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I've never encountered a poster so blatantly and transparently taking the piss out of the forum than Chase for as long or without any real consequence, nor one as successful in somehow getting others to continue to respond to his posts as if he's actually genuine.

Oh for fuck's sake - nice one. Ruin it, why don't you?

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MAG is a smoke and mirrors joke and a dull trailer. Show me some gameplay stuff then it'll pique my interest. That's not pessimism it's realism.

Sony's shady gameplan is to show something in video (home, killzone etc.), then struggle to attain something that looks like it years later. Respect to developers like Insomniac who actually deliver and deserve gamers attention, not platform marketeers trying to put a positive spin on vapourware.

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Tom* ever the voice of reason.

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Chase and Anarchist Orangutan, yesterday.

Wow.

And I thought Chase was supposed to be the forum troll?

Funny that a video games forum that whines about trolls as much as Discussion does seems not to actually like games, so much as it does actively trolling those who do. Biglime surely was right. What a tired, apathetic bunch you are.

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Biglime surely was right. What a tired, apathetic bunch you are.

Holy smoke. Why does this kind of line get dragged out every time a few people express a contrary opinion about something?

And usually by the kind of people who absolutely slate stuff that they don't like as if they are arbiters of good taste for everyone else.

There's no point even having a thread if you don't accept that some people will attack/defend a Gold subscription and love/hate LBP. You might as well just link to the conference and lock the fucking thing.

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Imagine if in one of the football threads the standard response to a club (Sony) claiming they're signing some wonderkid (are developing a promising game) wasn't to get excited but to say "fuck off Fergie", laugh right in his stupid purple nose and bemoan the fact this 'wonderkid' isn't a hollywood signing from some other glamorous champions league team (big name developer). Then laugh even harder when all anyone can find is YouTube footage (FMV video) of the player - however promising - and mercilessly rip the piss out of anyone who dares get excited by the player's prospect (Chase), even as other football forums (NeoGaf) and the specialist press (Edge) follow suit. But no! No one can seriously imagine this player coming good, can they? They must be having us on! He's going to be shite!

Imagine if people really acted like that in the football threads, wouldn't you have to wonder whether they actually love the beautiful game as much as they claim?

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As well as being a woeful metaphor on a number of levels, that's an interesting one as it reveals your view that everyone here is a 'supporter' of a particular console under attack from fans of rival clubs.

I (and I know some others here) couldn't give a shit which platform MAG is on. My comments would have been the same. Not interested in the brand, in the league table, in the club. Obviously, your seeing things this way suggests that you are.

I think this might colour your view of the game (sorry, player. Sorry, foetus. Sorry, ultrasound scan) rather more than it does some other posters'. Which would explain your otherwise inexplicable level of defensiveness.

You know what? I saw some crap games on other platforms at E3. Some of the few titles I liked the look of were on PS3 (mainly PSN stuff as it happens). It made no difference that they were on a system I no longer own. But this wasn't one of them - it was a piece of FMV, and a vague concept sketch. That's all.

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My analogy for MAG is that it's going to turn out to be a bit like Test Drive Unlimited, in that there may be 256 people on the servers but you'll only interact with a certain number at once.

So there will be this massive online battlefield, but you absolutely won't be fighting with 251 other people at the same time. It'll all be smoke and mirrors to make you think that you are.

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What happened to Raize's comment about the analogy working if Fergie had a long history of announcing these amazing signings which appeared 4-5 years later, if at all, and turned out to be a waste of money (and drugs: WOMAD)? That was pretty spot on, I thought.

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As well as being a woeful metaphor on a number of levels, that's an interesting one as it reveals your view that everyone here is a 'supporter' of a particular console under attack from fans of rival clubs.

I (and I know some others here) couldn't give a shit which platform MAG is on. My comments would have been the same. Not interested in the brand, in the league table, in the club. Obviously, your seeing things this way suggests that you are.

I think this might colour your view of the game (sorry, player. Sorry, foetus. Sorry, ultrasound scan) rather more than it does some other posters'. Which would explain your otherwise inexplicable level of defensiveness.

