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McSpeed

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Yeah you are right about being able to drive as well as the A.I. It has been a problem in many games where steering feels too light - the A.I cars nicely hold a racing line, but you can't do it yourself.

It is crucial to have smooth handling in a game like this, where tracks can be narrow and you don't want to hit other cars and lose some bodywork.

Surely with the MS wheel being discontinued they wouldn't fuck up something like this when the majority will no doubt play with a pad. Here is hoping for a full selection of sensitivity settings for pad users.

McSpeed we need you on this stat :)

Will check it out tonight, guys.

I can see this point though: in Forza Motorsport it was already harder to keep a steady line in a long corner with a pad. There's this really long one (part of an oval track) on Sunset Infield, where Meerman always noted how I had to adjust my steering during the corner as he drove behind me.

I can only hope this is less in F1 2010, but to the best of my recollections with the earlier versions, it's not really an issue.

Will keep you updated :)

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Dimahoo

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Will check it out tonight, guys.

I can see this point though: in Forza Motorsport it was already harder to keep a steady line in a long corner with a pad. There's this really long one (part of an oval track) on Sunset Infield, where Meerman always noted how I had to adjust my steering during the corner as he drove behind me.

I can only hope this is less in F1 2010, but to the best of my recollections with the earlier versions, it's not really an issue.

Will keep you updated :)

I don't think i agree. Theres never been a game where you could do that and i think the pad times are very close to the wheel times anyway.

Theres no way you can solve that issue.

Well, there is - press a button to lock the wheels (which is arguablly cheating) - but you'd have to ensure your wheels were perfect with the parabola, so prehaps not.

I mean, think about it - you can't really increase the resistance of an ano stick (therefore making it harder to turn to lcok and easier to stabilise on a long corner) - it would be to heavy for sharper corners.

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McSpeed

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I don't think i agree. Theres never been a game where you could do that and i think the pad times are very close to the wheel times anyway.

Theres no way you can solve that issue.

Well, there is - press a button to lock the wheels (which is arguablly cheating) - but you'd have to ensure your wheels were perfect with the parabola, so prehaps not.

I mean, think about it - you can't really increase the resistance of an ano stick (therefore making it harder to turn to lcok and easier to stabilise on a long corner) - it would be to heavy for sharper corners.

What a load of technical bollocks, May ;)

Either way, I'll see what it's like as soon as I get home and pop the game in my 360. I may actually record a video of my first session.

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Dimahoo

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What a load of technical bollocks, May ;)

Either way, I'll see what it's like as soon as I get home and pop the game in my 360. I may actually record a video of my first session.

Would you expect anything less?

I'm going to laugh my tits of if it crashes your machine :lol:.

You can use two sticks, in various ways.

What he means is holding the wheels in position on a parabolic or long corner. You can't use two sticks for that.

You have to keep shifting the ano stick to maintain position.

You have to in all racing games but Hammond has gone all "arcade mode" recently.

Must be to appeal to the massmarket people.

He'll be a regular on IGN forums soon, you watch :)

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Mr Majestyk

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i had to go ebay as well. I'd have rather bought new if i'd had the option.

I did the Gamestation for £80 purchase. Robbing twunts, but obviously becoming a sellers market. No point in going for a cheap 3rd party wheel again as they always end up in the cupboard due to random issues with certain games.

The missus isn't happy i've blagged her wee tea table for a wheel, but them's the breaks :lol:

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What he means is holding the wheels in position on a parabolic or long corner. You can't use two sticks for that.

You have to keep shifting the ano stick to maintain position.

You have to in all racing games but Hammond has gone all "arcade mode" recently.

Must be to appeal to the massmarket people.

He'll be a regular on IGN forums soon, you watch :)

You could easily modify controls to allow a setup whereby the right stick can hold on a corner.

Or why not use it to drift on straights?

Or use a modifier button etc?

It's surprising these areas have not been explored.

Just same old...

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Dimahoo

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Well, you see, unfortunately holding an ergonomical pad for trigger use and holding a steering wheel, for steering with, requires four hands.

And unless i'm very much mistaken you only have two.

But seriously no, there isn't.

And you wouldn't (ideally) use the face buttons either.

If you HAVE to use a pad, you need the long play they have (hence why the PS3's are a disaster for racing with). I've tested 6 controllers now (2 on Ps3 and 4 on 360 and the offical 360 controller remains the best.

Even the new PowerA Pro controller for PS3 is pretty crap. It has concave buttons but rubbish play. And, again, the 360 to Ps3 convertor doesn't even map triggers as analogs.

The fact is, you must be able to hold the gas or brake gently. You can't do that with buttons or on a pad with short play trggers.

All you can do is use an analog stick for gas/brake (if teh game allows it) - but even then you still have to hold the pad.

