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  • 3 weeks later...

That defending from the corner for Sunderland's 3rd. Jesus.

 

Football Weekly were discussing potential new managers for your lot - someone suggested Benitez, which sounds crazy but might actually be a good fit. Sure as hell wouldn't leak goals like this season. Derby would have extra side too.

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40 minutes ago, glb said:

That defending from the corner for Sunderland's 3rd. Jesus.

 

Football Weekly were discussing potential new managers for your lot - someone suggested Benitez, which sounds crazy but might actually be a good fit. Sure as hell wouldn't leak goals like this season. Derby would have extra side too.

I've seen Benitez thrown around, apparently his family love living in Liverpool.

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54 minutes ago, glb said:

Football Weekly were discussing potential new managers for your lot - someone suggested Benitez, which sounds crazy but might actually be a good fit. Sure as hell wouldn't leak goals like this season. Derby would have extra side too.

 

I know he looks to have put on weight, but that's still a bit harsh.

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Its a similar situation to last season with Rodgers but Liverpool held on a bit longer than was needed. 

 

You could see Martinez had lost the dressing room a while back, examples of Leighton Baines' comments spring to mind. At least the club have acted swiftly and now they can get someone in place for a proper pre-season.

 

I think David Moyes would be a step backwards.

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19 hours ago, Adrock said:

You could see Martinez had lost the dressing room a while back, examples of Leighton Baines' comments spring to mind.

 

The whole Baines thing is good to look at as a microcosm of the entire situation, and it goes back a lot longer than that. I love Leighton Baines (I wanted to name our son after him, except my wife wouldn't have it and then we actually had a daughter anyway so that solved that one), but a very noticeable trait is that he has an incredible self doubt in his own ability, it's been brought up in several interviews/articles with or about him. The thing is, he knows he's good and has confidence in his ability but a the same time, it seems more he worries about not being good enough with respect to the great players that surround him. Obviously I don't know what goes on behind the scenes with respect to at what level and how managers do actually manage their players, or indeed what other psychological support is available to players at the club, but under Moyes this was more than held in check and he was playing some of the best football of his career and incredibly effective to the point he was pretty much known as Fantasy Football's Leighton Baines. Playing without worrying about the doubts.

 

Then obviously there was a change of manager and then soon after that, the 2014 World Cup. Nobody played brilliantly there, but Baines looked lost and returned lost, I don't think he went into it near the best form of his life to start with though. I also I don't think that Martinez really understood or knew what to do with him afterwards, how to help build him back up which was something that was sorely needed. Despite all this, he'd still step up when needed and remained one of the best dead ball specialists in the team and was rightly the main penalty taker. Then came that time in early 2015 when Mirallas decided to pretty much snatch the ball from Baines to take - and miss - a penalty, the massive bellend. I really felt sorry for Baines then, he looked like a little kid in the playground who'd had the ball taken off him by a bigger lad and didn't know what to do about it, he said his piece to no effect then left it to him. Afterwards, Martinez came out with one of his often baffling statements that yes Baines was and is the penalty taker but it was still fine for Mirallas to just take it off him and do his own thing. Shortly after, Baines ceded the duty entirely to Lukaku, as covered here:

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leighton-baines-handed-penalty-duties-9204711

 

To me that highlights everything wrong about the management of the situation, he gives it up with a bit of a shrug of the shoulders because he thinks the others are really good (even though he also knows he is) and leaves it to them. I think the manager of a club should be stronger in laying down the law, and I also think that Baines could have had and would have wanted, or rather needed, more support and direction. Did things like this add up to the obvious disillusion that players like Baines had with the situation with the club in it's entirety by the end? I'd say yes, it undoubtedly did. I like Martinez, but his Mr Nice Guy approach also needed more steel that you see in all the really great managers and while that could have shown more behind closed doors, it didn't seem to be the case, leading up to where things ended up. 

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19 hours ago, Dig Dug said:

I'd be happy with de Boer if it is true that he wants the job.

 

I'm not sure, he just sounds like a younger David Moyes. Wouldn't complain if he brought Stam and Bergkamp with him though.

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Considering that defensive, counter and moderate styles of play are starting to go back in favour I think de Boer is the choice to go with. Fans like attacking football but high pressing attacking play has been around for long enough now that teams have learned to slow the game back down and play off the ball better, the reason free flowing attack became so effective in the first place is because improvements in general sports science meant teams could get their players to play at the pace needed to pressure other teams. It isn't just in England where this style has proven to be effective, it turned Athletico into a team that can legitimately challenge the mega powers that are Barcelona and Real Madrid.

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Why have we still not appointed anyone? I appreciate the need to take a bit of time to be as sure as possible in getting the right man but they should be working round the clock to sort it so that whoever comes in has as much time with the squad between now and next season

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I just hope it's not Koeman. I can't see what he's done to justify the appointment if we are supposedly looking to challenge for CL places at the top. 

 

Hes basically done a Moyes with Southampton. 

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Well, it's finally official. Something settled early which is good, I'm not sure what's in it for him (besides the cash to earn and spend) but I think he's a good fit for Everton in that while he's not that exciting he seems to me to be very much what we need. He's got the Moyes side of the game in that he knows about defending and he's not shy on the attacking front either so that's the Martinez aspect covered. Hopefully the Koeman bit is that he can do that and bring in a bit of a plan B on occasion too, but he seems to be upfront and open even about failings which I like rather than saying "phenomenal" a lot even when we've been playing like dirt, and that's something I think the vast majority of the fanbase will really appreciate. 

 

So there we go, a manager I think we can all get behind! COYB!

 

On 01/06/2016 at 10:56 PM, joemul said:

I just hope it's not Koeman.

 

Oh.

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Apparently, we are the favourites to land Juan Mata

Other names I've seen linked (although most fairly tentatively) are Berahino, Schneiderlin, Tello, Mandanda, Wijnaldum, Witsel and Arnautovic

 

If we signed all those there would be a horrifically worrying chance we may scrape into the Europa league ;)

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Looks like Stones is on his way to City for £50m. Thats a lot of money but in the current market where Koulibaly is going to cost over £40m, not sure it represents as good value as it first seems

Disappointed not to have brought anyone in yet but amongst all the names I've seen linked I think Sigurdsson is the one I like the most (Witsel a close second)

I would love me a bit of Gylfi - closest thing to Tim Cahill I can think of

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Sound's like a pretty shit trade off. Unless that is Stones has not shown any signs of fixing the problems he's displayed over the last two seasons over the last month which has made koeman decide he isn't needed.

If he goes to City and keeps making goals for the other teams then we'll be laughing.

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Gueye has signed then - not sure how he adds anything more than Besic or McCarthy when Barry finally calls it a day

 

Ashley Williams would be a good signing but I can't help thinking that pairing him with Jagielka might not work

 

I'd have loved to have got Gylfi

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