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I think Nintendo are in a slightly precarious position now that Sony has caught up.

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Catching up 'technically' means nothing in respect to the casual market the products are aimed at. The casual market had no issue with Wii Sports which was considerably less accurate then Resort and whatever Move has in store. Don't forget that Nintendo's biggest selling games, outside of Wii Sports, don't even rely on the remote in a way that Move could have any influence on.

The only precarious position Nintendo are in is the risk of 'doing a Sony' and becoming completely complacent with the brand.

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Beertiger do your homework. It's embarrassing reading your ill informed opinions and watching you desperately trying to backfill the hole you've just dug as everyone points out the errors in your argument.

The bottom line is this - the entry level price for Move for existing PS3 owners is realistically around the £40 to £50 mark at the moment (Less if you already own the camera). For Kinect it's £120 to £130.

No one has pointed out an error in the argument yet though. It's embarrassing to see you come in here and still not comprehend that for two players Move is not that cheap at all. Try reading through from the beginning of the discussion next time sweetheart. Unless of course you're going to now argue how £110 is mad cheap compared to £130. If so can you wait while I get some popcorn. Thanks!

Of course Move is cheaper if you only want to play with one person and you already own the camera and a couple of games that are being patched and don't mind using the DS3. In other news Kinect is cheaper than a Move if you already have a 360 and no PS3. If you already own a Wii it's even better because you've got the original with the best catalogue of motion games available. No need to shell out on this bunch of next gen wannabes.

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No one has pointed out an error in the argument yet though. It's embarrassing to see you come in here and still not comprehend that for two players Move is not that cheap at all. Try reading through from the beginning of the discussion next time sweetheart.

Of course Move is cheaper if you only want to play with one person and you already own the camera and a couple of games that are being patched and don't mind using the DS3. In other news Kinect is cheaper than a Move if you already have a 360 and no PS3. If you already own a Wii it's even better because you've got the original with the best catalogue of motion games available. No need to shell out on this bunch of next gen wannabes.

Even if you dont want to play it one player, you con't have to buy everything at the same time. You can spread the initial outlay over the course of months if you want to. Personally I got the move starter kit and sports champions, I'll get another controller next month since the OH has decided that he likes it, and then around Christmas perhaps we will get the navi controllers. Hell of a difference between smaller spends like that and ponying up £129 off the bat.

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Yes and that's a nice way to dip your toe in if you're unsure or just spread the cost out. Although if you wanted a Kinect at launch you'd probably have known around E3 when the games were announced and could have saved a bit towards it every month. If however you do want the full simultaneous two player experience with a game then the cost will eventually be pretty similar.

I think the obvious thing is that they're totally different in what they're trying to do, even though both focus on motion games. You buy one of them in one go and the other in pieces. So once again, why come in here yelling how cheap Move is compared to Kinect like Barkbat did?

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Yes and that's a nice way to dip your toe in if you're unsure or just spread the cost out. Although if you wanted a Kinect at launch you'd probably have known around E3 when the games were announced and could have saved a bit towards it every month. If however you do want the full simultaneous two player experience with a game then the cost will eventually be pretty similar.

I think the obvious thing is that they're totally different in what they're trying to do, even though both focus on motion games. You buy one of them in one go and the other in pieces. So once again, why come in here yelling how cheap Move is compared to Kinect like Barkbat did?

Because.You.Don't.Need.To.Buy.All.Of.It

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You.Don't.Need.To.Buy.Any.Of.Them

or perhaps you could re-read the last sentence of the first paragraph. It's stating the obvious that one part of a controller with some free demos is cheaper than a device which allows for two players and comes with a game. There's no argument in that. It's just odd to compare them, While similar they both offer a different feature set and possibly completely different gaming experiences. It's not even an option to purchase Kinect in the same incremental manner as Move, so of course it's going to be more expensive.

Well yes, it would be if that's actually what I was talking about.

Well what were you talking about then? I though it was fairly obvious Kinect Adventures was being included as a sneaky way to include "added value". It's not like they actually think it's a good way to show off the technology and worth a £20-30 bump up in price. Unless of course Microsoft are stupider than we thought.

