The Playstation Move

[Kelthink]

A new Time Crisis? Ooh sexeh

Aye, the trailer is amazing too:

[df0]

That look effing brilliant!

[DC Lemon]

It says fall 2010 over there for Time Crisis, but what about autumn 2010 over here?

[Salsa Party Animal]

This article is very good, explaining how long ago Sony had a working version of Move. Some choice quotes:

A brilliant read and shows how Sony Japan held the leash back way too much. IN essence this next quote sums it all up

SonyLOL

If this is truth we wouldn't bother with wii from launch. if Sony had this and trophies from launch.

[Liquid Myth]

This article is very good, explaining how long ago Sony had a working version of Move. Some choice quotes:

A brilliant read and shows how Sony Japan held the leash back way too much. IN essence this next quote sums it all up

SonyLOL

Despite the numerous technical marvels that have been birthed in Britain over the years, the island is still the dirtiest little secret in video gaming.

[Robo_1]

I think Sony will give Marks and his team a lot more attention for future Playstation products. They've quite clearly been side lined for too many years, and it's cost them. I imagine Sony are already hip deep in R&D tech for the PS4 controller, and I wouldn't bet against them coming out with something that'll wow people.

[Major Britten]

Im actually pretty happy with the way things have turned out, Nintendo are successful again and have released some of their best games ever and Sony needed to be brought down a notch or two anyway, Sony's managed to make a bit of a comeback and has produced some amazing games and an amazing machine which at the moment is far better than the competition. I just hope that Move is a success.

Out of the 3 companies I think it has been Microsoft that has completely lost it, awful reliability issues, having to pay £40 a year for a service which is free on other systems, having features that are free on other systems (facebook, twitter ect.) and allowing them only for gold members, pricing on XBLA and refusing to let developers release stuff for free, making some awesome stuff on Live and then just dropping it (Primetime, Games Room) and then their biggest blunder yet with Kinect.

[dr zoidberg]

Sony's managed to make a bit of a comeback and has produced some amazing games and an amazing machine which at the moment is far better than the competition.

[Major Britten]

What? Sony's exclusives have been fantastic over the last couple of years and their in-house games are of a much higher quality than what Microsoft have been making themselves. Also Sony has been fully behind its PSN downloadable games with stuff like Wipeout HD, Super Stardust, Flower, The Last Guy, the Pixel Junk series ect. PS3 is also a much better media hub than the 360, plays pretty much any video format as well as having Blu-Ray built in. Dont get me wrong Sony well and truly fucked up in the first couple of years but now if I had to pick between a 360 and a PS3 I would go for the PS3 without question.

[Wistful]

This article is very good, explaining how long ago Sony had a working version of Move.

Maybe, but bear in mind Nintendo must have had their control system in development for a long long time before it launched. It's one thing to have demos at Stanford and another to get something in production. No doubt whatever Nintendo come up with next Sony will say they'd already tried out... then take four years to launch a copy.

Still, roll on the 17th, can't wait to try it all out.

[footle]

What? Sony's exclusives have been fantastic over the last couple of years and their in-house games are of a much higher quality than what Microsoft have been making themselves

Uncharted 2 I'll give you. Um, other than that?

. Also Sony has been fully behind its PSN downloadable games with stuff like Wipeout HD, Super Stardust, Flower, The Last Guy, the Pixel Junk series ect.

Heh. you're quoting the strength of PSN by referring to two games that came out near launch, The Last Guy (!)...

PSN isn't a patch on Live Arcade in strength, breadth or simply in having playable demos.

PS3 is also a much better media hub than the 360, plays pretty much any video format as well as having Blu-Ray built in.

But doesn't as of yet have streaming HD movie rentals. I'll give you this one though. AND its much quieter.

Not sure I'd wholeheartedly go with your recommendation though, if someone asked me what console to buy, I'd first ask what their mates have...

[b00dles]

More "power" I suppose.... something that we're only sort of now seeing any evidence of.

[Robo_1]

Getting back on topic though, I wonder how many games Sony will risk putting out which require 2 Move sticks. At present, I think it's only The Fight which actually requires two Move controllers, but it's clear from many of the tech demonstrations that a lot of potential is locked away behind the two sticks requirement (I'm thinking stuff like the chameleon demo).

