one likes to look like a wally i remember all the 2006/7 articles about how the 'power of Playstation' would sweep all before it. I wonder how many of these game journalists would have the balls to admit that they never saw things turning out like this. Nintendo Wii outselling everything and MS pretty much beating Sony at it's own game and poaching all of the important third party titles that made the PS2.

I mean i was going through some old bookmarks and found this 'classic' article from Edge Online/Next Gen Biz from January 20, 2008

There are some absolutely golden quotes from it.

I’m going to predict that, at some point in 2008, Xbox 360 will enjoy its last ever month outselling PlayStation 3. It will be Blu-ray, not Metal Gear Solid, that makes this happen.

Up until this point, Xbox 360 has represented the best value. No longer. PS3 is $50 more expensive than Xbox 360 but you get a bigger hard drive, you get a Blu-ray drive and you get to play online for free. It is becoming extremely difficult to argue the case that Xbox 360 is better value than PS3.

In fact, Microsoft is the one most under pressure to cut price. Its paid-for system on Xbox Live looks wholly unsustainable and its lack of a Blu-ray drive is not compensated by that $50 differential (we don’t count the Arcade Pack – does anyone?).

It may be that Microsoft will cut its price to sustain its lead, but two can play at that game (PlayStation 3’s manufacturing costs are dropping substantially) and, anyway, market-share is not as valuable as it once was, certainly not valuable enough to persuade Microsoft to take a big loss on its hardware so far into the console’s life.

Will PlayStation Home make a difference? When I saw it a year ago, I was convinced that this piece of software would play a major role in the console wars. I still believe it has a touch of genius, the common touch, to take virtual living out of the machismo ghettos of Xbox Live or the vacant loonyness of Second Life. If it works, it’s an amazing thing.

So, for the first time, Sony is holding some decent cards, even if its chip-stack has been eroded these past few years. It should go on to rack up a hardware base that rivals and then overtakes Xbox 360.

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[rgraves]

Not sure really. The Pokemon console games are nothing like the handheld ones where as I think Monster hunter is the same.

I'm pretty sure the portable versions of MH have always sold better than the home versions - I think it's therefore pretty reasonable to expect that the Wii version will sell well, but not near the level of the PSP version (which has really taken off with people playing together on trains etc).

[phresh]

I'm pretty sure the portable versions of MH have always sold better than the home versions - I think it's therefore pretty reasonable to expect that the Wii version will sell well, but not near the level of the PSP version (which has really taken off with people playing together on trains etc).

Oh yeah, I was more referring to the Pokemon console games being nothing like the handheld ones so they aren't a valid refence point.

[roskelld]

The PS3 will outsell the 360.

Because the 360 will be dropped in favour of a newer console.

How else is it going to happen.

MGS4 didn't even make the top 10 games of last year did it?

GTAIV only selling 1.8 Million in the US

Of course there's Motorstorm that sold about 10 million, but it's too exclusive to seem to appear in the top ten.

Would a price cut do anything more than a one/two month boost of the console just like we saw with MGS4?

[Uzi]

Theres a lot of the core market of gamers sitting on the fence for a PS3 I think, waiting till the price drops to justify it. That would be a big boost I think, but the things that make it more expensive in general aren't immediately obvious to the public so even at 249 it might still seem expensive for someone who doesn't desire blu ray greatly or know about its great media streaming etc.

I think if anything a big price drop will make it sell nearer to 360 numbers but not overtake it (whatever happens, it still can't compete with the Arcade SKU this year or prob next)

[Harsin]

I mean i was going through some old bookmarks and found this 'classic' article from Edge Online/Next Gen Biz from January 20, 2008

There are some absolutely golden quotes from it.

Anyone remember the infamous PS3 launch issue? Unfortunately Edge Online don't archive back that far and best I could find is the thread on here about it.

http://www.rllmukforum.com/index.php?showt...=PS3&st=740

[Ryan]

Theres a lot of the core market of gamers sitting on the fence for a PS3 I think, waiting till the price drops to justify it. That would be a big boost I think, but the things that make it more expensive in general aren't immediately obvious to the public so even at 249 it might still seem expensive for someone who doesn't desire blu ray greatly or know about its great media streaming etc.

I think if anything a big price drop will make it sell nearer to 360 numbers but not overtake it (whatever happens, it still can't compete with the Arcade SKU this year or prob next)

The PS3'll sell when it's available for 150-200 quid with a game.

