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Yeah, World Beyond is utter cookie cutter banality. Right from the off it bends itself in loops by trying to explain that the stupidity of the kids is actually due to the stupidity of the teachers of this (successful) community. This is a world in which zombies are a perpetual threat, so how are the young prepared to face this menace? Oh, they’re given a spoken presentation, with a few diagrams, on how to kill a walker and that you’re probably best off running away. Just...fucking what? The worst possible way to get those kids to take a threat seriously is by making it theoretical. They should be exposed to restrained walkers; hold the thing back with an animal catch pole, so that it’s still reaching and flailing but stands no risk of biting, and have them show they can kill it. That a community, which lasted through the worst times of this world post outbreak, could be so hilariously shortsighted as to raise a load of complacent idiots that neither take such a fundamental threat seriously, nor know how to handle it in reality, is so insulting to the viewer’s intelligence. 
 

I mean, it has other problems, but that doozy killed the show stone dead for me in the second episode. It’s like the writers have acknowledged that they’ve become reliant on characters acting like imbeciles to create peril, but rather than trying harder to avoid such a trope they’ve actively looked for ways to explain it in universe. 

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1 hour ago, Bucky said:

My wife and I couldn't make it through the first episode of world beyond.  It was just dreadful.

 

It was terrible but like the first episode of Fear the Walking dead it offered a hint of something that wasn't the same formula. In both cases they threw it out the window within an episode or two and back to the open world shit that hasn't been interesting since the first series of the main series.

 

I'm amazed that a show as popular as the original hasn't been able to find a good angle for other shows.

 

My pitch would be basically avoid the zombies for the most part. We've done that and unless you skip 10-20 years and basically clean most of them up and show a rebuilding world (as I wondered if this new one might do) then what is the point? The original series is and has been in decline for many series. If you do the same thing you won't keep or increase your audience.

 

So I'd do an ensemble series set during the start of the outbreak.

 

Each series:

  • is short (6 or so episodes).
  • set in the same probably big city (think San Fran, LA or NY)
  • covers the same period from just before the outbreak to the local area collapsing and the people fleeing
  • features a different perspective and cast

So maybe the series go something like this:

 

  • 1 - "Normal" family so we get very little perspective other than what they see on TV or from social media
  • 2 - Firefighting crew. See a wider picture of the unfolding incidents.
  • 3 - A governing politician (mayor/governor). See reports from different units and strategy planning
  • 4 - Army/national guard. How they try to deal with it before failing.

You can have some crossover between each series but no focus outside the core idea of that series. Think The Wire where each series looks at how the the drugs trade impacts different things (low level dealers, distribution, kids and schools, political impacts etc).

 

Wow, typed much more than I expected. I hate watched from about series 7 onwards and basically quit after 9 before catching up recently. I like the ideas but it's so badly executed.

 

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Or...

 

The Walking Dead: Miami - zombie surfers

The Dead have invaded the West Wing - The president bites people, but he's a republican so that's ok.

The Walking Dead: Celebrity Edition - Big Brother, but with zombies

The Groaning Singer - Can you guess who is under the mask?

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  • 2 weeks later...
  • 4 months later...

I dipped back in to see how/if things had changed since the comedic disaster that was season 8, and while this is nowhere near as bad as that it still feels awfully bland. 
 

Having a new group attack literally days after they dispatched the whisperers felt like a parody. Yes, the explanation that Maggie brought that shit back with her is somewhat believable, but only if she really pissed off that group as it sounds like they’ve gone especially out of their way.

 

Despite early attempts in TWD to show they weren’t bound by the comics, I think it’s been mostly a flourish here and there. Which is a shame, because scope existed to tell a taut, plausible story a few seasons long, rather than trailing after the galumphing narrative of the comics. Of course, I highly doubt AMD would’ve stuck to such a move when TWD became their biggest money maker. 

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Noticed that Fear the Walking Dead is on Prime and so I've picked that up where I left off in season 4.

 

I also briefly considered suggesting a rewatch of TWD with the wife, who hasn't seen it, but then I started to remember some of the past episodes and plotlines and realised what a stupid idea that was.

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I re-watched series 1 and a little of 2 of Fear last week. I enjoyed it a lot.

 

I probably won't watch any more as once they make land I think it loses it's differentiator. It's more of what we know in the main series. Constant stumbling from one failed group to the next. All attempts to settle are eventually threatened by some new group of bad people. And the longer it goes on the more I wonder what the point is. It seems to me that after 10 years there would either be nothing left of some kind of new normal. That those surviving groups would actually start systematically clearing the dead to rebuild instead of constantly walling up and waiting to die when a walker wanders very slowly up behind someone paying no attention,

 

The onset of the event seems much more interesting a setting to me than the post event one. It has the opportunity to tell slightly different tales. A set of mini series set in different places and from the perspective of different people doing different jobs would definitely have me watching. I guess the problem is likely the comparative budget.

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On 01/03/2021 at 23:40, Indy @ S.E. said:

Anyone else watch the new episode earlier this evening, they’ve got a small run of 6 episodes before the final series hits later in the year.

 

Or am I on a lone crusade to see this through till the bitter end?

 

I watched it... and last night's episode. The second one was particularly poor... Doral and Carol mooching around an old cabin. I'll keep watching though as I've invested too much time to stop now. 

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1 hour ago, RK1D said:

 

I watched it... and last night's episode. The second one was particularly poor... Doral and Carol mooching around an old cabin. I'll keep watching though as I've invested too much time to stop now. 

 

I've not watched any of the new episodes yet will wait until they are all out and then watch via Now TV with a month sub. Same as you I have invested too much time to quit, will see it to the end.