You know what? I saw some crap games on other platforms at E3. Some of the few titles I liked the look of were on PS3 (mainly PSN stuff as it happens). It made no difference that they were on a system I no longer own. But this wasn't one of them - it was a piece of FMV, and a vague concept sketch. That's all.

I thought someone might accuse me of this. Obviously the analogy isn't perfect - by their very nature none are. But for the record I don't even own any of this gen of consoles yet. In the past I've owned an N64 (the greatest console ever made, IMO), GameCube, PS2, Xbox, GameBoy Color and GameBoy Advance. When a mate bought a PS3 a few months ago I told him it's the most overpriced, pointless platform ever and he should have bought a 360 instead, while I personally went into this E3 hoping Nintendo would do a good job of selling me the Wii. A Sony fanboy I am not. I just thought their conference was awesome...

The point where the analogy breaks down, you're right, is in the way in which the videogame fan - developer relationship is obviously different to the typical football fan - club relationship. But there's problem in assuming for the sake of argument that the football fan is merely a neutral who enjoys watching exciting football (playing amazing games) for their own sake and merely reckons Man U's (Sony's) youth team (1st party development studio) and feeder clubs (2nd party developers) are no longer up to snuff and so has become disgruntled with the (in his opinion) poor football Man U have forced him to endure recently.

In fact, even if you aren't willing to do that and assume the football isn't a neutral but a die-hard Man U fan then he'd have more reason, not less, to be cynical since if the wonderkid doesn't work out this is clearly bad news for him as his team will have to put up with having one more shite player to fuck things up on the pitch, where as a gamer can just buy the game and pretend it never existed.

On what other levels is the metaphor woeful? Is it because it's about football?

Depends if that club has a history of signing "wonderkids", only for them to take 4-5 years to show up (often they don't show up), and are normally, to continue your analogy, a terrible player and a huge waste of money when they finally do show up.

Sony have published loads of amazing games in the past and KillZone and LBP will be out soon enough, mate. Let's look forward to them, eh?

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I thought someone might accuse me of this. Obviously the analogy isn't perfect - by their very nature none are. But for the record I don't even own any of this gen of consoles yet. In the past I've owned an N64 (the greatest console ever made, IMO), GameCube, PS2, Xbox, GameBoy Color and GameBoy Advance. When a mate bought a PS3 a few months ago I told him it looks like the most overpriced, pointless platform ever and he should have bought a 360 instead, while I personally went into this E3 hoping Nintendo would do a good job of selling me the Wii. So A Sony fanboy I am not. I just thought their conference was awesome..

The point where the analogy breaks down, you're right, is in the way in which the videogame fan - developer relationship is obviously different to the typical football fan - club relationship. But there's problem in assuming for the sake of argument that the football fan is merely a neutral who enjoys watching exciting football (playing amazing games) for their own sake and merely reckons Man U's (Sony's) youth team (1st party development studio) and feeder clubs (2nd party developers) are no longer up to snuff and so has become disgruntled with the (in his opinion) poor football Man U have forced him to endure recently.

In fact, even if you aren't willing to do that and assume the football isn't a neutral but a die-hard Man U fan then he'd have more reason, not less, to be cynical since if the wonderkid doesn't work out this is clearly bad news for him as his team will have to put up with having one more shite player to fuck things up on the pitch, where as a gamer can just buy the game and pretend it never existed.

On what other levels is the metaphor woeful? Is it because it's about football?

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I knew that would be to abstract for Discussion, even if they are essentially both entertainment industries and with all the obvious parallels that brings.

My analogy for MAG is that it's going to turn out to be a bit like Test Drive Unlimited, in that there may be 256 people on the servers but you'll only interact with a certain number at once.

Despite the fact you're just assuming it's not going to work (thereby adding more weight to Lime's assertion this place has become too cynical for its own good) - nevermind people gawking at me - this analogy's actually terrible sine in Test Drive obviously there aren't going to be 256 people in the same race at the same time, where as it's the explicit aim of MAG that there will be up to 256 in the same battle at the same time. All your argument does is assume they'll fail because no other game has achieved anything comparable before. In the videogame industry! That's progress, eh?