Only way that it'd be able to outsell the Xbox is if they put PS2 compatibility back in, and made the scaling an selling point. Because at the moment the PS2 looks aweful on an LCD. Oh, and be a little smaller and 200 quid.

I've not grabbed one myself yet, and it's purely down to price. They're 400 EUR here with an game, compared to 200 EUR with an game for an Xbox 60GB.

Plus I'm fucked off with the peripherals only working on one machine. It's complete bullshit, when you buy something like Guitar Heroes or Rock Band, you shouldn't need to dump the expensive plastic instruments just because of an platform change.

[Uzi]

Plus I'm fucked off with the peripherals only working on one machine. It's complete bullshit, when you buy something like Guitar Heroes or Rock Band, you shouldn't need to dump the expensive plastic instruments just because of an platform change.

Unless I'm incorrect, that's mainly MS's doing I think even though all of its all USB. They make sure 360 stuff only works on the 360 and non 360 won't. It's quite shit.

[Ryan]

Scratch that. This is what Sony must do:

PS3: Lite

PS3 with no Blueray movie playback, no wifi, no harddrive (bundled 1gb SD instead). PS2 backwards compatibility will be required, they'd need an PS2-on-and-chip to make that an realistic possibility.

They'd be able to sell that at well under 200GBP.

Of course they probably can't do it as they made the harddrive an requirement to play games...

...Sony's fucked.

[Boyatsea]

The PS3 will outsell the 360.

Because the 360 will be dropped in favour of a newer console.

We did this a few weeks back though, and that's not going to happen. The 360 is in its prime, selling for a profit and making Microsoft money. As long as it has a comfortable lead over the PS3, they'll be no talk of a follow-up. The Xbox was dropped because it was too far behind the PS2 and there was no chance of scaling it down for a smaller, budget release.

Microsoft will ride the 360 wave for as long as it can - pushing Live and video downloads. We're more likely to see dashboard updates than we are a new console if things stay as they are.

So, if the PS3 is going to outsell the 360, it has to start pulling in that gap sharpish. As many have pointed out, this 10 year lifecycle talk depends on retail and the consumer - not Sony. It'll have no chance of lasting that long unless it is the HD market leader, so these analysts must be counting on Killzone 2 and a price-drop doing what GTA IV, MGS4, Resistance, MotorStorm, Gran Turismo, Blu-ray et al couldn't.

[Yoshimax]

I thought a bluray-less machine might be the way for them - then I remembered all the games are on bluray discs so that's that idea out the window.

They fucked up bigstyle this gen.

[Boyatsea]

Scratch that. This is what Sony must do:

PS3: Lite

PS3 with no Blueray movie playback, no wifi, no harddrive (bundled 1gb SD instead). PS2 backwards compatibility will be required, they'd need an PS2-on-and-chip to make that an realistic possibility.

They'd be able to sell that at well under 200GBP.

Of course they probably can't do it as they made the harddrive an requirement to play games...

...Sony's fucked.

How would no Blu-ray playback help them? The Blu-ray drive has to be there to play games, so there would be little point in dropping movie playback.

[bcass]

The Xbox was dropped because it was too far behind the PS2 and there was no chance of scaling it down for a smaller, budget release.

What makes you think that?

[Uzi]

Of course they probably can't do it as they made the harddrive an requirement to play games...

That and all games are pressed on blu ray discs- its just not possible for them to do that.

Changing the PS3 to another form factor would just cost them more money in RandD- the safest route is the standard one- to keep internal components getting cheaper to make and produce

[bcass]

Microsoft will ride the 360 wave for as long as it can - pushing Live and video downloads. We're more likely to see dashboard updates than we are a new console if things stay as they are.

I hope this is true. I could cope without any talk of next gen for at least another 3 to 4 years (maybe even longer). Maybe we'll get to a point where consoles have every bit of power exploited out of them again. If Sony's plan really is a 10 year one then maybe they have given us something good this gen after all (I don't mean the PS3, I mean the idea of console life being longer and Microsoft not having to push out new tech just for the sake of it).

[layten]

What makes you think that?

Microsoft were locked into supply contracts with Intel and Nvidia which meant PS2 Slim style shrinks and redesigns were impossible.

[Troublegum]

What makes you think that?

Microsoft screwed up by buying manufactured chips direct from Intel and Nvidia rather than owning the licence for the tech and sourcing the assembly of the CPU and GPU themselves. They were paying over the odds for dated hardware with no control of cost and no room to negotiate. They were stuck in a business model where the original Xbox could never be profitable or break even.

Edit: Beaten by layte100, natch.