New Super Mario Bros. Wii

[scottcr]

It's really a shame, this could be a fun little title to play, but due to proper lack of TLC that Nintendo usually give their games it will be nothing more than simply a fun multiplayer game to play. With a better art style that doesn't directly use graphics from the DS game, and actual online play, this could of been something special, but is instead just "okay" at best.

what?

yes - super mario galaxy was actually rubbish

sarcasm? beard?

[ras el hanout]

I thought that NSMB was a very weak game but this co-op stuff I like the sound of but its likely to be useable to me 364 days of the year beside christmas perhaps boxing day if I'm lucky. Nevermind I'll get over it *weeps into pillow*

I can see why you're so upset that the new 2d mario doesn't have one specific feature that floats your boat then!

I am kicking arses and taking names down onto my note pad.

[Darren]

It's really a shame, this could be a fun little title to play, but due to proper lack of TLC that Nintendo usually give their games it will be nothing more than simply a fun multiplayer game to play. With a better art style that doesn't directly use graphics from the DS game, and actual online play, this could of been something special, but is instead just "okay" at best.

I'll take that review copy off your hands if you don't like it then.

[simms]

I can see why you're so upset that the new 2d mario doesn't have one specific feature that floats your boat then!

I am kicking arses and taking names down onto my note pad.

Your still not making much sense to me. What do you mean?

[ras el hanout]

Your still not making much sense to me. What do you mean?

What I mean is, my friend, I mean, you sound like one of the people who would say something like "I don't really like recent 2d mario platformers."

And you sound like the person who would say "I like online co-op"

And then, as a coup des grace, you sound like the type of person who could somehow put all that together.

"I don't like 2d marios, I like online co-operative games, why the fuck isn't the 2d mario online co-operative!!"

TOUCHDOWN!!!

[Rudderless]

I'll take that review copy off your hands if you don't like it then.

Nicely put.

[simms]

What I mean is, my friend, I mean, you sound like one of the people who would say something like "I don't really like recent 2d mario platformers."

And you sound like the person who would say "I like online co-op"

And then, as a coup des grace, you sound like the type of person who could somehow put all that together.

"I don't like 2d marios, I like online co-operative games, why the fuck isn't the 2d mario online co-operative!!"

TOUCHDOWN!!!

WTF no all I'm saying is that I cannot experience the game like what they showed at the conference yesterday as I do not have real world people who will sit on my sofa and waggle a remote turned on its side to make an italian plumber and his buddies from toadstool land* navigate from left to right of the screen. I guess what I'm saying is a wanna be part of the Nintendo crew who say Nintendo are the BEST and say AMAZE in every Wii thread then we can all play co-op NSMB on my sofa.

*This may not be factually correct as I play FPS's all day long with a headset on

[Solid SOAP]

what?

yes - super mario galaxy was actually rubbish

sarcasm? beard?

I meant in regards to this game, I meant that it looked fun, but generic and bland.

I'll take that review copy off your hands if you don't like it then.

Do I need to own the game to be able to know that the graphics were taken directly from NSMBDS and that there isn't any online play (Which Miyamoto specifically said)?

[Made of Ghosts]

It's really a shame, this could be a fun little title to play, but due to proper lack of TLC that Nintendo usually give their games it will be nothing more than simply a fun multiplayer game to play.

It could have been fun to play, but instead it'll just be fun to play. Right.

With a better art style that doesn't directly use graphics from the DS game, and actual online play, this could of been something special, but is instead just "okay" at best.

So: it would be SPECIAL played online, with good graphics. But played with people in the room, with these graphics, it will just be OKAY. That's a bit clearer but still: what? I can see why you want online, but you can't say the gameplay will be worse because of its absence. Lack of online doesn't make it less fun, just less convenient. And as for graphics, I know it's naive to say they don't matter, but in a game like this they really don't. Clarity is by far the most important thing.

[ras el hanout]

WTF no all I'm saying is that I cannot experience the game like what they showed at the conference yesterday as I do not have real world people who will sit on my sofa and waggle a remote turned on its side to make an italian plumber and his buddies from toadstool land* navigate from left to right of the screen. I guess what I'm saying is a wanna be part of the Nintendo crew who say Nintendo are the BEST and say AMAZE in every Wii thread then we can all play co-op NSMB on my sofa.