I thought it was a curious decision to omit any motion tech from the nav controller. Given that Sony are putting the DS3 forward as a nav controller option, it seems strange that they wouldn't match the specs for both units, and include the internal gyroscope in the nav unit. Cost cutting I suppose, but still, I think it may limit them in the future.

[Stanley]

Im actually pretty happy with the way things have turned out, Nintendo are successful again and have released some of their best games ever and Sony needed to be brought down a notch or two anyway, Sony's managed to make a bit of a comeback and has produced some amazing games and an amazing machine which at the moment is far better than the competition. I just hope that Move is a success.

Out of the 3 companies I think it has been Microsoft that has completely lost it, awful reliability issues, having to pay £40 a year for a service which is free on other systems, having features that are free on other systems (facebook, twitter ect.) and allowing them only for gold members, pricing on XBLA and refusing to let developers release stuff for free, making some awesome stuff on Live and then just dropping it (Primetime, Games Room) and then their biggest blunder yet with Kinect.

All three machines have been out long enough now to make owning all of them pretty much essential for gamers wishing to savour the best across the board. I don't agree with you about Microsoft. Sure they've had their problems but the new 360 has now pretty much resolved most if not all of those issues, and their gaming catalogue is easily the best overall.

Basically if I had to choose just one it would still be the 360.

[Major Britten]

All three machines have been out long enough now to make owning all of them pretty much essential for gamers wishing to savour the best across the board. I don't agree with you about Microsoft. Sure they've had their problems but the new 360 has now pretty much resolved most if not all of those issues, and their gaming catalogue is easily the best overall.

Basically if I had to choose just one it would still be the 360.

Well not all of the issues have been solved, My new 360 was crashing all the time due to overheating which meant I had to remove it from the TV cabinet and place it on a table by itself.

Dont get me wrong I love all 3 consoles but in terms of an entertainment device I would say the PS3 is better, it plays blurays and all of my video files as well as all my music so that alone is a huge plus for me (plus theres 3D gaming IF you have the right setup, which might not mean much now but in say 2 years time it might be different). Also now that 3rd parties are getting to grips with the machine the differences between versions of multi-platform titles are pretty hard to spot. Its now pretty much down to exclusives and for me Sony have the upper hand. And now with Move they have even more great stuff coming, there are far more games Im excited about on Move than there are with Kinect.

[Major Britten]

Uncharted 2 I'll give you. Um, other than that?

Singstar, Ratchet and Clank series, Killzone 2, Motorstorm series, Demons Souls, Metal Gear 4, infamous, Little Big Planet, MAG off the top of my head. Plus you have the PS1 games as well with the Final Fantasy games, Resi evils, Silent hill, MGS ect. Theres lots of stuff.

Heh. you're quoting the strength of PSN by referring to two games that came out near launch, The Last Guy (!)...

PSN isn't a patch on Live Arcade in strength, breadth or simply in having playable demos.

I didnt say PSN was better then XBLA, I said that sonys support is much better for it than Microsoft. Name me some Microsoft made XBLA games other than the Rare ports that are actually any good? Sony has released many experimental games for PSN that would never have been released on XBLA, fLOw and Flower being the most obvious examples. Also Sony allow self publishing on PSN, something MS does not.

Not sure I'd wholeheartedly go with your recommendation though, if someone asked me what console to buy, I'd first ask what their mates have...

Well its all down to personal preference, if you had asked me 2 years ago I would have said the 360 without hesitation but now if I could only have one machine it would be the PS3.

[Liquid Myth]

All three machines have been out long enough now to make owning all of them pretty much essential for gamers wishing to savour the best across the board. I don't agree with you about Microsoft. Sure they've had their problems but the new 360 has now pretty much resolved most if not all of those issues, and their gaming catalogue is easily the best overall.

Basically if I had to choose just one it would still be the 360.

What does the 360 have now that the PS3 doesn't? Aside from a handful of decent Live titles, there's nary anything which substantially differenciates it enough any more. Multi-plat games are now pretty much identicle (aside from singlular mess-ups like Bayonetta and the homemade songs of RB2/3), whilst the PS3 still has titles that 360-only owners bitch and whine about not having and then saying how bad the PS3 is in the same breath.