Anyway, I can't be arsed with this thread any more. I'm sure you'll all take that as some sort of resignation of defeat. But really, arguing about videogames with those who are senselessly cynical about them does begin to tire after a few days. Don't worry you can continue moaning about Chase now.

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I think that the people who you are accusing of being senselessly cynical might argue that you are being senselessly credulous. I'm sure that you aren't - and conversely, I'm sure that neither are they. They're just being thoughtful, as, I assume, are you.

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I knew that would be to abstract for Discussion, even if they are essentially both entertainment industries and with all the obvious parallels that brings.

Despite the fact you're just assuming it's not going to work (thereby adding more weight to Lime's assertion this place has become too cynical for its own good) - nevermind people gawking at me - this analogy's actually terrible sine in Test Drive obviously there aren't going to be 256 people in the same race at the same time, where as it's the explicit aim of MAG that there will be up to 256 in the same battle at the same time. All your argument does is assume they'll fail because no other game has achieved anything comparable before. In the videogame industry! That's progress, eh?

Anyway, I can't be arsed with this thread any more. I'm sure you'll all take that as some sort of resignation of defeat. But really, arguing about videogames with those who are senselessly cynical about them does begin to tire after a few days. Don't worry you can continue moaning about Chase now.

Holy shit - you can't have played TDU as you obviously have no idea how the game is actually structured online - in fact, with N64 being your favourite console of all time and your own admittance to owning none of the next gen consoles I'm amazed you felt in a position to be making recommendations to a mate as to what he should/shouldn't buy - I think that tells me more about how to interpret your posts here than anything else.

When there's fuck all concrete info on a game then this is what happens - ideas will be bandied about, people will draw on past experiences to make guesstimates at where it'll go and others will look to the developer in question to assert their suitability/potential to deliver on the promise.

If you don't like that I guess you're best off out of it rather than berating people and providing the lulz with football analogies.

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Sony has had experience with large scale FPS gaming in the past in the form of SOE's PlanetSide, I think MAG could indeed live up to the 256 players claim. The battles were pretty damn big in PlanetSide too, hordes of folks could get involved with guys on foot, guys in vehicles, and guys in aircraft in a large scale persistent world and that was released 5 years ago. It was pretty well organised as well, with ten player squads each with their own leader and chat channel, a number of squads formed a platoon with squad leaders having a chat channel available, you'd have overall leaders who could bark orders at everyone else (you needed to build up experience as a squad leader to rise through the command ranks), and they had a built in clan system called Outfits that housed up to 100 people.

One thing is for sure though, MAG will look no-where near as good graphically as that CG trailer.

Microsoft has been looking into this kind of thing too by the way:

Even though I don't currently own a PS3, it's great to see more devs giving the massively online FPS stuff a go - some of my fondest experiences in gaming are from PlanetSide.

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There are tons and tons of optimists on rllmuk, it's just they don't post too often. (just look at places like the fable, movie and creative threads)

We mostly get the pessimists and realists being vocal.

(and the one who's only sad purpose in life is to wind up the entire forum and undermine everything this place is about)

The optimists get beat down by the pessimists. That's why they don't post here any more.

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My analogy for MAG is that it's going to turn out to be a bit like Test Drive Unlimited, in that there may be 256 people on the servers but you'll only interact with a certain number at once.

So there will be this massive online battlefield, but you absolutely won't be fighting with 251 other people at the same time. It'll all be smoke and mirrors to make you think that you are.

You might be right.

Much like the missions in Ace Combat 6. There are multple battles going on at the same time on the same battefield, but they are related in the long run in terms of objectives.

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big boy, MAG was the showboating end of the conference; and it was generic war FMV that is why people picked up on it. My initial impression was that it looked some B roll cutscenes from Frontlines with some animated graphics, showing troop movements and256 players inserted. These were the only really big reveal by the trailer and not really much of a shock and awe gaming moment. I'll love it when it is a fantastic online game and not some concept that has been prematurely been pushed into the spotlight wearing a fur coat but currently sporting no knickers.

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