*This may not be factually correct as I play FPS's all day long with a headset on

Life can be a bitch.

[Hewson]

I meant in regards to this game, I meant that it looked fun, but generic and bland.

Do I need to own the game to be able to know that the graphics were taken directly from NSMBDS and that there isn't any online play (Which Miyamoto specifically said)?

it will be nothing more than simply a fun multiplayer game to play.

You might need to own it to, you know, make a huge sweeping judgement about whether it's better to play than the imaginary version in your head.

[Loik V credern]

I think it looks horrid and charmless and watching the videos I'm not aching to play it right now or ever, which is weird, because I do actually like platform games a lot.

[Campfire_Burning]

I know you're being sarcastic, but I agree with this. Especially if you swap "mates" for "kids".

You're not saying the Wii is a . . . kiddy console, are you?

There's nothing wrong with sitting down with your mates/family to play a four-player console game together, but saying you can ONLY do that when the technology is available - even on the Wii - to take it online is ridiculous. Chu Chu Rocket did it ten years ago. That was AMAZING with four players in the living room, but it was bloody good online, even without party chat and Xbox Live gubbins, and with all the lag of a dial-up connection and a pay by the hour ISP.

I'm beginning to wonder if all the no-online-play apologists have ever played a decent online game in their lives. It's 2009, for God's sake. "I'm glad Nintendo made us pay extra for Wifi hardware. It's more fun if we don't use it!"

[ras el hanout]

I'm beginning to wonder if all the no-online-play apologists have ever played a decent online game in their lives.

That'll be it.

[Solid SOAP]

It could have been fun to play, but instead it'll just be fun to play. Right.

So: it would be SPECIAL played online, with good graphics. But played with people in the room, with these graphics, it will just be OKAY. That's a bit clearer but still: what? I can see why you want online, but you can't say the gameplay will be worse because of its absence. Lack of online doesn't make it less fun, just less convenient. And as for graphics, I know it's naive to say they don't matter, but in a game like this they really don't. Clarity is by far the most important thing.

No, it would of been special if they didn't decide to directly rip graphics from a portable game console for a $50 console game, especially if the art style was something original and new. Nintendo used to have great and original games, both visually and gameplay wise. Remember Yoshi's Story, with the entire game looking like a coloring/pop-up book? Or Donkey Kong Country with it's innovative prerendered graphics? Hell, the new Wario Land Wii game looks more creative than this visually. This just looks like a DS game, and probably plays like one too. I'm not saying this will be any less fun with a more original art style or online play, but it would be much more memorable and a lot less generic than it currently looks.

[Made of Ghosts]

If Yoshi's Island is a great looking game and runs on the SNES, then what's wrong with something looking like a DS game? Or playing like one? What does a DS game play like? What are these defining gameplay characteristics that every DS game possesses?

[Solid SOAP]

If Yoshi's Island is a great looking game and runs on the SNES, then what's wrong with something looking like a DS game? Or playing like one? What does a DS game play like? What are these defining gameplay characteristics that every DS game possesses?

Well for one, Yoshi's Island's graphics were ment to look like a painting, while NSMB is just... I don't know. It has no style and is quite generic.

Quite beautiful, actually. Compare that to one of the NSMBWii screens. While the latter might technically be better looking, it's severely lacking in style and, again, the graphics look almost directly taken from NSMB.

[Uzi]

Of course it has a style- like the DS game it's a take on the original mario bros

Also look at the graphics of the DS when blown up, the Wii one looks much nicer in the same style.

[Solid SOAP]

It does look better than the DS game, but it's done in a style so similar to it they look identicle when not directly compared side to side.

[scottcr]

It does look better than the DS game, but it's done in a style so similar to it they look identicle when not directly compared side to side.

because they are re-imagining of the same game?

You are clearly writing this game off because the graphics don't appeal to you.

[joffocakes]

I didn't really 'get' NSMB; I felt it got the feel of 2D mario way off, and this looks to be similar. It was still a great platformer, just not SMB great. I'll still probably get this though, because there's not a chance that 4player platforming won't be the funnest ever.

