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Did Angel end properly like Buffy did? Or just get cancelled or whatever...

Generally Season 5 was a bit of a mess. I think they responded to the criticisms of Seasons3/4 a bit too strongly (that it was overly arc focused).

There was also some horrid casting and plot choices. (Eve. The silly plot against Angel with "Doyle"), but it has some amazing episodes. (You're Welcome...sniffle)

I'm not sure if they knew the end was coming, or if there learnt half way through and slightly adjusted the end of the season.

IMO The final episodes were a perfect end to the series though. I can't really explain why without spoiling the end though. It makes it's final statement, let's say that. :0

It also, like Buffy, continues in "Official" comics form. But, like Buffy, I think the comics are too fantastical for what was quite a grounded series.

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Official ten best episodes of Buffy. No arguments:

1. Once More With Feeling (6x07)

2. Becoming 2 (2x22)

3. The Body (5x16)

4. Hush (4x10)

5. Passion (2x20)

6. Lover's Walk (3x08)

7. Fool For Love (5x07)

8. The Zeppo (3x13)

9. The Gift (5x22)

10. End of Days (7x21)

Excellent as standalone episodes anyway, there are others that are an absolute joy within the context of their given series.

The five most rubbishest:

1. Wrecked (6x10) the worst drug addiction metaphor ever.

2. Doublemeat Palace (6x12) The burgers are people!

3. Listening to Fear (5x09) Rubbish baddie, utterly forgettable

4. Reptile Boy (2x05) Why did no one remember this?

5. I Robot, You Jane (1x04) There's a demon in the internet, lol whut.

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Official ten best episodes of Buffy. No arguments:

1. Once More With Feeling (6x07)

2. Becoming 2 (2x22)

3. The Body (5x16)

4. Hush (4x10)

5. Passion (2x20)

6. Lover's Walk (3x08)

7. Fool For Love (5x07)

8. The Zeppo (3x13)

9. The Gift (5x22)

10. End of Days (7x21)

Whither Restless? But yeah, I can't disagree that all those are amazing. I have many, many more favourites but as I started thinking about them I realised I'd just end up listing most of the series :rolleyes:

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Official ten best episodes of Buffy. No arguments:

1. Once More With Feeling (6x07)

2. Becoming 2 (2x22)

3. The Body (5x16)

4. Hush (4x10)

5. Passion (2x20)

6. Lover's Walk (3x08)

7. Fool For Love (5x07)

8. The Zeppo (3x13)

9. The Gift (5x22)

10. End of Days (7x21)

:rolleyes:

Hand in your fanboy T-Shirt at the door.

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I feel the need now. ;)

I remember watching it when it first came on tv and I was just "wow!" The first series I really got into. ;)

Towards the end (the last few seasons) it wasn't quite as great- but still a whole lot better than anything else.

Oh! And Xander! When I first started watching I was absolutely obsessed with him. I wonder what the actor's up to now?.. *goes to check*

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I feel the need now. :D

I remember watching it when it first came on tv and I was just "wow!" The first series I really got into. ;)

Towards the end (the last few seasons) it wasn't quite as great- but still a whole lot better than anything else.

Oh! And Xander! When I first started watching I was absolutely obsessed with him. I wonder what the actor's up to now?.. *goes to check*

He and his twin brother ended up doing gay porn ;)

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It received a proper ending with a huge stand off and a daft back of the head shot episode with Buffy in. Though Angel never received a real final Buffy crossover. The love story just petered out and I think it was down to Gellar being a bint refusing to make an appearance due to her movie career.

This isn't the case. She'd been signed up to appear in an episode, but it was the writing staff's decision not to use her.

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This isn't the case. She'd been signed up to appear in an episode, but it was the writing staff's decision not to use her.

I thought they wanted her for 5x20 (or was it 21?) - "The Girl in Question" - but she couldn't make it due to scheduling conflicts. Hence the 2 second "back of head shot" by a SMG look alike.

SMG said she was available for the finale 5x22, but the writing staff didn't a) want to make the finale all about a guest star, or B) retread old ground in the last episode...

Argh, fucker. That one's way off, it's 17 or 18 isn't it. If you had to use an epguide to check then you lose at the internet though tongue.gif

I don't know which one it is, I just know it's not 20 (i.e. the episode exactly before Becomming ;))

Filthy lies. He was in that Kitchen Confidential show, not seen him since.