And then there's the future, which is a little more stable in the PS3's Move (i.e. this topic), going against the Kinect which has been nothing short of a complete disaster.

[Kelthink]

It does have the homebrew game scene. I'd love that on the PS3.

[Stanley]

Well not all of the issues have been solved, My new 360 was crashing all the time due to overheating which meant I had to remove it from the TV cabinet and place it on a table by itself.

They're much quieter aren't they, and yeah perhaps you didn't have it installed in such a way for it to cool effectively. As far as I'm aware they're a lot more stable than they used to be.

Dont get me wrong I love all 3 consoles but in terms of an entertainment device I would say the PS3 is better, it plays blurays and all of my video files as well as all my music so that alone is a huge plus for me (plus theres 3D gaming IF you have the right setup, which might not mean much now but in say 2 years time it might be different). Also now that 3rd parties are getting to grips with the machine the differences between versions of multi-platform titles are pretty hard to spot. Its now pretty much down to exclusives and for me Sony have the upper hand. And now with Move they have even more great stuff coming, there are far more games Im excited about on Move than there are with Kinect.

Playing Blu-rays is a nice feature but one which cost Sony dearly and just isn't necessary. If you're viewing it first as a media player/hub then PS3 edges it, but not as a games machine.

[Stanley]

What does the 360 have now that the PS3 doesn't? Aside from a handful of decent Live titles, there's nary anything which substantially differenciates it enough any more. Multi-plat games are now pretty much identicle (aside from singlular mess-ups like Bayonetta and the homemade songs of RB2/3), whilst the PS3 still has titles that 360-only owners bitch and whine about not having and then saying how bad the PS3 is in the same breath.

And then there's the future, which is a little more stable in the PS3's Move (i.e. this topic), going against the Kinect which has been nothing short of a complete disaster.

I'll have to get out of here if it's turned into fanboy central. But, what does the 360 have that the PS3 doesn't? Mass Effect, Gears Of War, Halo, Forza... generally regarded as the best at what they do. I couldn't do without those games, but there's not much so far on the PS3 this year.

As I said to begin with all three machines are essential if you wish to get the most out of your gaming, as is a decent PC, ad DS and arguablly an iphone/ipod touch, but all I said was that if I absolutely had top choose one, I'd go for the 360 because it simply has the most to offer. I mean that in terms of the frequency of titles released, their exclusivity, and the general overall quality of multiformat releases and so on.

No one is saying the PS3 is bad - that argument is going on in your head, not here.

Kinect is shite but saying that out of the three manufacturers Microsoft has lost it this gen, is just silly talk.

[Liquid Myth]

I'll have to get out of here if it's turned into fanboy central. But, what does the 360 have that the PS3 doesn't? Mass Effect, Gears Of War, Halo, Forza... generally regarded as the best at what they do. I couldn't do without those games, but there's not much so far on the PS3 this year.

And the PS3 has Killzone, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, LBP, etc. Not a strong enough argument any more, as they're only as "must have" as its fans believe.

As I said to begin with all three machines are essential if you wish to get the most out of your gaming, as is a decent PC, ad DS and arguablly an iphone/ipod touch, but all I said was that if I absolutely had top choose one, I'd go for the 360 because it simply has the most to offer. I mean that in terms of the frequency of titles released, their exclusivity, and the general overall quality of multiformat releases and so on.

They're practically identical in terms of features now, with the PS3 having a free online service and the Xbox having a few more games. There's a large number of games on both platforms that are both (i)brilliant and (ii)identical enough for it not to matter.

No one is saying the PS3 is bad - that argument is going on in your head, not here.

Except the guy who posted the large image macro on the last page that started this asinine argument, Christ almighty.

Kinect is shite but saying that out of the three manufacturers Microsoft has lost it this gen, is just silly talk.

I was going to write a big thing about investors but I have to get up early.

[Fatsam]

if I absolutely had top choose one, I'd go for the 360 because it simply has the most to offer.

