Kill bill

[Vemsie]

No, you're right about that. It's my interpretation.

[Dayman]

Completely off topic, but reading that again reminded me of something I saw on the X-Files once. Someone was looking for a gun in Mulder's apartment, and after tearing the whole place upside down glanced at a Pulp Fiction poster outside the bathroom door, then when straight to the bathroom worksurface thing next to the toilet and found the gun taped underneath it. Mulder obviously wanted to make sure he wasn't caught out whilst on the bog

Is that true? Fantastic!

[Landshead]

There a program on the kill bill 2 premier in London starting in 5 mins on ITV2 for anyone interested.

[kev]

absolutely fantastic film imo. and pai mei was just genius

elle having her other eye ripped out was absolutely hilarious as well. i thought "it'd be so damn cool if she rips her other eye out... i doubt it will happen though..." and then, rip

[Preacher]

*strokes beard as if to indicate approval*

[yakumo]

hmmmm...not sure if l like it, it didn't do anything better than l haven't seen in a hundred samurai kung fu anime flicks. Except the fact that he makes it look 'hip'??

[Dimahoo]

Some will say he's done for Samari movies what Atari and Sony did for the Video Game.

I dunno if it's a good thing though. Its a good film, but these days good films are two 'a' penny, and thus they become worthless.

Its the orignals that are timeless.

[CrispinG]

What are some good kung fu films that reflect the Pai Mei training section? I'm curious. Not shit ones that have camp appeal, please. Ones that are actually good.

[Alan Stock]

Millions of martial arts/samurai films have those kind of master/pupil sections. The one I remember best is the piss take one from Jackie Chans first film: Slithering Snake under Eagle claw (or something like that). In it Jackie goes through a gruelling training whilst his master does all sorts of nasty stuff to him - it's dead funny of course.

[Melon_Bread]

I thought it was fantastic, there were points during the film where I totally forgot I was in the cinema I was so engrossed in the movie.

[CrispinG]

I don't mean films that include tutelage scenes. Just kung fu films that Tarantino drew on as influences for that sequence, y'know? What are the Citizen Kanes of poorly translated 70s kung fu flicks?

[McFly]

When i left the cinema last night i didnt think that much of it (possible being stuck next to an irritating twat, being tired and roasting hot) but now looking back it was really good. Bud drinking from teh jam jars was funny as fuck, and Bills speech about Superman was great another "Like a virgin" moment of pure QT class. Also Shogun Assasin is an excellent film.

[choddo]

But for a minute there - just a minute - didn't you think maybe the film ends with the Bride buried alive, and it would cut to a story before the 'Texas funeral', a la Vincent Vega in Pulp Fiction?

No, because you'd already seen her, during the opening credits, in the car post-Budd&Elle on the way to see Bill.

And I thought it was awesome at times, dragged a bit at others.

Some real edge-of-your-seat dialog.

I thought the Mexican pimp bloke was fantastic.

Burial scene one of the most memorable and original pieces of film making ever.

Eyeball thing was just sickeningly delightful. That wole fight was so viscereal & brutal compared to say Matrix stuff...

Mai Pei's beard & eyebrows must be front runner for "Facial Hair Lifetime Achievement" Academy Award.

and I think it was "Five point palm exploding heart technique" but I could be wrong

Overall A-

[choddo]

Not too many laughs in the dundee odeon either. I felt like a bit of a gimp chuckling by myself while everyone else remained stony faced.

Dour fuckers. Even in Staines which is legendary for its lack of wit, everyone was laughing.

As for the the Superman monologue... It wasn't that great. And it was pretty much totally wrong. (They even talked about it being wrong on five live today).

Why?

[Vemsie]

I thought the Mexican pimp bloke was fantastic.

Very true. I only know Michael Parks from his roles in From Dusk til Dawn and the two characters he plays in Kill Bill (one is actually the same as in Dusk) and he's fucking awesome.

You have to give it to Tarantino, he gets superb performances out his actors. Even if they were considered dead by many.

[kev]

I don't mean films that include tutelage scenes. Just kung fu films that Tarantino drew on as influences for that sequence, y'know? What are the Citizen Kanes of poorly translated 70s kung fu flicks?

http://www.killbill2.net/references.php

http://www.japattack.com/japattack/film/tarantino.html

unfortunately all the chinese and japanese ones in the first list are named in their original language. if you put the foreign name into imdb it'll find it though. the second one is an interview, a lot of films are mentioned in there. some of this stuff though, a lot of people might not 'get'. for example one of the films in the list is a godfrey ho ninja film for example, now i've seen a few of his films (although not the one mentioned), and i fucking love them, but i can also see why they could be called utterly shit

then there's the obvious - bruce lee stuff, the yellow suit, onitsuka tiger trainers and everything.

if you haven't seen any of bruce lee's films (unlikely, i know), start there. if you don't even like them, you aren't going to like some of the other stuff.