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2 hours ago, RK1D said:

 

I watched it... and last night's episode. The second one was particularly poor... Doral and Carol mooching around an old cabin. I'll keep watching though as I've invested too much time to stop now. 

 

I've got it saved for tonight, was watching the Harry & Meghan interview.

 

When they both said they felt trapped by the establishment I immediately thought of my relationship with this, I can relate with (ex) Royalty.

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5 hours ago, RK1D said:

 

I watched it... and last night's episode. The second one was particularly poor... Doral and Carol mooching around an old cabin. I'll keep watching though as I've invested too much time to stop now. 


The second episode was exceptionally boring. I’m not sure what the point of it was.

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3 hours ago, RK1D said:

Anyone watch the latest episode? Gabriel and whatshisname stuck in a warehouse. A whole hour dedicated to the two most boring characters in the show. Ah well, will tune in next week for more. 

 

I watched Starship Troopers the other night. When i realised one of them was big faced Gabriel I nearly turned it off in disgust.

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For anyone who wants to see a better told 'what do we do next after surviving the outbreak', I highly recommend reading World War Z the book, which has almost nothing in common with the film. It has a lot of features people have been asking for in the Walking Dead as it went on.

 

In World War Z you get told the story (from outbreak to post-zombie rebuilding) from loads of different sources, from diaries to news reports to documentation. But what makes World War Z so good is not just the unique storytelling method but that Max Brooks actually put thought into how things could actually happen in real life, and crucially how humans would adapt after the initial chaos, rise out of the apocalypse and turn the tables. And this is told from the perspective of people from all different walks of life, from classic Walking Dead style survivors, to administrators, from soliders to doctors to leaders. Even though the outbreak and survival stuff we are all sick of are quite good, its the other aspects that are the real hook, like how people made settlements, ran colonies, plans to retake zombie territory, the day to day reality of living in a zombie infested world (where the people don't make stupid decisions like in Walking Dead).

 

Walking Dead, comic and TV show should have wrapped up by about series 5. They just reuse the same conflicts and group archetypes and as people have pointed out, time seems to have frozen, groups and people just act dumb to raise suspense and drive the plot forward. The premise of Walking Dead is 'what would it be like to follow someone's every day life in a zombie apocalypse', yet the characters don't seem to learn anything or make meaningful decisions to really better their lives. In reality although of course you would get evil gangs and leaders, the frequency and insanity of them in Walking Dead just gets both ridiculous and boring.

 

Both The Last of Us games have much more plausible and immersive post zombie apocalypse world building. There as you would expect, humanity has congregated into large and relitavely safe communities, there are still gangs and bad people out there, and conflict between groups, but people actually work together and take control of big areas. It feels way more realistic.

 

The Walking Dead did initially have that carrot on a stick of finding a cure, but after that there wasn't enough direction other than survive and find a safe place, or take revenge/survive the latest nutjob gang they've encountered. The best zombie stories usually have discreet goals that the characters are working towards but the Walking Dead loses that focus a lot of the time. What they should have done was end the Walking Dead much much sooner with the characters finally settling down somewhere safe, or whatever, and then use the spin off series' for seperate tales in the universe with different goals, different timelines and radically different locations instead of just repeating the formula. I don't understand why they think that because Walking Dead has dropped to sad viewership levels compared to its peak, that all they need to do is repackage the same formula under a new name and people will suddenly want it again. People stopped watching it because it got too samey, too predictable, too silly and far too stagnant. Look at all the other post apocalytpic works out there and the variety they have. Even a bunch of other zombie media does a better job of mixing things up than what the Walking Dead became. In the end I think they stuck too closely to the graphic novels and should have either ended things or taken more risks, when their viewership started dropping like stones why didn't they try new things? Oh well, at least the first few seasons are good!

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10 hours ago, RK1D said:

When he stabbed that boar I was half expecting Gabriel to say "could not you find anything bigger?" 

 

How long has he been in this now? Since about Season 4? And what has he actually done? Name me one good Gabriel moment. He's also been wearing the same clothes for about six years. He must smell like Father Jack's underpants hamper.

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10 minutes ago, Hanzo the Razor said:

 

How long has he been in this now? Since about Season 4? And what has he actually done? Name me one good Gabriel moment. He's also been wearing the same clothes for about six years. He must smell like Father Jack's underpants hamper.

 

He's done nothing, other than somehow getting himself involved with Rosita... which in itself is unbelievable as there is zero chemistry between them.

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I don’t want to say it too loud but I’m quite liking these more intimate character episodes than the ones with about 60 million characters running about doing their own thing as well as the latest group exercise.

 

But only when they use established characters, not like that godawful episode where one of the women (Tara?) goes to the all girls camp. That one nearly did me in.

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On 20/03/2021 at 00:14, Indy @ S.E. said:

But only when they use established characters, not like that godawful episode where one of the women (Tara?) goes to the all girls camp. That one nearly did me in.

 

That was bloody awful. Her entire character is one of the worst in TV history. She's a terrible actor too.

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I know covid has completely obliterated the old ways this show used to work when filming and i respect that. you cant do vast hordes of walkers, even in the most recent episode the shot of Daryl looking down the train tracks forced the perspective to make it look like they were close together.

 

However this current season is not what i'm looking for in my escapist post apocalyptic zombie overrun fantasy tv. Four mental health and wellbeing themed episodes in a row is getting a bit much. 

 

The thing is, they have done a brilliant storyline with Morgan about his breakdown and rebuild and him coming to terms with his world.

 

I'm just hoping that this season is treated like filler and when a bit more normality comes back to the world the series gets back on track.

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