Kill bill

[Harmunt]

After the fantastic credits (showing all characters from both volumes) you'll get Uma plucking out an eye.

So no final lines after the 'The lioness is reunited with her cub and all is well in the jungle'.

When the credits finished you see Uma winking at the camera.

[Vemsie]

When the credits finished you see Uma winking at the camera.

That's right. Forgot to mention that.

[emjay2kay]

really? that's pretty fricken cool.

Tarantino loves having crossovers in his films.

Mr Blonde and Vincent Vega are brothers, Mr White mentions working with Alabama from True Romance, the brand of cigarettes that Mia Wallace and Butch smoke in Pulp Fiction has an advertisement in the airport in Kill Bill 1.There's a fair few more bits, but I can't remember them all. But they are all really nice little bits that fans can enjoy, without being at the expense of someone who doesn't understand it.

And Vemsie has talked me round to agreeing with him. The Bride certainly does have a lot more depth than any of Tarantino's other characters, although it must be said, we didn't have 2 films to get to know Vincent Vega or Jules Wingfield. The Bride in just Volume 1 or 2 on it's own, doesn't have the same depth, and it'll be interesting to see how that carries across when the films are put together, and (hopefully) edited down.

[Preacher]

Out of interest, does anyone know the name of the piece of music that sounds like a bizarre siren? Used when the Bride watches the California Moutain Snake arrive at the trailer, as it focus in on the Brides gaze.

I saw the second part today and I came away impressed. I echo the thoughts of others with regards to Pei Mei, and the beard thing - for some reason, I was the only person in the cinema laughing (it was funny, right?)

Without going too deep into it, I thought the second film was ultimately a far more interesting affair, but also feel that that as one, entire movie, it would've worked better (for me at least).

[:mediadavid:]

Out of interest, does anyone know the name of the piece of music that sounds like a bizarre siren?

That's an ironside excerpt - never seen the show, so I don't know what its an excerpt of, but its on the vol.1 soundtrack.

[CrispinG]

I echo the thoughts of others with regards to Pei Mei, and the beard thing - for some reason, I was the only person in the cinema laughing (it was funny, right?)

Were you the only person in the cinema? Everyone was in hysterics every damn time in Florida.

[Vemsie]

In good old Eindhoven Pai Mei, the crushed eyeball, the scene where they talk about Emilio the goldfish and the mention of 'Shogun Assasin' generated the most laughs.

[Preacher]

Cheers for the ironside tip.

I suspect everyone in the cinema (must've been 20 people max) was morbidly stupid, because despite the movie being hilarious in places (especially when the diner dude spots The Bride walking from the graveyard really fast, with dust and all sorts of other crap wafting off her), not one laugh.

The only truly shocking scenes were the live burial. Real tension in those scenes, very well done and even made me feel claustophobic.

[CrispinG]

You Dutch freak. Everyone was cringing like a motherfucker at that eyeball. It was horrid.

[:mediadavid:]

Not too many laughs in the dundee odeon either. I felt like a bit of a gimp chuckling by myself while everyone else remained stony faced.

[emjay2kay]

The Goldfish and the Bride walking into the Café and asking for water got the only laughs in the cinema.

There were only 6 of us mind, but I don't think any of us found the other bits funny. Shogun Assasin, maybe we just didn't get.

[Vemsie]

You Dutch freak. Everyone was cringing like a motherfucker at that eyeball. It was horrid.

It even got an applause in the cinema that I was in. Something that rarely happens in Dutch cinema.

I forgot the 'A glass of water, please' sequence. Another funny one.

[CrispinG]

I thought the goldfish monologue was pretty disturbing, actually. The implication was that her kid is already following in Bill's footsteps, isn't it?

[Vemsie]

Shogun Assasin, maybe we just didn't get.

A four year old girl watching a violent flick like Shogun Assasin befoe she goes to sleep if pretty funny I think. It's the Aristocats in the original script btw, after that it became Samurai Jack and in the end he went for this. Good choise.

[Vemsie]

The implication was that her kid is already following in Bill's footsteps, isn't it?

No, I don't think so. Though I have never killed a goldfish in my life.

[CrispinG]

The kid is already killing things without any compassion, and it's closely followed by Bill's second monologue about Beatrix being a 'born killer'.

[Vemsie]

The kid is already killing things without any compassion

I saw it as a kid toying with and learning about the concept of life and death. A bit like children burning ants or pulling spiders legs or something. I think B.B. will never kill an animal again. What will happen is Nikky (Vernita's daughter) killing Beatrix and B.B. killing Nikky.

[CrispinG]

Normal children don't torture insects or stamp on goldfish, sir.

[emjay2kay]

I thought BB showed regret at having killed Emilio? (The fish's name was Emilio wasn't it?)

And it appears I did get the Shogun Assasin joke, I just didn't laugh at it. I thought since you guys found it quite funny, it might have gone a little deeper than SA being a violent film, and her mum being an assasin aswell. Figured maybe I'd missed something more specific.

Anyway, I'm off to see it again on Sunday in a much bigger cinema, with a lot more friends, and no doubt the cinema will be pretty much full. So I'll see how the audience reacts to some of the jokes in that one. (I like seeing some films twice. I always ignore some of the action and focus on stuff in the background, to pick new stuff out, particularly relating to Tarantino's crossover with his other work.)

[CrispinG]

I'm not exactly sure, but as far as I recall, she just stamps on the fish and tells Bill, "He stopped flapping."