[Solid SOAP]

because they are re-imagining of the same game?

You are clearly writing this game off because the graphics don't appeal to you.

I'm not writing it off at all, I think it looks pretty fun, but it looks a little too similar to the DS game is all, which is making me reluctant to buy it because I don't want to feel as if I bought the same game.

I didn't really 'get' NSMB; I felt it got the feel of 2D mario way off, and this looks to be similar. It was still a great platformer, just not SMB great. I'll still probably get this though, because there's not a chance that 4player platforming won't be the funnest ever.

This isn't trying to be like the older titles at all, it seems to be trying to sell itself off the success of the DS game rather than the originals.

[Chopsocky]

I expect John Pickford is correct, and that they don't have any online in this because they couldn't get it working reliably

Miyamoto basically stated that the Wii was being overpowered by the action on the screen and online wasn't possible (kinda hard to believe).

It always seems to me that some of their potentially great games are just left by the wayside and forgotten due to lack of online (e.g 4 swords, Pac Man Versus). If they can implement online in a game like Brawl, this shouldn't be a problem. Any multiplayer game is more fun when your opponent is right next to you but the immediacy and freedom to set up an online game with anyone shouldn't be overlooked.

In any case if this is going to be an offline only game, the singleplayer will have its work cut out for it to top Galaxy and it will have to have more ideas than its DS sibling (for me to buy it anyway).

[hoot]

Netcode is not the reason why this isn't playable online, that's surely pretty obvious.

[Poppalarge]

This looks exactly like New Super Mario Bros. for the DS, only with 4-player co-op. The graphics are the same, the sprites are the same, the character models are the same, even the level themes are the same. This game looks like nothing more than a cheap mod, to be honest.

Yet I am loving it !

[JPickford]

Netcode is not the reason why this isn't playable online, that's surely pretty obvious.

It's not obvious. It's most likely the reason. It would be quite hard to disguise lag in a game like this.

Online hasn't been a big priority for Nintendo. They aren't going to change the game design to include it.

[Darren]

You're not saying the Wii is a . . . kiddy console, are you?

No, I'm saying that I like playing it with my kids.

There's nothing wrong with sitting down with your mates/family to play a four-player console game together, but saying you can ONLY do that when the technology is available - even on the Wii - to take it online is ridiculous. Chu Chu Rocket did it ten years ago. That was AMAZING with four players in the living room, but it was bloody good online, even without party chat and Xbox Live gubbins, and with all the lag of a dial-up connection and a pay by the hour ISP.

I'm beginning to wonder if all the no-online-play apologists have ever played a decent online game in their lives. It's 2009, for God's sake. "I'm glad Nintendo made us pay extra for Wifi hardware. It's more fun if we don't use it!"

I've played a few that I would consider to be decent online games, but that you might not. Real-time online interaction is not at all an attraction for me, with a family to fit my gaming around. My priorities are single player, multiplayer with the kids, and "asynchronous" online play, like the time trial challenges in Mario Kart. So I don't think I'm a no-online-play apologist - I'm just someone who isn't at all bothered whether it's there or not. I don't go into threads about online shooters complaining that I can't play them with my kids, I just accept that they aren't aimed at me.

[Liquid Myth]

Yet I am loving it !

Oh, that totally excuses it then. Hey everyone! Poppalarge pre-emptively loves it, so it's completely fine to knock out this lazy effort.

[phresh]

Lazy effort? Because clearly it is only graphics that define how much effort has gone into a game!

[Rudderless]

Lazy effort? Because clearly it is only graphics that define how much effort has gone into a game!

I think if half the complainers bothered to watch the proper video as opposed to just basing their impressions on the conference, then...well, they probably wouldn't be complaining as much.

I'm also not remotely bothered that it's not online, and I think part of it is to do with Nintendo wanting to get people playing in the same room together. That whole focus on local multiplayer is perhaps why it's been the success it has been, arguably it's as important to Wii as the accessibility of the controller.

Having seen the vids and the official site now, I'm convinced that Wii Sports Resort is going to be absolutely fantastic, and actually a much better game than the first (I can't see many people wanting to go back after playing Resort). And NSMB Wii will be another multiplayer classic, purely because it's absolutely focused on getting local play completely right.