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Joss Whedon's Dollhouse - R.I.P


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Oh. Well, maybe he left for a bit and came back?

Not that I recall. Have you seen the end of season 5?

He dies in the last episode, in one of the saddest scenes of the series. If this is when you stopped watching, then that was the last episode before it got cancelled.

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I loved the Jasmine part. The whole Beast thing was a load of tedious "EVIL-SUPER-BEING-COMES-AND-FUCKS-THINGS-UP" rubbish, with Angel and Cordelia having a contest to see who could get as fat as possible. Angelus was shit, too. He was one menacing fucker in Buffy, but in Angel he was like some rubbish piss-take.

Harsh dude, wasn't Charisma C. pregnant at the time? Doesn't explain Boranez's blimp impression though. The award for supreme fat-champ still goes to Zandar in season 3/4. He was a monster.

All this Buffy talk is going to send me back to the DVDs for sure.

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I didn't like Angel Season 5 particularly (Although it did have some amazing moments..."You're Welcome" :'(...the ending...).

Might have to re-watch the entire series now ;)

(Out of interest anyone reading the Season 6 comics?)

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Nah, there were other great writers working on the show, like Jane Espenson. Episodes like Conversations With Dead People and Superstar were excellent.

True enough; there were a few gems. But she also wrote dross like 'Doublemeat Palace'. Fuck, man.

I'm tempted to give seasons 1-3 a run through again (I sold 4-7) but the last time I did it I got bored during the first episode.

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Man I cant believe you fell ffor it, and I've been resisting pointing out chases error, thinking it was a beard.

Well I did think it wasn't due out until next year beforehand, but people are usually pretty clued up on here. I'm so naive. :(

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  • 4 weeks later...

Whedon on Dollhouse:

"The show was ruined by Flim Flinear. Okay, that's another lie, and you're probably close to giving up on this blog, so here we go. Yes, we've had to make adjustments. Yes, it's been hard and I've been depressing to be around for awhile. Basically, the Network and I had different ideas about what the tone of the show would be. They bought something somewhat different than what I was selling them, which is not that uncommon in this business. Their desires were not surprising: up the stakes, make the episodes more stand-alone, stop talking about relationships and cut to the chase. Oh, and add a chase. That you can cut to. Nothing I hadn't heard before on my other shows (apparently my learning curve has no bendy part) but frustrating as hell given our circumstances - a pilot shot, scripts written, everybody marching together/gainfully employed... and then a shutdown. Glad I was for the breathing room, but it's hardly auspicious. So back into the writer cave I went, wondering why I put up with this when I can make literally dozens of dollars making internet movies. Why I do put up with this is divided into three parts.

One: They're not wrong. Oh, we don't see eye-to-eye on everything, but wanting the first episodes to be exciting and accessible is not exactly Satanic. Being Satan is, but that's in their free time and hey, there's no judging in the Dollhouse. This kind of back and forth has happened on every show I've done, so if you liked those, chances are that was a part of why. And the need to focus on the essentials of what makes this universe tick - and which wire to cut to make it stop - really does bring up our game. So we as a staff have gone from blinking like unhoused moles to delving in with the same relish we had when we started. The show is really coming together now, in a way that I believe excites us and satisfies the Network. Of course, I have no idea if anybody else will like it, but I have the same faith in the staff, the crew and the remarkable cast that I always did. More, in fact. And what's more crucial:

Two: Nothing essential has changed about the universe. The ideas and relationships that intrigued me from the start are all there (though some have shifted, more on that), and the progression of the first thirteen eps has me massively excited. The episode we're shooting now I wrote as fast as anything I have before, not because I had to (although, funny side-note: I had to) but because I couldn't stop the words from coming. Because I can feel the show talking to me; delighting, scaring and occasionally even offending me. It's alive. Alive! Which is a far cry from how I felt a month ago. It's been hilarious trying to keep up with what's in, what's out, who's met whom and when - we've shot all of the first seven episodes out of airing order - but it's come together in a pretty thrilling way. My huge gratitude to our cast for their precision and patience. Which also includes...

Three: Eliza. Watching her on the monitors at two o'clock this morning I was reminded forcibly how much I wished I were in bed – but also how strong, radiant and unmistakable her presence is. She's someone who could coast on talent and never ever does. I love to watch her work. In fact, I think I got myself into this mess for that very reason, and though I have this fall occasionally sworn never to eat lunch with an actor I like again, I’m pretty pleased and crazy proud.

So here's me, slogging away on a show like days of old and not hating life. Again, you guys will be the judge, jury and execu... lawyer, but we do have something to show you. Something, I'm chuffed to say, still pretty damn strange."

In other news, Jane Espenson, the second best writer ever, is now on board as a writer of this show.

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Ah right, read it on another thread and didn't check the date.

The latest news is that Time Magazine reviewed the pilot, and said it was good overall. Something about how they'd continue watching more for Joss's showrunning/writing than for Eliza Dushkus role/acting.

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