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Jonathan Creek New Years Special (now featuring Easter special talk)


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So, did anybody watch this? I used to love a bit of Creekers back in the day, though it got worse as it went on. I was hoping for a triumphant return tonight, but really didn't get it. The new sidekick was awful, the storyline didn't make any logical sense, and the script/pacing made so many missteps that my girlfriend and I kept thinking we'd missed something.

For example:


Why didn't the new sidekick care that her friend had gone missing?

Furthermore, after being dunked into a septic tank full of dead bodies (including her friend) she cried for the remainder of the scene and then reverted back to her perfectly happy non-character persona again.

Who the hell was she anyway? I missed the first four minutes, but I couldn't work out why she turned up at the pub looking for Creek in the first place. Did we miss a scene where the old ginger lady passed on his location? He also seemed to know her from somewhere, did I miss something?

What was the point in the 'emergency tracheoctomy' red herring? Why didn't the sidekick have a sore back when she woke up in the house for the first time? Why on earth would the bee-keeping journalist decide to help the evil magician kill his wife? What kind of sensible person does that?!

What was the point in the painting? It wasn't even a red herring, as it was never connected to the storyline to begin with. Some vague explanation (as if anything about it needed to be explained rather than omitted) in which she stands motionless for about 30 seconds before choosing to take the painting over an old man in a chair. Oh how evil, and therefore she gives birth to an evil son. But doesn't Jonathan Creek always despair at this kind of mumbo jumbo thinking? Wasn't that was good about it to begin with?

The humourless 'porn' subplot made no sense either... I'm just sure Jonathan Creek would grin at the prospect of his boss losing all his money. Nevermind about where his wages would come from! And the final scene, in which his needless 'girlfriend' somehow tracks down a man in Miami (from a grainy picture of his face alone) reminded me of the party scene from Lost Highway. Weird.


It's almost as if they wrote half of it while they were drunk and then tried to join the rest of it together when they sobered up.

Weeeeeeeeeeeird.

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That was shockingly shite. I don't think JC would ever "not know" where he was in a building relative to everywhere, but the main mystery wasn't that bad.

As soon as the paper showed up you knew who was in on it (they made a big point earlier) - although I assumed all the ransom money was to pay the japs off.

Also groundskeeper didn't seem to upset or shocked that the old lady was a killer...

General horrible chemistry between the two leads (mainly cus the Actress and character sucked) and in a MASSIVE need of a edit down to about an hour - it really felt like two stories (which is was really) only barely thought out and just smashed together.

Speaking of. In the time she'd "thought" about which to save, she could easily have saved both. Took about 2minutes to decide!

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I enjoyed it, whilst agreeing with all of the above. Surely part of the pleasure with this sort of thing is shouting "Rescue the cripple and the painting, you daft bint!"?

Me and the 3 friends I texted about it during her decision all agree ;)

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It seemed to me that David Renwick was unable to get out of the "Love Soup" mode long enough to write Jonathan Creek again. As a result it seemed like a rubbish episode of Love Soup combined with a rubbish episode of Jonathan Creek.

I thought Sheridan Smith was OK though. And her friend who got murdered was fine on the line.

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I can't remember Jonathan Creek that much but was it always so far-fetched? I'm sure I used to think how clever it all was back in the day, but with this I was just thinking "this is completely absurd." Mainly the scene in the hospital at the end where they were recapping. It was just too unbelievable. To say nothing of that one from the IT Crowd and how that ended! I liked the actual mystery and its solution, but the rest of the plot was just... Too far.

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I agree with everyone else. It started ok enough but as it progressed I just found it all ridiculously silly and convoluted and like they couldn't decide which story to focus on. I'm sure it's definitely not nostalgia talking because even from years ago I can recall some very elegant and clever solutions to episodes but this just didn't work for me at all. Also I've never liked it since Caroline Quentin left.

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I agree, it wasn't great. Which was a shame, if it leads to new series though I wouldn't complain.

Why didn't the new sidekick care that her friend had gone missing?

Not sure what you mean by that as she was and mentioned it a few times.

Who the hell was she anyway? I missed the first four minutes, but I couldn't work out why she turned up at the pub looking for Creek in the first place. Did we miss a scene where the old ginger lady passed on his location? He also seemed to know her from somewhere, did I miss something?

Yeah, it was covered at the start

Why didn't the sidekick have a sore back when she woke up in the house for the first time?

I thought she did? Might be mistaken though.

she stands motionless for about 30 seconds before choosing to take the painting over an old man in a chair.

That was bollocks yeah, she couldn't easily saved both.

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I didn't get how they managed to get those Koreans to film something and then get an old bloke to read a specific paper..didn't even mention that did they? Also i thought the bath idea was a brilliant one that i would never have thought of, but what the fuck did that have to do with birds flying into a window? And the painting? And the old fella in the wheelchair which the old hag decided to kill...