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Hmmm... Children of Eden looks interesting, if a little haphazard. I've never seen that before so I think I might investigate. That doesn't mean I'm getting Kinect.

You'll be able to play it on PS3 with Move so you won't need to buy Kinect on the strength of this game - unless something goes terribly wrong with the PS3 port, or it just doesn't feel right with Move.

I don't like the fact that it auto-fires for you though, it looks like a sweep-the-cursor-around-the-screen-to-win demo.

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You.Don't.Need.To.Buy.Any.Of.Them

or perhaps you could re-read the last sentence of the first paragraph. It's stating the obvious that one part of a controller with some free demos is cheaper than a device which allows for two players and comes with a game. There's no argument in that. It's just odd to compare them, While similar they both offer a different feature set and possibly completely different gaming experiences. It's not even an option to purchase Kinect in the same incremental manner as Move, so of course it's going to be more expensive.

Well what were you talking about then? I though it was fairly obvious Kinect Adventures was being included as a sneaky way to include "added value". It's not like they actually think it's a good way to show off the technology and worth a £20-30 bump up in price. Unless of course Microsoft are stupider than we thought.

Never doubt Microsoft in that regard ;)

I can see where you are coming from with regards to price but really thats Microsoft clutching at straws when they start showing off these price charts. I dont think people should be charged a premium just because something can technically support 2 players and saying its value for money. There are many people who will prefer to play alone or play online and so for these people its a lot more than what they would be spending on the motion controllers for other systems. The big problem though is that Kinect isnt doing anything that cant be done on the PS3 and it can be argued that Move is far more accurate than Kinect. There is no advantage or thing that Kinect can do better than the competition so it comes down to software which Microsoft are really lacking at the moment.

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Never doubt Microsoft in that regard ;)

I can see where you are coming from with regards to price but really thats Microsoft clutching at straws when they start showing off these price charts. I dont think people should be charged a premium just because something can technically support 2 players and saying its value for money. There are many people who will prefer to play alone or play online and so for these people its a lot more than what they would be spending on the motion controllers for other systems. The big problem though is that Kinect isnt doing anything that cant be done on the PS3 and it can be argued that Move is far more accurate than Kinect. There is no advantage or thing that Kinect can do better than the competition so it comes down to software which Microsoft are really lacking at the moment.

I didn't see your reply to me before this post Beertiger, but I was talking about what Ghost posted in bold.

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No one has pointed out an error in the argument yet though. It's embarrassing to see you come in here and still not comprehend that for two players Move is not that cheap at all. Try reading through from the beginning of the discussion next time sweetheart. Unless of course you're going to now argue how £110 is mad cheap compared to £130. If so can you wait while I get some popcorn. Thanks!

First of all you assumed the navigation controller was necessary, and you included that as part of your argument. Aside from that many of the multiplayer components in Move games require just one wand.

Of course Move is cheaper if you only want to play with one person and you already own the camera and a couple of games that are being patched and don't mind using the DS3.

The point here is that regardless of the amount of people you wish to play Kinect with, it's £130 minimum.
In other news Kinect is cheaper than a Move if you already have a 360 and no PS3. If you already own a Wii it's even better because you've got the original with the best catalogue of motion games available. No need to shell out on this bunch of next gen wannabes.

Well now you're just trolling.

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Children of Eden looks like a laggy mess. I'll keep an eye on the PS3 version, methinks. Am I reading too much into the fact all the adverts say 'Exclusively for Kinect!' apart from the Steel Battalion one, which just shows a picture of Kinect at the end? Maybe there will be a controller version?

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it would - however - work well on the Move... but I'm going to do a Smitty here and suggest that it'll be a piece of piss with Move if the game has been designed for general waving

Playing the game with Move doesn't necessarily involve using a pointer. As the orb is such an easy thing to track, you could have the PS3 version play exactly the same as the Kinect version, just more reliably.

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Watching that Child of Eden demo, the one thing that comletely passes me by is why would you want to play a game with that control method? Is it physically realistic. What if the game last 20-30mins. Maybe its designed for very short bursts.

I'm an early technology adopter but just don't see the appeal at all. It's new tech for new tech's sake. It seems to bring nothing to games apart from a sore shoulder.

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