Jump to content

eBay says: if you sell a videogame you must post it for FREE


Sketch
 Share

Recommended Posts

They're doing this in a few categories...

Basically, for EONS sellers have gouged postage to avoid paying fees/make their items look cheaper.

Anyone with sense would have either changed the system to apply fees to postage OR capped postage - but eBay love fucking their sellers so they choose to do this instead.

If Buyers said they'd spend more if they got rimjobs from sellers - eBay would make it mandatory - eBay are 100% totally about the Buyer - without Buyers they die - despite the fact that Buyers give nothing to them (directly).

eBay will be the first example of how management destroys a 'e-business success story' - give them 5 years and we'll be picking-over the ruins (arguable we already are as it's turning into a PlayTrade/Amazon Marketplace clone - the feedback system has been gutted - the rating system is easily fucked by competitors etc.).

I've said it before and I'll say it again - a competently thought-through, well funded auction site which focusses on the collectables/speciality market which made eBay great in the first place - would succeed in the same way eBay has - there is NO doubt in my mind about that - eBay Sellers are just waiting - queueing even - for it...

In fact, I'm astounded Amazon or something of that ilk hasn't done it already - eBay wouldn't know what had hit them - buyers will go where the product is - and sellers will go where the buyers are AND where they aren't being fucked...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I've said it before and I'll say it again - a competently thought-through, well funded auction site which focusses on the collectables/speciality market which made eBay great in the first place - would succeed in the same way eBay has - there is NO doubt in my mind about that - eBay Sellers are just waiting - queueing even - for it...

In fact, I'm astounded Amazon or something of that ilk hasn't done it already - eBay wouldn't know what had hit them - buyers will go where the product is - and sellers will go where the buyers are AND where they aren't being fucked...

Everyone who has even attempted to do so has been closed due to lack of growth. Don't make it sound so easy because it clearly isn't.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes, I am angry.

The thing is, I was always generous with my postage costs, very generous, and often ended up absorbing half the cost myself. Now because a few people charged too much, it's spoiled for everyone.

And you can't simply up the product price, some items naturally sell for a low amount. This new rule effectively stops anyone from selling a low value item.

Same here.

Thing is, I'm not now going to have to raise prices by just the p&p amount, I'm going to have to go higher because it will also kick up the Ebay fees.

That's all very well, but there are a great many unknowing buyers who won't be impressed by that and will instead turn to buying games from Hong Kong because they're cheap and offer free postage (despite being shoddy pirated efforts) or from well-off bulk sellers who can absorb the cost.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Someone badly needs to take on eBay. They've been taking the piss with their fees for years. Sadly it's a social problem rather than a technical problem: all the buyers are on eBay which encourages all the sellers to be on eBay.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Amazon marketplace is often just as bad.

It used to be a long time ago but I don't think it is possible for a seller to specify P&P these days (unless I'm miss something).

Still, FREE P&P is nothing really. Prices tend to be above average, a game costs about what, 70p to post? Free P&P means reduced list fee?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It used to be a long time ago but I don't think it is possible for a seller to specify P&P these days (unless I'm miss something).

Still, FREE P&P is nothing really. Prices tend to be above average, a game costs about what, 70p to post? Free P&P means reduced list fee?

70p? Nah, at least £1.50 nowadays, and that's assuming you have jiffybags spare and don't have to buy more. Postage alone cost me £2.10 last week to send a DS game 2nd class recorded.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not sure I follow, what's not a normal auction?

In this case, a listing by anyone who's sane enough not to list every item for .99p starts

buying games from Hong Kong because they're cheap and offer free postage (despite being shoddy pirated efforts)

[Citation required]

Games also happen to be cheap from Hong Kong because games are cheaper there. Ds/GBA maybe (there are and have always been uk people doing the same!), but nothing else.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I've said it before and I'll say it again - a competently thought-through, well funded auction site which focusses on the collectables/speciality market which made eBay great in the first place - would succeed in the same way eBay has - there is NO doubt in my mind about that - eBay Sellers are just waiting - queueing even - for it...

Too specialised and don't succeed.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

70p? Nah, at least £1.50 nowadays, and that's assuming you have jiffybags spare and don't have to buy more. Postage alone cost me £2.10 last week to send a DS game 2nd class recorded.