[yakumo]

http://www.killbill2.net/references.php

http://www.japattack.com/japattack/film/tarantino.html

unfortunately all the chinese and japanese ones in the first list are named in their original language. if you put the foreign name into imdb it'll find it though. the second one is an interview, a lot of films are mentioned in there. some of this stuff though, a lot of people might not 'get'. for example one of the films in the list is a godfrey ho ninja film for example, now i've seen a few of his films (although not the one mentioned), and i fucking love them, but i can also see why they could be called utterly shit

then there's the obvious - bruce lee stuff, the yellow suit, onitsuka tiger trainers and everything.

if you haven't seen any of bruce lee's films (unlikely, i know), start there. if you don't even like them, you aren't going to like some of the other stuff.

l think l seen nearly every on of those films he's paid homage too, for the the action sequences weren't as great as the dialogue in his films. l still think True Romance is his best work ever.

[CrispinG]

Can't say I particularly like Bruce Lee's films. They're amusing in a camp, rubbish way, but his crowning glory, Enter The Dragon, is just a sub-par Bond rip off with wonderfully crap dialogue.

But then I guess to focus on anything other than Lee's martial arts is to miss the point. Thank you for the links, Kev.

[Vemsie]

They're amusing in a camp, rubbish way, but his crowning glory, Enter The Dragon, is just a sub-par Bond rip off with wonderfully crap dialogue.

Man, you come right out of a comic book.

[CrispinG]

Bullshit, Mr. Han-man!

[Vemsie]

Don't think. Feeeeeeeel. It is like a finger pointing away to the moon.

[CrispinG]

See. Utter rubbish. It's only quotable because it's so scum suckingly bad.

[Vemsie]

See. Utter rubbish. It's only quotable because it's so scum suckingly bad.

Lets face it though. You're not watching Bruce's films for the plot, characterisation or dialogue.

[Major Britten]

Saw this today, I really liked it but my gf hated it I wont bother saying which volume I prefer because as far as I am concerned this is one movie and there are bits I love in all of them. My favorite line in it is this:

Beatrix: How did you find me?

Bill: I'm the man!

I love that line, along with bud's line "That woman deserves her revenge, and we, derserve to die". In the end though I really liked Bill and felt kind of sorry for him at the end (he was a bastard and what he did was bad but in a way beatrix also did the dirty on him, so who is worst?).

In the end though I thought it was very good, not worth all the hype and certainly not worth splitting it into two parts, but I enjoyed it.

[CrispinG]

he was a bastard and what he did was bad but in a way beatrix also did the dirty on him, so who is worst?

Bill. He killed her groom, all her friends and shot her in the head.

[picto]

Well I found it quite boring. A waste of £3.70 and two hours of my life. It just seem like two hours of characters I din't care about saying things I wasn't interested in. With one good fight scene in the middle. No interesting plot, no twists or turns or suprises.

I also didn't find it at all funny. I could see moments where it was supposed to be. But, it didn't even make me chuckle.

And the buried alive thing was also quite unimpressive. Since it was blantently obvious that she would dig herself out in a few minutes.

Though I didn't like the first one either.

TTFN

[JoeK]

Well I found it quite boring. A waste of £3.70 and two hours of my life. It just seem like two hours of characters I din't care about saying things I wasn't interested in. With one good fight scene in the middle. No interesting plot, no twists or turns or suprises.

I also didn't find it at all funny. I could see moments where it was supposed to be. But, it didn't even make me chuckle.

And the buried alive thing was also quite unimpressive. Since it was blantently obvious that she would dig herself out in a few minutes.

Though I didn't like the first one either.

TTFN

So, what were you expecting from what was merely a continuation of the same movie?

The film makes no claim to be anything other than simply revenge.

The Bride is gonna kill Bill.

Everyone else is going to peg it too.

It's a given.

And personally, the sheer love that QT obviously had for the project shines through on every scene.

Disposable stuff? Absolutely.

But absolutely great for what it does.

[Calashnikov]

FIRE.

BOTH OF THEM.

I missed the first one when it came out and so watched it on DVD (twice) on Friday, headed straight to the cinema with a massive squad of mates at the very late night showing, got blown away by Volume 2 (even better than the first, yo. QT's trademark dialogue of aceness was back on point, the Pai Mei section was sheer brilliance and the ending was superb).

We didn't get out until half 2 in the morning, jumped in a taxi and went back to a mate's place and watched the making of featurette on DVD. We basically Killed Bill I think I fell asleep later on to the strains of the soundtrack, too.

Mad props to Carradine, man. His performance was STR8 GEM

B)

Kill Bill 1 - ****

Kill Bill 2 - *****

[Vemsie]

Glad you liked it Cal. Though I kinda knew you would.

[Calashnikov]

Glad you liked it Cal. Though I kinda knew you would.

Worth the wait, man. I'm kinda glad it worked out the way it did. I'd have been dying to check the sequel if I'd seen Vol.1 when it was originally released. All of those months woulda killed me.

It was cool catching the whole thing back to back.