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JoeK

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It's a fantastic experience - but just so utterly, utterly bonkers. I've only just beaten the first boss, and it left me in a state of 'buh? Whu? Stop laughing!'. The arse shots are done with a pervert's love and attention to detail.

There's just nothing even remotely like MGS!

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It's a fantastic experience - but just so utterly, utterly bonkers. I've only just beaten the first boss, and it left me in a state of 'buh? Whu? Stop laughing!'. The arse shots are done with a pervert's love and attention to detail.

Lets be fair her

beauty

side is fairly hot. Far more obvious is the cutscene with naomi before that.

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OK

WHAT

THE

FUCK

Act 4 -

Vamp! am I missing so spacktacularly obvious?

?

No - it was the only part of the game I had to look up online, try as I did for almost an hour calling people on the codec and trying strange new ways of shooting his face off.

After you 'kill' him once you have to grab him with CQC (either handgun, knife or nothing equipped) and then

(just separating the method in case you want to experiment after being handed a small clue...)

stab him with the syringe (have the item selected and press triangle while he's grabbed)

EDIT: I just read something interesting about the beauty and the beast bosses which I didn't realise on first playthrough -

When you face them as beauties; I'd instinctively used the stun knife and punch/kick combos to take them down for some reason, seemed slightly easier at the time, anyway, I'd been awarded their faces as masks to wear - I didn't realise you don't get these masks if you kill them by depleting their health bar. So - use non violence to make snake into a freaky transvestite! Woo!

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what the hell are you doing??

Taking down helicopters with the Javelin.

:lol:

Time update:

12:51:45, on Act 2 and I've just got to

the mansion where you meet Naomi.

Never completed a Metal Gear game before, only played the first one for a decent length of time, didn't play the other two, and I haven't really kept on top of this one. I'm utterly blown away by it.

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Finshed Act one tonight and the controls have clicked as well as my love for sniper killing. Will have to check the manual tomorrow as my CQC is non existant.

Took me 6 hours. Consider me blown away so far as well.

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Finished it at 23 hours, been the best couple of days I've had in a long long time. Ok, make sure not to read the rest unless you've finished it.

The bit where you have to crawl through the microwave bit in split screen, amazing. It even beats the end of SOTC for best use of 'interactive emotion' . The final fight, when it starts and its just cut scenes I was soooooo not happy but then they inject themselves and as soon as the old style level bar came in I was well chuffed. What a fight though!, took me about 30mins and so many attempts but I loved that. Felt like a really good fight.

I thought the end scenes were a bit lame. Especially raiden scene but also the wedding. Loved the Snake suicide but prefer that in the end he didn't go through with it. It would of been a bit too expected if he went through with it. Then the brilliant 'fake' credits where it stops on the cast member for Big Boss. Brilliant. What follows I found quite tedious but it also seemed the perfect way to finish it.

I also REALLY like how snake really really slowly gets worse and worse. Done with perfection.

I didn't feel that much emotion through any of it, just enjoyed the best ending to a game since...MGS3. But then halfway through the 'proper' credits I got into deep thought, remembering the moment I played MGS1 and how this is it. No more MGS. I then cried for about a minute. It really is quite depressing...

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LOL, capone_adam cried at the end...

Hey! I'm not ashamed I mention it in the spoiler. I cried in the credits btw, more upset about it being the last MGS rather then finding the 'cut scenes' sad or whatever...

:lol:

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I strongly agree with almost everything Capone Adam said. :lol:

Especially about the crawling through the microwaves - man that's some brilliant/torturous game design! I like the fact that it puts the player through a microcosm of snake's exasperated struggle - amazing stuff...

Have to agree about the cheesiness of the endings, but MGS is a pretty cheesy series anyway, so I was expecting it. I really couldn't fucking stand Sunny though - especially since she's done by one of the voice actors from rugrats - (or at least sounds exactly like on of them). I know she's important to the plot in that the game was about the end of snake's era and the handing over to the next and probably has much to do with Kojima's own fatherhood, but man... that voice!

Still, I quite like the idea of the Metal Gear series starting afresh with a new cast and a new plot. The techno fetishism of the character design (just look at the FROGS or Beauty and the Beast squad) makes me think they should just go crazy and set the next game in space or something ridiculous.

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mr_woo

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Finished it there now and overall an absolutely stunning game. It really is pure metal gear fanservice and I just loved it. Easily my favourite after MGS1 and up there with it as one of my favourite games. I thought GTA4 might be my game of the year but I'm pretty certain it's going to be this by a mile and if anything comes close i'll be very impressed.

So many great setpieces and moments, great stuff.