Nah, large letter stamp is 52p which covers a DVD-sytle game. I posted a DS game a couple of days ago and it cost me 69p. £2.10? That's way OTT, at least for posting a DS game. Use an alternate delivery method? E.g. Parcelforce vs. Royal Mail parcel service for, say, a guitar is £8 versus £18. I'm sure there are equivalent savings to be made for other packages.

I always offer free P&P on my game auctions anyway (and on the forum) so I'm sure you can to. Deal with it! :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Nah, large letter stamp is 52p which covers a DVD-sytle game. I posted a DS game a couple of days ago and it cost me 69p. £2.10? That's way OTT, at least for posting a DS game. Use an alternate delivery method? E.g. Parcelforce vs. Royal Mail parcel service for, say, a guitar is £8 versus £18. I'm sure there are equivalent savings to be made for other packages.

If I flat pack it, maybe or don't bother with a jiffy bag (which leads to the possibility of a seller complaining because there is some sort of nick in the cover plastic). Otherwise it won't fit through the fucking slitty little letter box thing they measure letter size by in the Post Office (no one has a letter box that small).

The forum is different, P&P is accepted to be included in the cost. I don't appreciate the Ebay side of that comment though - After they siphoned their fees I'd have little left after p&p for a game I'd sold for £10. Sure. that's fine if you're bereft of commitment or are in a comfortable financial situation but I'd have missed out on a lot of desperately-needed money over the past year if I'd had to cover postal costs entirely by myself.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Too specialised and don't succeed.

There's a tidal wave of sellers sick of eBay DYING to return to a auction (not BiN) focussed specialist/collectable format with a community/fair feedback system - anyone who can't marshall forces behind that deserves to fail.

You need to re-invigorate the auction too - eBay (and others) have completely failed to capture the spirit of an auction online.

Done properly an auction offers the most money for the seller - eBay's retarded system just offers teh least for sellers and the most for the sneakiest buyer...

Whatever youdo, you'd need a stack of cash to promote it - but with ebay's fee structure it wouldn't be hard to make the money back and still be cheaper - focussing on the sellers means you'll get the goods - get the goods and you'll get the buyers...

Just because other's have tried and failed does NOT make this a bad idea - plenty of much-lauded authors were turned down by dozens of publishers - people shunned The Beatles (not enough of them IMO) etc. etc.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

They did this recently on DVDs. TBH I haven't noticed a big change in the amount I get for my DVDs since the change, because before, people always factored into the amount the P&P cost. So people now buy the DVDs for a bit more than before.

I can see how this may affect small businesses using Ebay though.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

In addition to the free P&P - another change they're making is that despatch estimates are now mandatory - which I assume means that failing to meet them will be grounds for a formal buyer complaint.

Given that eBay consider anything other than flawless service a detriment (if you only perform averagely your rating will drop to the point your listings drop to the end of the search) this is just more work for sellers I guess.

It's crystal clear that eBay love their big sellers - esp people like Schuh and The Book People that they're recently recruited - and are happy to drown everyone else really.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I fucking hate eBay and PayPal, they're a bunch of greedy bastards.

This is basically because sellers have been knocking up the postage so they can list the item cheaper there by not getting charged as much.

The biggest pisstake is now HAVING to accept PayPal, so not only do they definitely get a cut from the auction, they definitely get a cut from your sale too. Greedy jewish bastards.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just because other's have tried and failed does NOT make this a bad idea - plenty of much-lauded authors were turned down by dozens of publishers - people shunned The Beatles (not enough of them IMO) etc. etc.

It's not a bad idea. The problem is that your analogy is faulty. There's no one central person saying "No, it's rubbish" but rather several sites have tried and failed to get marketshare. It's a really, really, really difficult problem, and plenty of people have tried and no-one has succeeded. The core issue is the same as competing with MSN Messenger, Facebook, Twitter or anything else with any social interaction: the value of these sites are directly proportional to the number of users, and convincing people to move away from where the users are is going to be a real struggle.

I agree that serving a niche is the obvious way to attack the problem. It worked for Facebook, and the only site that's ever succeeded at taking on eBay to any degree is Etsy because it ploughed itself into a niche that eBay is notoriously terrible at. The problem is convincing that niche community that the advantages of your site hugely outweigh that of eBay's and its potentially higher returns, and that's incredibly difficult.

