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Whats differant about the normal cut we've seen and this japanese version?

edit - ah here we go

Note regarding the Japanese cut: As almost everyone must know by now, the version of Kill Bill Vol. 1 released in Japan is slightly different from the one released in the West. Most famously, part of the fight in the House of Blue Leaves goes into black and white in Western prints (in order to circumvent the MPAA’s phobia of excessive amounts of red blood). While Tarantino has, on several occasions, claimed that the Japanese version, which features the House of Blue Leaves sequence in full colour as well as various other shots that were deleted or altered to avoid an NC-17 rating in the Western prints, is not a “director’s cut” but simply an alternative version, this would seem to contradict his repeated marketing of the film in Japan as “full-strength Kill Bill”. Here is a complete list of the differences between the Western and Japanese versions (stolen shamelessly from IMDB):

- The opening scene between The Bride and Vernita Green has two alternate angles shown when The Bride asks for a towel instead of keeping the overhead shot.

- In the anime sequence, one of Boss Matsumoto's men has his face smashed into a wall twice, rather then just once.

- In the anime sequence, when O-Ren Ishii kills Matsumoto and tells him to look at her face, she asks him to look at more facial features (nose, chin. etc.) to be recognized, and then before pulling the knife out, there is a close up shot of her moving the knife up his stomach and then finally pulling it out. There are a couple of close up shots of Matsumoto's face as he's dying as well that were eliminated from the US print and then a pan up shot of Matsumoto's blood covered and disemboweled body.

- The "House of Blue Leaves" fight is not only in full color, but features about 9 new shots missing from the US print which include:

- A close up of the first female Crazy 88 (Julie Manase) gargling blood after being pinned to a wodden pillar by a sword. This shot, while cut from the US version of Vol 1, showed up in the end credits of the US cut of Vol 2.

- A shot of The Bride stabbing two Crazy 88s at once using her own sword as well as another Crazy 88's sword.

- A ten foot high super backflip that The Bride executes before landing back down to pop out one of the Crazy 88's eyes. This shot appeared in the TV spot teaser, but disappeared soon after.

- The Bride jabbing a Crazy 88 in the throat with her "snake fist", and the partially armless Sofie Fatale giving a disgusted reaction.

- A shot of another female Crazy 88 attacking only to get slashed in the throat and spraying blood everywhere.

- The first appearance of the "Kid Crazy 88" (the one who gets spanked with the sword). In this shot, we now find out why he's missing a mask later on. As he's about to attack The Bride, she swipes his mask off. We see he's just a kid, and he gives the universal "don't hurt me" sign. The Bride has a look of shock on her face in realizing he's just a kid, so she grabs him, throws him across, knocking 3-4 Crazy 88 into a blood filled mini pool. This shot of the 3-4 falling, while cut from the US version of Vol 1, also showed up in the end credits of the US cut of Vol 2. Overall, this "mini scene" helps establish The Bride's look of surprise even more when she sees the young Crazy 88 the last time... and his follow up "don't hurt me" look even funnier.

- A shot of a Crazy 88 getting slashed across the chest and spraying blood all over a wall.

- When The Bride jumps onto the shoulders of one of the Crazy 88, after she slashes another one across the face, the Crazy 88 she's standing on tries to attack her from below. She parries the attack and cuts his hands off. The shot then cuts to the forward sommersault.

- Since the fight is already in color, the close up "eye shot" of The Bride blinking is cut. Instead, the first part of the close up before she blinks is shown, however, at the point when she normally blinks, there is a replacement medium shot of her standing slightly fatigued and holding her sword out.

- Finally, after the "House of Blue Leaves" fight, is the most infamous of the missing scenes and that is Sofie Fatale's extended "trunk interrogation" scene. After The Bride warns Sofie about cutting off something, instead of cutting back to Sofie in the hospital, The Bride is shown grabbing Sofie's arm and screams "GIVE ME YOUR OTHER ARM!". Sofie starts to panic, but then The Bride chops off her other arm, causing blood to splash onto the screen and Sofie begins screaming again.

