GoldenEye - out now on Switch & Xbox

[Hitcher]

1 hour ago, Popo said:

The online multiplayer is just the emulator tricking the game into thinking everyone is playing locally, the game doesn’t actually know or care.

So it doesn't even have proper netcode for online play?

[Hanzo the Razor]

Oh yes indeed, boy! Let me at it!!! 

 

LET ME AT IT!!!

[LaveDisco]

4 minutes ago, Fry Crayola said:

I like that it's free for Rare Replay owners. I mean, I'd have bought it anyway if it wasn't on Game Pass, but now there's several layers explaining why I don't have to pay for it.

 

Yeah that respect for RARE Replay is so nice to see. I'm really happy they did that, as it has always belonged in that collection. Thinking of it, after Atari 50, I want to potter around that collection again.

 

You can criticise MS for many things, but their commitment to keeping their back catalogue accessible is second to none. A game I bought for like a tenner 7 years ago, just getting this, now, for nothing? Ace.

 

[joffocakes]

2 hours ago, Fargo said:

Has it been confirmed that Goldeneye will have twin stick controls ?

 

The N64 version did so I expect so.

[robotattack]

Well this is somewhat embarrassing

 

 

[Calashnikov]

That’s a travesty 😞 

[MikeBeaver]

6 minutes ago, Calashnikov said:

That’s a travesty 😞 

That's Nintendo

[Loik V credern]

Just seen Graeme Norgate tweeted this last month, encouraging obsessive ocd sensitive Goldeneye fans to go through every single track to pointlessly determine which of the two composers you prefer. Otherwise why tweet it, because the urge to do so is so strong I'm not sure i can resist. If i can condense all that into a tweet to tell him how much of a bastard he is i'm gonna do it.

 

[Kryptonian]

Are half the instruments missing or is it just that industrial gong kinda sound?

[Nick R]

35 minutes ago, Loik V credern said:

Just seen Graeme Norgate tweeted this last month, encouraging obsessive ocd sensitive Goldeneye fans to go through every single track to pointlessly determine which of the two composers you prefer. Otherwise why tweet it,

 

To make sure there's an accurate music credits list readily available online, so that people know who did what music without them having to do the sort of detective work that fans devoted to Sonic 3's soundtrack?

[robotattack]

51 minutes ago, Calashnikov said:

That’s a travesty 😞 

 

I'd be cancelling my pre-order if I had one.

 

13 minutes ago, Kryptonian said:

Are half the instruments missing or is it just that industrial gong kinda sound?

 

It's an exaggeration, it's the industrial gong kinda sound that's missing, although it does appear to be lacking reverb too. 

[Kryptonian]

29 minutes ago, robotattack said:

It's an exaggeration, it's the industrial gong kinda sound that's missing, although it does appear to be lacking reverb too. 

 

Thanks, sometimes I can't recognise these kind of things and am learning it's best just to ask. Obviously I listened to both versions a bunch of times first before coming to this realisation 😩

[Loik V credern]

Reading about Goldeneye i went looking for a video with it having blood after the info they took it out on Nintendo's say. The most bizarre 'Nintendo thinks your game is too violent for kids' story for me is Rare changing the characters in Jet Force Gemini before the game's release, making them teenagers instead of 10 year olds. They just became taller and that was it.

 

 

The blood is too bright really and pointless. Like paint splatters, it looks crap. It doesn't matter, the blood through the clothes is more realistic and still satisfying. But watching that run through again reminded me of all the things i loved about the game, reminded me of how at the time something comes along that is unlike anything you've played before that it stands alone, you become sort of obsessed by it. Before Goldeneye for me was just Quake, Zero Tolerance, that's about it. Exhumed. Virtua Cop 2. There are things a game taps into that then is never tapped into again, Goldeneye was the first and last game honestly for me that impressed real danger of being shot, your health is precious, every hit you take matters, and you're always outnumbered. and it's the variation in enemy responses, look at that first encounter at 37 seconds, the second guard runs in circles before running towards you. You can aim quite easily but it's something that makes that impression when you first play it, especially with you in awe at what you think are the most realistic graphics you've ever seen. Because of the sound effects too bullets sting you, the way the orange sparks flash past you, they just nail the vulnerability of being shot at. The sound of Bond breathing, the health appearing, all this was not only completely new to me it was revelatory, a developer totally nailing something no other game previously had.

 

The absolute best example of Rare varying the guards response animations to throw you off (besides one kneeling) is at 1:14 when he opens the door and the far left guard does that bloody marching walk, just pause it as he opens the door, they're already aiming at him. It's a game where when you get good you can dance around the guards and make fun of their slow responses but you still have one guard aiming accurately that gets you. The way they walk towards you there still feels threathening to me after all these years, like you have to back out of it and sneak out again.

 

No other game did shooting as well, the enemies are tall, the thumps as the bullets connect is so satisfying. Even by Perfect Dark they lost this focus of the simplicity of corridors of tall human enemies doing all their individual animations waiting to be cleared. 1:46 is pure Goldeneye. Shoot a guy, see the bullet put a hole in the wall, turn around, pick up ammo, reload, go around the corner, two men stood on the same line, one 20 yards before the other, shoot the one behind but miss and catch the hat of the one in front, get his leg and luckily his body too so he's gone, the one behind is firing so close to you, you're exposed, another guard comes running in from the left then another by the guy at the back so you've got this now even more satisfying chunk of green bodies to fire into, knowing wherever you hit, leg, arm, they'll react. Then! Two more appear from the left, and bloody kneel, you clear the ones at the back but one of the left guards hits you, you retreat, reload, go back out and they haven't stopped. They don't stop just because you hide, they're still finishing their shooting animations, and it's just the joy of different enemies at different stages of their animations positioned in different spots, and then you calculating which order to take them in and where to place yourself. It's always different, and it always matters.