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but what the fuck did that have to do with birds flying into a window?

On Day 1 Jonathan thought the room was "misplaced", but he heard a bird hit then windwo and then went outside and saw a dead bird under the window so he assumed the room was where it looked like.

Turned out that was a different bird on a different day that hit the window where the room should have been.

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On Day 1 Jonathan thought the room was "misplaced", but he heard a bird hit then windwo and then went outside and saw a dead bird under the window so he assumed the room was where it looked like.

Turned out that was a different bird on a different day that hit the window where the room should have been.

Weird, weird plotting indeed. The bath was a good invention, I'm sure they could have written that into a shorter and more concise episode.

Not sure what you mean by that as she was and mentioned it a few times.

She didn't give two shits, except during one scene where she said "we don't even know if she's alive or dead!" though she didn't look like she minded either way. Then of course she gets

dumped into a tank full of dead bodies including her friend

and dries herself off just in time to go out to dinner later that night. Maybe she needed a little cheering up...

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Well, I really enjoyed it despite all of the above.

The kidnap/newspaper story was unecessary and silly but the bath trap was almost genius, except if the bath was full the plug would be in it so when the mechanism returned the bath would still be full of water, scooping it up it would surely spill everywhere giving everyone a major clue to what was happening. Yet it was never mentioned that in all cases a bath of full water was found. To avoid that they could've had a slight drop before the water tank, but the plug would still have been in. They didn't seem to mention the bath until the revelation.

There was a small drop so it's not full and the rest can just drain out of the plug hole and I guess you can assume that everyone just had an early bath before anyone came in to check on them so it would just drain normally.

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Well, I really enjoyed it despite all of the above.

The kidnap/newspaper story was unecessary and silly but the bath trap was almost genius, except if the bath was full the plug would be in it so when the mechanism returned the bath would still be full of water, scooping it up it would surely spill everywhere giving everyone a major clue to what was happening. Yet it was never mentioned that in all cases a bath of full water was found. To avoid that they could've had a slight drop before the water tank, but the plug would still have been in. They didn't seem to mention the bath until the revelation.

The other problem was the three red herrings: the ripped clothes, the dead birds and the hypotenuse triangle stuff were all intriguing and pointed to a clever resolution, but were unconvincingly used to explain what was essentially a cheap trick, that the room below wasn't the one we were told it was... which stretches plausibility somewhat, but obviously not as much as the newspaper storyline.

The stories did used to be cleverer - I think my favorite was the one with the murderer who bricked himself up inside his victims bunker.

The bath descending would have yanked the plug out, and indeed they showed a close up of the empty plug with the last bits of water draining away. No splashing either because the bath was designed to ascend really slowly.

But of course they would have torn everything apart in investigating the first disappearance anyway, never mind the others.

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The bath descending would have yanked the plug out, and indeed they showed a close up of the empty plug with the last bits of water draining away. No splashing either because the bath was designed to ascend really slowly.

But of course they would have torn everything apart in investigating the first disappearance anyway, never mind the others.

All this talk has been helpful in constructing my own

murderbath

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Dreadful. Six people disappear in that room over the years and it's taken them that long to discover its secret. Where were the police in all this? Once the discovery was made the place would have been under their control and *everyone* would have been taken in for questioning.

And like someone else said, how come the blonde sidekick wasn't more distressed? Your mate disappears and you're there at the main culprits stage show cheering him on. What?

And the utter, utter shit that was the 3D porn sub-plot.

I still don't understand the motive for the main crime. It's not logical.

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Right.

Magician loved her, but she loved Gardner. She...for some reason...had a secret affair with Gardner and a secret wedding. Somehow Magician found out about this, and was worried she'd leave him (and she knew all the secrets about the magic).

So rather than a NDA or something he decided to kill her in an elaborate stunt.

Because his mother taught him to value success/prosperity over human life because of an oil painting or something.

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thing that annoyed me the most about this was that no one was in the least bit bothered that someone they cared for or loved had died.

no where near as good as some of the original ones... my favourite being the one where the guy bricked himself up.

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Have to agree...I enjoyed this, but it was so full of holes it was ridiculous. A few favourites:

Gardener/roadie discovers that his employer has brutally murdered his new wife. Does he vow revenge or even shed a tear? No, he keeps on doing the murderer's gardening.

Sheridan's mate at the start - was she an orphan? Nobody even missed her or called the police.

Sheridan finds the murder warehouse by stowing away in the back of a sealed truck. However when she gets locked in a trunk a bit later she's able to text Jonathan the address and directions.

The aforementioned immediate recovery after being dumped in a water tank full of corpses (including that of your friend). And best of all, once it's found there's no implication that ANYTHING is done about it. No cops, forensics etc...by the end I was shouting at the old woman 'Never mind that painting, you've got a CORPSE TANK in your HOUSE!'

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