Also, the Japanese cut replaces the “Old Klingon Proverb” at the beginning of the film with a dedication to filmmaker Kinji Fukasaku.

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- The Bride jabbing a Crazy 88 in the throat with her "snake fist", and the partially armless Sofie Fatale giving a disgusted reaction.

I actually think she throws the plucked eye in to his mouth choking him.

It certainly explains Sofie's disgust better.

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Finally, after the "House of Blue Leaves" fight, is the most infamous of the missing scenes and that is Sofie Fatale's extended "trunk interrogation" scene. After The Bride warns Sofie about cutting off something, instead of cutting back to Sofie in the hospital, The Bride is shown grabbing Sofie's arm and screams "GIVE ME YOUR OTHER ARM!". Sofie starts to panic, but then The Bride chops off her other arm, causing blood to splash onto the screen and Sofie begins screaming again.

That bit was shocking, but so ace!

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Hawkeye

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I haven't seen the Japanese version, but watched the UK edition of Volume 1 for the first time last night and thought it was prety awful.

The script was dreadful, it seemed really forced. Lucy Lui was appauling in her delivery of lines, and the entire film seemed badly thrown together. I also never thought I'd see the day were QT got the music in his film so wrong, it was totally at odds with the movie at times.

Many scenes could have been cut including the crappy Anime section, the part in the Japanese bar, and the good awful fight between the bride and a million odd Japanese folk towards the end.

Oh, and somebody needs to tell QT the floods of spewing blood look both childish and stupid. The entire film looked to have been shot to provide nice still shots, not to be a good movie.

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I haven't seen the Japanese version, but watched the UK edition of Volume 1 for the first time last night and thought it was prety awful.

The script was dreadful, it seemed really forced. Lucy Lui was appauling in her delivery of lines, and the entire film seemed badly thrown together. I also never thought I'd see the day were QT got the music in his film so wrong, it was totally at odds with the movie at times.

Many scenes could have been cut including the crappy Anime section, the part in the Japanese bar, and the good awful fight between the bride and a million odd Japanese folk towards the end.

Oh, and somebody needs to tell QT the floods of spewing blood look both childish and stupid. The entire film looked to have been shot to provide nice still shots, not to be a good movie.

I disagree with all of that. Well, the script of Volume 1 is not that special but that was the point of it all. Volume 2 is a lot better in that respect though. As a whole it's one of my favorite films ever.

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I'm glad somebody else likes it! Everyone I know seemed to make the decision to not enjoy any of it the moment the opening credits started...

Actually, I decided when the credits rolled that I was gonna absolutely love it. It was only the two hours that followed that slowly chipped away at that decision.

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Bah! Why couldn't they have released this version over here to start with? We're not the bloody yanks - we can stomach bare nipples and bodily fluids.

Well, I'm glad that I didn't go and get the western version last weekend, then.

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http://www.empireonline.co.uk/site/feature...lt.asp#killbill

Both parts (including the cut material in the Japanese version) recut into a single film, the way it was presumably meant to watched originally. Cancel your KB2 dvd pre-orders and wait for the definitive version.

Was always going to happen, but official confirmation is ace.

Edit: it doesn't actually mention a DVD release, but I give them until Xmas to release it. Someone Delorean me...

http://www.rllmukforum.com/index.php?showt...66&hl=kill+bill

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"Time will be kind to Kill Bill, that’s for sure, and given time to breathe, and without the weight of hype, it will reveal itself as the film Tarantino intended it to be. It may even, dare we say it, be his best film. But history will be the judge of that. "

I have to say it's already my favorite QT movie and one cut will most certainly be one of my favorite films of all time.

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I think Tarantino gets better with each film.

I've been a fan since Reservoir Dogs was an Art House film. It was that film which made me get a Laser Disk player as there was no VHS release for ages (down to silly hysteria in the UK).

QT is well established now but it's hard to overestimate the impact he had with RD and the influence he's had on cinema. Not bad for a talentless rip-off merchant.

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