 

Anyway, that player in the video takes out the guys in the corridor then has to turn around and go back because he's vulnerable from behind too, before returning to the epic shoot out corridor where another guard appears, this time from the right who's no bother. And all you can see are all these bullet holes, smoke, a hat and dropped guns and it's as fun as first person shooting ever got for me. Wait, it doesn't even end. You turn to your left and go to open up the door and are being shot at again, sparks flying everywhere, guards coming at you from directly behind. Strafe back and spin around.

 

My thinking is that because the game was inspired by Virtua Cop and was going to be on rails and because the team was inexperienced they focussed on what really mattered. Stuff like Medal Of Honour and Call Of Duty was about the adventure, the set pieces. The approximation of realism in early 3D meant Rare made the enemies tall distinctly blocky things to shoot, in Call of Duty's soldiers are small, there's no variation in death animations, there's obviously no corridors of guards endlessly appearing from different directions, shooting is just an afterthought, you're not meant to enjoy it.

 

Halo always got the '15 seconds of fun' tag but really Goldeneye had it too. Shooting aliens with colourful guns as their shields flicker is not as satisfying as ploughing bullets into human bodies.

[Loik V credern]

38 minutes ago, Nick R said:

To make sure there's an accurate music credits list readily available online, so that people know who did what music without them having to do the sort of detective work that fans devoted to Sonic 3's soundtrack?

 

 i mean, i'm not being serious

[Popo]

10 hours ago, joffocakes said:

 

The N64 version did so I expect so.

Yes, and the 4 people lucky and rich enough to have bought 2 NSO N64 controllers will enjoy that, I’m very sure. 😉

 

Thinking about it, the default controls for Goldeneye - you just can’t go back to them anymore. Nobody’s brain is wired to play a console fps with move forward & back/ turn left & right on the same stick in 2023. 
 

The dual stick controls on Xbox will be fine, but nobody will be playing that online. Am I finally going to have to learn the Turok control scheme after all these years?

[Paulando]

I came to GoldenEye a few years after release, and used a control method which was move and strafe on the d-pad, and look on the stick (which you used with your right hand). You had to contort your thumb to press the face buttons every once in a while, but I just couldn’t get the hang of the default scheme.

[MikeBeaver]

1 hour ago, Paulando said:

I came to GoldenEye a few years after release, and used a control method which was move and strafe on the d-pad, and look on the stick (which you used with your right hand). You had to contort your thumb to press the face buttons every once in a while, but I just couldn’t get the hang of the default scheme.

Nt quite 1.2 Solitaire.... You were almost shown the right way

That was the same, but movement was on the Yellow buttons, looking around using the stick with your left.

[PikaStu]

So this doesn’t have improved textures like the 360 beta? Shame…

 

[Popo]

1 minute ago, PikaStu said:

So this doesn’t have improved textures like the 360 beta? Shame…

 

 

The Xbox version has higher resolution textures and frame rate, but is apparently not the unreleased 360 Arcade port. 

[PikaStu]

13 minutes ago, Popo said:

 

The Xbox version has higher resolution textures and frame rate, but is apparently not the unreleased 360 Arcade port. 

Not the best photo, but it gives you an idea of the difference in presentation. 
It may not be to everyone’s taste, but I like what they did with the 360 version.

[Paulando]

1 hour ago, MikeBeaver said:

Nt quite 1.2 Solitaire.... You were almost shown the right way

That was the same, but movement was on the Yellow buttons, looking around using the stick with your left.

Solitare does ring a bell, yeah.

 

Theres no way I could aim with my left and move with my right though!

[Popo]

I know old man Nintendo won’t release this until tomorrow afternoon, but any chance Uncle Phil will let it slip out at midnight tonight?

[Fry Crayola]

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2023/01/25/goldeneye-007-xbox-game-pass-release-date/

 

"The rollout begins late January 26 in some territories" suggests that it'll be released worldwide at the same time, with time zones meaning some people get it before their local midnight.

 

So.... maybe, but probably not. It might come out at like 6am, UK time.

[Fargo]

Can it be purchased separately from Rare replay I wonder ? 

[Fry Crayola]

I expect so, though Rare Replay is reduced to £5 extremely often. 

[Hanzo the Razor]

4 hours ago, Paulando said:

Solitare does ring a bell, yeah.

 

[ryodi]

1 hour ago, Fargo said:

Can it be purchased separately from Rare replay I wonder ? 

No. It’s only available as part of the digital version of Rare Replay or via Gamepass. You cannot buy it separately. 

[Gorf]

What’s the cheapest way for me to get this on switch tomorrow?

 

Ive not been online with my switch in about 3 years

[Hitcher]

22 minutes ago, Gorf said:

What’s the cheapest way for me to get this on switch tomorrow?

https://switch.homebrew.guide/

[Crhis]

51 minutes ago, Gorf said:

What’s the cheapest way for me to get this on switch tomorrow?

 

Ive not been online with my switch in about 3 years

 

Get a spot on a NSO + Expansion family pass split on eBay.