Filthy dreams ;)

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I finished watching my complete box-set late last year, so it's a bit early to be going back again, but I really want to re-rewatch season 2. I'd managed to forget most of it by the time I first rewatched it, which made it pretty amazing all over again.

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The five most rubbishest:

1. Wrecked (6x10) the worst drug addiction metaphor ever.

2. Doublemeat Palace (6x12) The burgers are people!

3. Listening to Fear (5x09) Rubbish baddie, utterly forgettable

4. Reptile Boy (2x05) Why did no one remember this?

5. I Robot, You Jane (1x04) There's a demon in the internet, lol whut.

Agree with the top 3 but while 4 and 5 are bad they take place during the highschool years and so I;ll always have a place in my heart for them. The bloody Jonathon episode from season 4 should definitly be there and also Beer Bad.

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Agree with the top 3 but while 4 and 5 are bad they take place during the highschool years and so I;ll always have a place in my heart for them. The bloody Jonathon episode from season 4 should definitly be there and also Beer Bad.

I loved the Jonathan episode. Whilst I didn't like the general direction they took season 6, I thought Alison Hannigan put in some pretty cracking performances all round.

I think with the exception of maybe two episodes, pretty much all of season 1 is quite poor. I'd say that Beer Bad is the winner for terrible-ness though. Buffy was a show that never really preached. Beer Bad fell foul of that and I think that's its worst crime.

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hush surely redeamns season 4 no? One of Buffys best.

Its hard to say how much Buffy impactred on me, i never watch it now but 17/18 i fucking loved it so much. Spike is so amazing i was actually gay for him at one point, this guy we used to hang out with at the local metal club, from Leeds, had the whole SPike get up and a zippo engraved with the Spike on it to :wacko:

Anyway. Angel season 1 and 5 are amazing, the episode "Hero" iirc with the Nazi style demons in it and

Doyles death made me wanna cry

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1. Once More With Feeling (6x07)

2. Becoming 2 (2x22)

3. The Body (5x16)

4. Hush (4x10)

5. Passion (2x20)

6. Lover's Walk (3x08)

7. Fool For Love (5x07)

8. The Zeppo (3x13)

9. The Gift (5x22)

10. End of Days (7x21)

You are having a LAUGH if you think Restless isn't a top ten buffy episode! Apart from that, it's a great list (about 8 of those episodes are my most watched episodes of the show), better than most peoples ones. I'd drop Hush down a little and stick The Gift higher, and there's many episodes better than End of Days (which does get a good rep, but I find it hard to remember - many of the season seven episodes kinda merge together in my memory).

Incredible series, anyway. Lets not get too busy with discussions about the worst episode. For some reason every single online discussion about Buffy turns into a debate about the worst episodes/seasons. You don't hear Charles Dickens fans constantly talking about his worst books now, do you? :wub:

Oh and, Once More With Feeling. If I'm honest, I don't see that episode of tv ever being beaten by anything else. It's not as brilliant on a storyline level as, say, some of the best episodes of the West Wing are (although the storyline of OMWF is very good) it's just that, the songs are so good.

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You are having a LAUGH if you think Restless isn't a top ten buffy episode! Apart from that, it's a great list (about 8 of those episodes are my most watched episodes of the show), better than most peoples ones. I'd drop Hush down a little and stick The Gift higher, and there's many episodes better than End of Days (which does get a good rep, but I find it hard to remember - many of the season seven episodes kinda merge together in my memory).

Incredible series, anyway. Lets not get too busy with discussions about the worst episode. For some reason every single online discussion about Buffy turns into a debate about the worst episodes/seasons. You don't hear Charles Dickens fans constantly talking about his worst books now, do you? :wub:

Oh and, Once More With Feeling. If I'm honest, I don't see that episode of tv ever being beaten by anything else. It's not as brilliant on a storyline level as, say, some of the best episodes of the West Wing are (although the storyline of OMWF is very good) it's just that, the songs are so good.

Restless is completely and utterly brilliant within the context of the show. It's a great piece of character analysis and foreshadows latter seasons cleverly. As a stand alone ep it's uncomfortable. I'd never pick it out in a list of ten to watch but as the 22nd episode of the 4th of seven seasons it's pretty much perfect.

I have a massive geek hard-on for New Moon Rising as well but that's on a purely personal level.

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Just finished a couple of episodes from season 3. Really enjoyed the fact that the Scooby gang were pissed at Buffy for leaving though she didn't explain the whole I stabbed reformed Angel to hell part, and it was nice too that she helped 'Anne' in the end. Now on the episode with Faith who rocks too!!.

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