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I enjoyed that a lot more than last week's opener. In fact, in some ways it would have done a far better job of kicking off the series than that did. It certainly did a far better job at fleshing out the characters, found room for a little Whedon wit in the dialogue, and I'm a lot more interested in the series now that I actually know what it's about. :)

It's still got a fair way to go to match up to Whedon's other shows, but this was a step in the right direction. Like Hexx though, I can't see how the show could last beyond a single season in its current format. I have a feeling there's going to be some kind of massive twist somewhere towards the end of the season.

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I thought that was definitely an improvement on the season opener. And Happertesch, it's like Hexx said, the reason for him hunting her is explained by the end of the episode, and quite well to be honest. There now seems to be a bad guy in place, and a mysterious one at that.

Like others in here, I'm not sure where they can go with the concept, other than it changing radically. Because at some point, Echo is going to have to regain her memories of her original self, escape, possibly want to take down the Dollhouse. But then you remove the concept of the show, unless possibly scientist guy goes rogue with her -- or she finds the guy who invented the original tech -- and sets up her own mini Dollhouse, implanting herself with the required personalities to help her combat the original Dollhouse.

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or she finds the guy who invented the original tech -- and sets up her own mini Dollhouse, implanting herself with the required personalities to help her combat the original Dollhouse.

i assume its going to be something like this. i thought the hunter guy might have been an imprint clone of the original alpha.

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I thought that was definitely an improvement on the season opener. And Happertesch, it's like Hexx said, the reason for him hunting her is explained by the end of the episode, and quite well to be honest. There now seems to be a bad guy in place, and a mysterious one at that.

Well, if there's actually a reason I'll finish watching it. I've recharged now, so I can probably survive another 15 minutes. :)

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Because at some point, Echo is going to have to regain her memories of her original self, escape, possibly want to take down the Dollhouse. But then you remove the concept of the show, unless possibly scientist guy goes rogue with her -- or she finds the guy who invented the original tech -- and sets up her own mini Dollhouse, implanting herself with the required personalities to help her combat the original Dollhouse.

Didn't Caroline / Echo "volunteer" into the Dollhouse for a 5 year contract as shown in the 1st ep? I don't there will be any revenge plot going.

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Big improvement. The FBI agent still seems a bit irrelevant, hopefully he won't spend every episode going over the sets from the last episode. Echo was uninteresting again, but the show doesn't seem to be about her as much as the publicity suggested beforehand. I wonder if they've used Dushku as an easy hook to sell the show.

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I wonder if Whedon was a fan of Joe 90...

From IMDB:

Joe McClaine is a 9-year-old boy whose adoptive father has developed a method of transferring specialist "brain patterns", and hence skills, into his son's mind. As a result, Joe is able to become a test pilot, brain surgeon, etc, as needed. Combined with his innocent appearance, he becomes an agent for the World Intelligence Network.
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I wonder if Whedon was a fan of Joe 90...

From IMDB:

I wonder if Whedon was a fan of The Matrix? :)

Plenty of sci-fi stories have used the idea of "imprinting" skills and memories, even Red Dwarf, which did it no less than three times! (Bodyswap/Holoship/Thanks For The Memory). Dollhouse just uses to concept in a different way.

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Well I'm loving it. No idea what the disappointed amongst us are on about.

Here's my Alpha theory (although I'm sure it's full of holes)

Alpha is Echo. Or at least Echo killed all those people at the Dollhouse after getting an Alpha imprint. And she killed that guy disguised as a cop that was left in the surveillance van.

My theory also

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I thought Alpha was the guy watching Echo's yearbook footage at the end of the first episode? If not, who was that guy?

Still good stuff. Not the best show in the world, and I can't imagine it'll last long, but I'll be following it for as long as it does.

Oh, and after a couple pages of discussion about the second episode I can't believe nobody mentioned the most important thing about it:

THE MIDDLEMAN!

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Oh, and after a couple pages of discussion about the second episode I can't believe nobody mentioned the most important thing about it:

THE MIDDLEMAN!

I was just about to mention it honest. I thought it was quite a decent episode. Obviously hugely improved by the great Matt Keeslar.

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I enjoyed the third episode, it was the most recognisably 'whedon' episode yet. I think he's very good at doing self contained episodes that also advance the story. This week's dialogue seemed much more entertaining, there were a few laughs and I think he's more than capable of doing funny and serious at the same time.

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I'm finding the whole alpha business rather obvious, to the point that it undermines the handler's character as he isn't supposed to be stupid. So far, it's been improving episode on episode. It's still rather silly, and has to many "look what Dushku can do!" moments.

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I enjoyed the third episode, it was the most recognisably 'whedon' episode yet. I think he's very good at doing self contained episodes that also advance the story. This week's dialogue seemed much more entertaining, there were a few laughs and I think he's more than capable of doing funny and serious at the same time.

I actually I thought this was the most...disheartening episode so far. It was more like what the "normal" episodes would be like, and showed up the shows main flaws.

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I actually I thought this was the most...disheartening episode so far. It was more like what the "normal" episodes would be like, and showed up the shows main flaws.

I thought this weeks was dreadful. You're right about it showing up the flaws of the show, the scenarios the dolls get implanted into are totally boring. 40 minutes of some moaning singer and 2 minutes of actual storyline. In Quantum Leap the lives Sam would get dropped into were interesting and fun, here they're just ZZZZZZZ.

I think I'm done with it.

Anyone else worried that Chase hasn't posted in here since it started? He's not been banned or anything, has he? I don't really venture beyond this folder, so I wouldn't really know.

He's banned.

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You're right about it showing up the flaws of the show, the scenarios the dolls get implanted into are totally boring. 40 minutes of some moaning singer and 2 minutes of actual storyline. In Quantum Leap the lives Sam would get dropped into were interesting and fun, here they're just ZZZZZZZ.

QL also didn't have some ham fisted "comparison" with a doll though.

I didn't see Victor coming though.

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I thought this weeks was dreadful. You're right about it showing up the flaws of the show, the scenarios the dolls get implanted into are totally boring. 40 minutes of some moaning singer and 2 minutes of actual storyline. In Quantum Leap the lives Sam would get dropped into were interesting and fun, here they're just ZZZZZZZ.

I think I'm done with it.

He's banned.

Well, that explains it. Whaddit he do?

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This was pretty poor. More using a science fiction premise to do a dull riff on The Bodyguard than actual science fiction. This sort of episode was always going to be the problem with this series. Might be an idea to have Echo carry out a mission flawlessly now as well, things going wrong every week is going to wear thin.

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Ok, three episodes of this and I can't get over how WEIRD it is - it's like there's a gaping hole where the central character should be.

Subtract her personality which gets rebooted every week and isn't hers anyway, and you're left with a show that's fundamentally about Eliza Dushku doing kung fu in short skirts. Which is fine by me, it's just a bit weird.

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I would've hoped the whole dollhouse business would've become to backdrop to some personal drama, as someone said if things go wrong every week it can't stay interesting, and I think it takes something away from any character development. "She's the best" but she almost screws up every time? WAT

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