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Meers

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Which means mostly people like you, Meerman, should pay extra attention to the manual

You prrriiiicckkkk. What's that supposed to mean, wee man? :angry:

I can see this point though: in Forza Motorsport it was already harder to keep a steady line in a long corner with a pad. There's this really long one (part of an oval track) on Sunset Infield, where Meerman always noted how I had to adjust my steering during the corner as he drove behind me.

I was reminding Boozy of it last night, on Sedona. :P

You could easily modify controls to allow a setup whereby the right stick can hold on a corner.

Or why not use it to drift on straights?

Or use a modifier button etc?

It's surprising these areas have not been explored.

Just same old...

What the hell have you been sniffing? :wacko::lol:

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Well, you see, unfortunately holding an ergonomical pad for trigger use and holding a steering wheel, for steering with, requires four hands.

All it takes is for the gearshift paddles to be analogue sensitive and you can have a steering wheel with triggers... best of both worlds and all that.

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You know what I'd love to see? a modern interpretation of the neGcon. I used a neGcon a lot when working on ToCA World Touring Cars because it allowed the precision and unfiltered input of a wheel without the desk space (and the lack of FF wasn't an issue in a PSX game)

The basic concept is still sound, and there's no real reason why it couldn't be retrofitted with Force-Feedback.

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Dimahoo

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All it takes is for the gearshift paddles to be analogue sensitive and you can have a steering wheel with triggers... best of both worlds and all that.

Thats all it takes, sure. But it won't happen. They can even get the triggers on Pads right for a start.

Think about it. If your going to make a wheel, your going to make it for the more hardcore user and what the hardcore wants they get....so basically...

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"YOUR THEORY ISN'T HARDCORE"

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What the hell have you been sniffing? :wacko::lol:

There is an issue that the stick doesn't have much in the way of travel, which can lead to twitchiness. So if you modify the input it gives then you'll have more subtle control. The pay off here is that you can't usually turn fast enough - so - if you put this control method on a modifier, or the second stick, then you've got a way to drift or make more subtle movements without twitch-ville.

...and there's an irony here when you ask what I've been sniffing, and you were convinced that Dirt 1 was fantastic ;)

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If your going slow then the stick should have maximum sensitivity, the faster you go the less sensitivity you should feel. Even Forza messes this up though, first game was fine but the 2nd and 3rd were awful for pad. PGR has always been spot on in my opinion.

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It's all getting a bit hardcore in here so this is my wheel situation.

I posted a week or two ago about which wheel to get to play this on the 360 and was advised to get the official MS setup.

As has been noted it seems to have been discontinued for some reason and is pretty hard to get hold of. There was one new one in my local GAME for £80 but when I went back to get it it was gone.

So then it was off to eBay. Last week they were going for about £80 quid used and then over the weekend a few went for over £100 which is getting a bit silly. Luckily I've been checking new listing for Buy it Nows and have snapped one up for £75.

NOW I CAN'T FUCKING WAIT.

Hope I get the wheel before Friday.

Seriously, someone needs to make a good wheel and pedals for the 360 for under £100 or so and I reckon they'll clear up.

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BeeJay

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Gah, I knew I would get that response from my badly worded question.

What I meant is that I don't have any leg room for the pedals, so is there some sort of substitute on the wheel (short of using the face buttons)?

I have a PC wheel which has 4 flappy paddles that can be configured to do accelerate/brake/gear up/gear down.

The best wheel I've had and the main reason why I've never got on with the360 official wheel.

Wheel control = amazing.

Pedals = crap.

You'll never be able to properly replicate the pedals correctly due to the positioning and support of the seat. The 360 one did a decent stab with the funky backwards pedals but it was still shit to be honest.

Seriously, this wheel worked a treat on GTR with that set up. It's a real shame that I've never found a wheel that does the same on 360.

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Meers

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...and there's an irony here when you ask what I've been sniffing, and you were convinced that Dirt 1 was fantastic ;)

Wait a minute...I never thought much of DiRT 1! Its sequel is the shit though. :P

Four days ago, you didn't even know what the Constructor's Championship is.

I knew what it is, I just didn't know about how it was scored. I knew they got points and all that shizzle.

And I was being humble about it. No need to kick me when I'm down Joe, you prrriiiccckkkk.

And where are the bloody lobby setup pics you promised me?

It's all getting a bit hardcore in here so this is my wheel situation.

I have snapped one up for £75.

NOW I CAN'T FUCKING WAIT.

Good man! :D

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Yep, I was all excited to see they've charged my card. Never ordered with them before so no idea what this means for delivery date. I assume they don't send it signed for or anything?

They do both free signed for and unsigned first class delivery. Mine defaulted to the unsigned option.

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