And no, no-one is going to throw stupid amounts of money in advertising to gain a foothold on the market. eBay spends hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising each year, and no-one is going to risk that sort of money on such a risky venture.

Edit: Oh, and Dawdle are trying to compete with eBay in the US with that niche being games.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I've said it before and I'll say it again - a competently thought-through, well funded auction site which focusses on the collectables/speciality market which made eBay great in the first place - would succeed in the same way eBay has - there is NO doubt in my mind about that - eBay Sellers are just waiting - queueing even - for it...

Just out of curiosity why do you think it hasn't happened before?

Greedy jewish bastards.

! eer he was Persian IIRC.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think it says a lot that ebays only serious rival - Yahoo - closed their doors because it wasn't doing the business. Only their Japanese auctions survived, and are still going because it's the only one that really competed against ebay.

If someone like Yahoo gives up, when they had a HUGE userbase, startups have got NO chance. Google are about the only ones who could pull it off, but the cost of doing so would be enormous.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I can't wait for someone to smash Ebay.

Me either. Thing is though, they didn't used to be actual cunts not too long back, believe it or not fee's weren't out of this world nor were you required to give a bit extra for being paid your money owed. Now they are riding on their worldwide success and robbing any fucker that wants to step up and make a bit of cash off their own back. Business model of eBay: hound anyone trying to make a profit so they barely break even whilst we ofcourse, make a profit.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Of course it's flawed, but it's better than coughing up more in charges. If you always sort your results by lowest price first (as I always do) then it doesn't matter what category your item is in.

A search that will bring up all the 1p start with ripp off postage charges first though. :)

Just select the 'Price + P&P: lowest first' option then.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I wouldn't now use eBay to sell my old junk anymore - DVDs, games, books etc. Considering the amount they charge in fees etc you're basically flogging something and getting sod-all for it. However, I've been fairly successful selling my painted figures on eBay - simply because I paint as a hobby, buy the models fairly cheap and mark up accordingly. There are folk who will pay (what I consider anyway) big money for things I never would. The other plus is that the things are nice and light, so postage is never that much of a problem (although packaging materials can be fairly pricey). But it's really the only place you can do it to get the word around - I'm not doing it as any sort of business, nor would I - so until something else comes along, you're basically stuffed.

I fucking loathe Paypal though - the idea is great, but the recent thing they've done to preclude sellers from getting at their money (on sales over £50 it seems) without detailed seller stuff basically means that in theory I have to send out the goods, wait for good feedback before I get anything. Now, I'm not a charity, nor am I a supermarket. I was under the impression that on-line commerce works by paying for something and then the goods get sent out, and I'm worried that this is starting to change. As a buyer, it sounds lovely, but as a seller it sucks.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It's easy enough. I'll just start my SNES games at 3.25 instead of 25p, an extra £1.50 if you're outside the UK.

I've had to do the same for DVDs already, since eBay rolled out this policy there. I actually found I seemed to get better prices for the stuff once I'd factored in P&P.

So I'm not that worried about it. Just start the listing at your break even price and let the market sort out the rest.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So basically this is because people aren't buying stuff on eBay, so they're forcing the sellers, the guys who make eBay their money, to (theoretically) shoulder the cost of P&P so people will buy more, and eBay will get more money due to more sales....but pissing off the people who make them their money.

This about right?

Ok I suppose you can get around it by including the P&P cost, but still a bit shitty.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not sure I follow, what's not a normal auction?

Eh?

So you suggest "charging" the additional postage charge.

You know how a "normal auction" works, you can only set the starting and optional reserve prices? You don't get to charge people what you want.

So let's say a game normally goes for about £10. In the old days you'd set a start of £2 and get £10. +P&P

Now you set a start price of £4 and guess what? You'll probably still only get £10. If you're lucky the bidders will be prepared to go a bit higher knowing P&P is free, let's say they go to £11. So you're now £1 worse off, plus you're paying ebay fees on £11 instead of £10.

Wankers.

To answer your question, "what's not a normal auction" is a Buy It Now. In that case, you could add what you would have charged for P&P. But you'll likely have a less attractive listing and you still get to pay higher fees if it does sell.

Wankers.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue. Use of this website is subject to our Privacy Policy, Terms of Use, and Guidelines.