Yeah, the 360 might have more to offer you, but the PS3 absolutely has a greater number and variety of quality exclusives. And comparing the ever expanding list of Move games to the rather limited experiences being offered by Kinect, the gulf between the two consoles is set to become even greater.

[MK-1601]

All three machines have been out long enough now to make owning all of them pretty much essential for gamers wishing to savour the best across the board. I don't agree with you about Microsoft. Sure they've had their problems but the new 360 has now pretty much resolved most if not all of those issues, and their gaming catalogue is easily the best overall.

Basically if I had to choose just one it would still be the 360.

The thing is, someone buying a console that's been out a few years isn't going to be getting the same experience as an early adopter. Large chunks of the back catalogue from beyond a year ago will now be dated and/or superseded.

Then there is the issue of how much of a future the machine has. Both the 360 and PS3 have peaked technically, but Microsoft seem to be going out of their way to neuter any secondary roles the machine might have offered - ridiculous internal squabbles have put paid to the machine ever having a decent motion control solution or a BD-ROM drive, and pointlessly obstructive policies have torpedoed XBLA as a channel for small innovative developers. No iPlayer either.

At this point in time I'd recommend a cheap PC over either HD console, unless you desperately had to have a specific exclusive game.

[Stanley]

And the PS3 has Killzone, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, LBP, etc. Not a strong enough argument any more, as they're only as "must have" as its fans believe.

Where is Gran Turismo though, and do you honestly believe Killzone is in the same league as Halo? I enjoyed the game but that's bonkers. This year PS3 releases are extremely thin on the ground even by PS3 standards.

They're practically identical in terms of features now, with the PS3 having a free online service and the Xbox having a few more games. There's a large number of games on both platforms that are both (i)brilliant and (ii)identical enough for it not to matter.

Yeah I agree which is what I said in my opening argument. Perhaps you misunderstood me?

Except the guy who posted the large image macro on the last page that started this asinine argument, Christ almighty.

Yeah which was a response to the utterly retarded comment about Microsoft having completely failed this generation.

And MK-601 - find me PC which does all the stuff a £150 Xbox does.

[Massive Invisible Dog]

console warz

[Stanley]

Yeah, the 360 might have more to offer you, but the PS3 absolutely has a greater number and variety of quality exclusives.

it 'absolutely' does not.

Fanboys!

[Rudderless]

Well, this thread took a turn for the embarrassing. I think it's fair to say each of the three main home consoles has something different to offer, and each has its fair share of worthwhile exclusives.

Anyway, back to Move: don't get Kung Fu Rider. Controls like a really bad third-party Wii game. Nice concept, and the slapstick just about carries it through the first couple of (easy) stages, but the lack of precision in the controls becomes a real issue when the stages get busier. Shame, as it might have been worthwhile with a standard controller and as a PSN download (there's no way they should be charging £30-£40 for this).

[Robo_1]

console warz

Indeed, could we please leave all of this "my console's better than yours" stuff to rest now, and get back to discussing Move.

Cue Rudderless.

Anyway, back to Move: don't get Kung Fu Rider. Controls like a really bad third-party Wii game. Nice concept, and the slapstick just about carries it through the first couple of (easy) stages, but the lack of precision in the controls becomes a real issue when the stages get busier. Shame, as it might have been worthwhile with a standard controller and as a PSN download (there's no way they should be charging £30-£40 for this).

Yeah, I think the concept looks fun but it's got £7.99 PSN game written all over it. Glad to hear some first hand comments about it though, I shall leave it until it hits the sub £10 mark.

[mackemansj1]

Well, this thread took a turn for the embarrassing. I think it's fair to say each of the three main home consoles has something different to offer, and each has its fair share of worthwhile exclusives.

Anyway, back to Move: don't get Kung Fu Rider. Controls like a really bad third-party Wii game. Nice concept, and the slapstick just about carries it through the first couple of (easy) stages, but the lack of precision in the controls becomes a real issue when the stages get busier. Shame, as it might have been worthwhile with a standard controller and as a PSN download (there's no way they should be charging £30-£40 for this).

Yeah read that about it, its £24.99 like all move first party titles but i still wont buy it.

[Stanley]

Have they announced a pack which includes the motion controller, navigation controller and camera yet? If they did that for £50 I'd be well in there.