I thought it was a pretty obvious indication of the path she's going to follow.

[emjay2kay]

Normal children don't torture insects or stamp on goldfish, sir.

I never pulled the wings off of moths or stuff like that as a child (I chopped a worm or two in half with a spade though), but I know plenty of people who did. It's curiosity, and I don't think is an indication of violence to come.

It's no different to when I see my cousin. She's facinated by my glasses, as most small children are. They just want to play with them because they haven't seen them before. Now, my little cousin isn't going to grow up wanting to try on everyone's glasses. Nor do I think BB is going to grow up wanting to kill more and more stuff.

[Vemsie]

Normal children don't torture insects or stamp on goldfish, sir.

I'm not sure about that. It's a well known fact Peter Molyneux tortured ants, a big inspiration for Black and White

I can't recall the whole scene of the movie but I have the script lying next to me and it reads:

Bill: You want to tell mommy what happened to Emilio?

B.B.: I killed him. I didn't mean to, but I stepped on him and he stopped moving.

Bill: Emilio was her goldfish. She came running into my room holding the fish in her hand, crying: daddy, daddy, Emilio's dead.

....

Bill: And i asked her, why did you kill Emilio? And she said she didn't know. But I knew why. You didn't mean to hurt Emilio, you just wanted to see what would happen ff you stepped on him, right?

B.B.: Uh-huh.

Bill: And what happens when you stomp on Emilio, is you kill him. And you dicovered that, didn't you?

B.B.: Uh-huh.

Bill: Se we drove down to the beach, had a little funeral, and gave Emilo a burial at sea. And right know I'm sure he's as happy as can be, swimmin around in fish heaven.

But the point being , our child learned two very important lessons. One, about life and death. The other, somethings once you do, they can't be undone. I knew just how she felt.

You loved Emilio, didn't you?

B.B.: Uh-huh.

Bill: Well sweety, I love mommy, but I did to mommy what you did to Emilio....etcetera...

I stand by my point. B.B. learned her lesson and will never kill another goldfish.

[CrispinG]

That is NOT the dialogue as it appears in the film, Vemsie! There's nothing about a 'burial at sea'. In fact, she's intentionally very coy about the whole thing, and it's played out in quite a sinister fashion, with Bill extracting the truth from her - she DID intend to stamp on Emilio. Why do you think it's even in there? Just for the sake of it?

[Vemsie]

That is NOT the dialogue as it appears in the film, Vemsie! There's nothing about a 'burial at sea'. In fact, she's intentionally very coy about the whole thing, and it's played out in quite a sinister fashion, with Bill extracting the truth from her - she DID intend to stamp on Emilio. Why do you think it's even in there? Just for the sake of it?

The fish burial is cut but most of the other stuff made it in (Bill describing the scene where she ran into the room crying for instance). From the script it's quite clear she was sad and to be honest that's the impression I got from the movie as well. Se did intend to stomp on him to see what happens but she did regret it and learned that some things can never be undone. It provided QT with an analogy to Bill shooting The Bride.

BILL....I love Mommy too...

....but I did to Mommy, what you did to Emilio.

[CrispinG]

Sounds reasonable. I hadn't considered that. But I still got the impression from the scene that Tarantino was implying you can't get away from your roots - BB will grow up to be no different to Bill or Beatrix. I thought it was supposed to reflect the Superman monologue more than Bill's real feelings about busting a cap in Beatrix's crown.

[MrPogo]

Man, you're made out of stone. Vince Vega is just a lazy bum who reads magazines while taking a shit and that's it.

Completely off topic, but reading that again reminded me of something I saw on the X-Files once. Someone was looking for a gun in Mulder's apartment, and after tearing the whole place upside down glanced at a Pulp Fiction poster outside the bathroom door, then when straight to the bathroom worksurface thing next to the toilet and found the gun taped underneath it. Mulder obviously wanted to make sure he wasn't caught out whilst on the bog

[Vemsie]

Sounds reasonable. I hadn't considered that. But I still got the impression from the scene that Tarantino was implying you can't get away from your roots - BB will grow up to be no different to Bill or Beatrix.

The way I see it is that most of the tears that Beatrix sheds at the end are for Bill. Not just because she lost him but mostly because he kept her girl and was a very good father to her. Just as Beatrix will be a very good mother.

And all is well in the jungle.

[Despin]

Hey there.

At the end those are tears of Joy.

Despin out.

[Vemsie]

Hey there.

At the end those are tears of Joy.

Despin out.

Yes. Joy that her daughter is still alive and that she was raised well. Though I'm quite sure there are some tears for the loss of Bill as well.

[Despin]

Hey there.

There is no mention of it in the script.

INT. MOTEL ROOM BATHROOM - MORNING

The Bride is on the floor of the motel room bathroom, crying

her eyes out.

She shoves a towel in her mouth so B.B. won't hear her.

We wonder for a moment what's wrong...

Till we see her face in CU...

Her tears are tears of joy.

She can't believe this is even happening.

Her daughter is alive. They're together. They get to begin

again.

She covers her mouth so B.B. won't hear her crying and get

worried or confused.

But as the deadliest woman on the planet, lies on the motel

room bathroom floor, smile on her face, twinkle in her eyes,

happier than she's ever been, she thinks one thought. Over

and over again....

Thank you god...thank you god...thank you god...thank you

god.

In Tarantino's eyes she was as happy as Larry.

Despin out.