I especially loved that

poor old Snake really gets put through the wringer. With all the crap he goes through the man's pure nails :lol: Every single Act had stunning setpieces, Kojima went all out for this one. The crawling through microwaves was superb and you just felt like Snake's a complete and utter bad mother fucker.

I also agree that

I was sitting there pissed off when the Liquid and Snake started fighting in a cutscene but then I thought, 'Kojimas a bollocks he'll have done that on purpose' and then of course the health bars come up and you get to fight Liquid :( I loved the way they used CQC and the old MGS1 fight controls in the fight too

One of my other favourite things is just cool the camera is going from cutscene to game, the way camera does a cool shake as it goes behind Snake is fucking ace.

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Yeah I know what you mean. I think if anything it's more memorable than any other game this gen. Best 'experience' I've had.

But such a fractured one; the last two action-packed, nostalgia-laced chapters are dramatically different to the first three stealth-heavy ones.

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But such a fractured one; the last two action-packed, nostalgia-laced chapters are dramatically different to the first three stealth-heavy ones.

I didn't really find the first 2 chapters that stealthy, not compared to the other metal gear games. Because of the whole war going on in it didn't feel that stealthy though it was a very good mix of both stealth and action.

In fact I thought the most stealthy part of the full game was when

you have to get past the FROGS and Gekkos at the start of Chapter 5. That was by far and away the stealthiest section of the whole game

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Yeh, when you play through at first it's not that stealthy at times but play through for the extras a second time trying not to kill people or not to get any alerts and it will work alot better when you're trying to be more stealthy like you would in the older MGS games.

Thats what I'm really looking forward to on the next few playthroughs anyway!

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Yeh, when you play through at first it's not that stealthy at times but play through for the extras a second time trying not to kill people or not to get any alerts and it will work alot better when you're trying to be more stealthy like you would in the older MGS games.

Thats what I'm really looking forward to on the next few playthroughs anyway!

Funnily for my next playthrough I'm more looking forward to other weapons that I can buy. I've always loved ,but usually been shite, at the MGS games and there's no way I could complete MGS4 without raising an alert! Most of my time in MGS3 was 'right i'm sneaking here...... SHIT I'VE BEEN DISCOVERED! PEG IT!' :lol:

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I didn't really find the first 2 chapters that stealthy, not compared to the other metal gear games. Because of the whole war going on in it didn't feel that stealthy though it was a very good mix of both stealth and action.

In fact I thought the most stealthy part of the full game was when

you have to get past the FROGS and Gekkos at the start of Chapter 5. That was by far and away the stealthiest section of the whole game

They're warped stealth - it's all about sneaking on the battlefield; blending into the conflict and choosing your side, or using the fray as a smokescreen to sneak past both.

As for the part you've mentioned:

I found that part impossible to stealth past - you start in Alert phase and there's basically nowhere to hide where you land. Once you've been spotted, that's it - no return to normal; you're stuck shooting your way out.

It turns the whole last chapter into an action game. And the last chapter itself is only short - it's like, what, four phases? First room/Circular room shootout/Mantis/Long corridor - and the latter of those is mostly for show. I expected a fully-fledged final chapter tbh, and that didn't measure up. It only compares in length to the other chapters due to the length of cutscenes.

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Simply amazing.

As a game as a whole, I think MGS3 just pips it but as fan service, MGS4 is king. Finished it after a mammoth session last night and pretty much started again instantly.

I was surprised by how easy it is to buy weapons but not rations. Speaking of which, everyone should definitely experiment with all the weapons and various ammo. I bought

The End's rifle

and combined it with a shitload of the emotive ammo.

Watching PMCs pepper spray their comrades with bullets because they are laughing hysterically is an experience in itself.

:lol:

I need more, just plain need it. Roll on MGS5. Kojima, you know it makes sense.

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As for the part you've mentioned:

I found that part impossible to stealth past - you start in Alert phase and there's basically nowhere to hide where you land. Once you've been spotted, that's it - no return to normal; you're stuck shooting your way out.

I'd say the opposite it true. For me, by the time I'd reached the beginning of Act 5

I was in run 'n' gun mode due to the action from Shadow Moses, but doing that onboard Outer Haven had me getting overwhelmed with enemies, plus I had no rations. Sneaking alone using tranqs got me through that section in no time.

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I'd say the opposite it true. For me, by the time I'd reached the beginning of Act 5

I was in run 'n' gun mode due to the action from Shadow Moses, but doing that onboard Outer Haven had me getting overwhelmed with enemies, plus I had no rations. Sneaking alone using tranqs got me through that section in no time.

I'm curious now,

how did you stealth it past?

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I stealthed that too, tried it a few times various ways as I thought it was nearing the end and wanted some good sneaky action in before it finished!

Much more satisfying when you get past the lot of them without being seen, took them all out with the tranq gun too. :lol:

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