Edge #209

[Vemsie]

Actually I think it's just the fact that Eurogamer gave it a 9 that's bothering me. If they'd given it a ten too then I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Eurogamer didn't get all carried away with LBP either. I guess it bothers me that a different UK publication seems to have a less excitable attitude to giving out tens than Edge, you wouldn't have been able to say that not too long ago. Yes, that's it. Mind you eurogamer aren't perfect either and have probably given out loads of tens.

Probably more than Edge when push comes to shove, yes. They gave UC2 a ten for instance.

[ras el hanout]

But again, I am not criticizing Bayonetta, it's clearly a fantastic game, I'm criticizing Edge. And perhaps if edge hadn't tenned GTA4, Halo 3 and LBP I too would be woah, I gotta get bayonetta!! Or at least bother to read the review!!!

[scottcr]

It's a genre that is regarded as 'low-key'. You would get the same reactions here would say, FarmVille get a 10. It's not in the traditional shooter/big-adventure/sim genres so nobody accepts it. Simple as. If the next DS Zelda gets one, nobody will bat an eyelid, even though it could be a carbon-copy of its former guise. It's ' normal' for that genre, and especially that brand.

it's pretty niche - and very much a 'hardcore' gamers game. I doubt it'll see big sales over here, but you never know. I fancy giving it a try - I love God of War... but I'm not a fan of DMC nor Ninja Gaiden... they're too hardcore for me.

Having read the review - there's actually quite some negativity in it... however, the game is the best in its class. I can't help feel that it may have been marked that way because they know it's not going to sell well....

[Cyhwuhx]

But again, I am not criticizing Bayonetta, it's clearly a fantastic game, I'm criticizing Edge. And perhaps if edge hadn't tenned GTA4, Halo 3 and LBP I too would be woah, I gotta get bayonetta!! Or at least bother to read the review!!!

But that's madness. Time goes on, so does the perspective on games. Potemkin is a great movie, and you need to know about it, but would it still uphold that score? Within its generation I think those tens are all valid. Taken from 0 AD till the present, well then I can think of better tens. I'm all for retro stuff, but clamping onto 'old values' like this is asking for trouble.

Which is fine if you keep that in the back of your head, but you're just having troubles with Edge itself more than anything, colouring your opinion of their ratings alongside it and creating a black score-hole in the past.

[Vemsie]

it's pretty niche - and very much a 'hardcore' gamers game. I doubt it'll see big sales over here, but you never know. I fancy giving it a try - I love God of War... but I'm not a fan of DMC nor Ninja Gaiden... they're too hardcore for me.

Having read the review - there's actually quite some negativity in it... however, the game is the best in its class. I can't help feel that it may have been marked that way because they know it's not going to sell well....

Like DMC, which sold millions you mean?

DMC IV (the fact that there are four games should tell you something) alone sold over 2 million. I don't think Bayonetta will sell that much, but I doubt it'll flop.

And that last sentence is bollocks of course. By that reasoning they would have given Mad World a higher score as well, surely?

[scottcr]

I think DMC had an image more palatable to the core western demographic tastes... let's face it... Bayonetta is batshit mental. It's a gamers game... and there aren't really that many 'gamer gamers' around. I may be wrong though. I don't see it flopping - but I don't see it doing gangbusters either.

I think what I meant by that last sentance is that, as I read the review - it read like a '9'. Compare it some previous amazing '9' games. It's not a game without flaws. It can try too hard to be 'funny' with the retro jokes and the cut-scenes are too long. (Bear in mind - I haven't played it, just going from the review). It read like a '9' but - due to it's niche nature and Edge perhaps want to demonstrate it's 'gamers gamer' attitude.. might've nudged it to a 10 - given that a 10 no longer means 'revolutionary'.

anyway - I'd love to try the demo to see what I think of it.

[RubberJohnny]

I think what I meant by that last sentance is that, as I read the review - it read like a '9'. Compare it some previous amazing '9' games. It's not a game without flaws. It can try too hard to be 'funny' with the retro jokes and the cut-scenes are too long. (Bear in mind - I haven't played it, just going from the review). It read like a '9' but - due to it's niche nature and Edge perhaps want to demonstrate it's 'gamers gamer' attitude.. might've nudged it to a 10 - given that a 10 no longer means 'revolutionary'.

Bullshit. Those are nitpicks at best and they described them as such in the review. The only remotely negative section comes after several hundred words of breathless gushing praise, and is grudging in tone, as if they acknowledge that they can't fill the whole review with praise.

I've really no idea why you and Ramone are on some weird internet crusade, is this still annoyance at the Wii Sports Resort review?

[Smitty]

It read like a '9' but - due to it's niche nature and Edge perhaps want to demonstrate it's 'gamers gamer' attitude.. might've nudged it to a 10

Or it's at the absolute pinnacle of its genre, as stated in the interview.

''Yeah let's give it a ten because it's well HARDCORE and hardly anyone will buy it!''

[Dimahoo]

I've pre-ordered it. It looks amazing. I'm not really into Hardcore fighting games much (DMC looked okay but i didn't really like hardcore elements if i'm honest) - but it just looks fantastic. Its nice to have a hardcore game thats fresh to look at thats not by Capcom.

[Broker]

But again, I am not criticizing Bayonetta, it's clearly a fantastic game, I'm criticizing Edge. And perhaps if edge hadn't tenned GTA4, Halo 3 and LBP I too would be woah, I gotta get bayonetta!! Or at least bother to read the review!!!

This is kind of true, I think I'd be a lot more hyped about Bayonetta off the back of that if it wasn't for those three games getting tens.

[Guest]

eurogamer gave fear 2 a 5 i think, kinda crazy

Derivitive nonsense, mind. Corridor, baddy, shooty!

[Uzi]

Ramone was playing a very well done role, but scottcr

[Guest]

You can talk about Hardcore all you want - when a game is a real gamer's game and it's brilliant, then why not say it's brilliant!

Too much we see this dumbing down of games, or made for cazzies, or whatever.

Embrace the gamey games, as they may end up few and far between!

Here we go now, kick, punch block...

[Dimahoo]

....its all in the grind....

[scottcr]

Ramone was playing a very well done role, but scottcr

I just had this burning desire to join in this months Edge thread...

[scottcr]

Bullshit. Those are nitpicks at best and they described them as such in the review. The only remotely negative section comes after several hundred words of breathless gushing praise, and is grudging in tone, as if they acknowledge that they can't fill the whole review with praise.

I've really no idea why you and Ramone are on some weird internet crusade, is this still annoyance at the Wii Sports Resort review?

oh man.. don't start me.

[ras el hanout]

I find that Edge seems more and more to be written by the sort of people who are PC gamers, you know? It's lost the human touch it used to have

[Dimahoo]

Well I disagree. A game shouldn't have broad appeal to score highly.

Else we'd have lots of shitty Pokemon games, singing games, barbie games, Wii stuff. And most of that is tripe.

We have the same woes in the games industry as we do in the music and movie industries and whilst the content is different the way they all appeal is the same.

Massmarket BS.

Incidently about 6 years ago i wrote a published letter to Edge as to why they were reviewing a BS Barbie bemani game in their so-called "esteemed" publication.

I thought it was terrible, but loads of people on the Edge forum were like "i was gonna buy that for my kids actually - it looks good".

Which was kinda my point.

[ras el hanout]

Well I disagree. A game shouldn't have broad appeal to score highly.

Else we'd have lots of shitty Pokemon games, singing games, barbie games, Wii stuff. And most of that is tripe.

Dimahoo can type, but he can't read, a strange combination!!

[angel]

Derivitive nonsense, mind. Corridor, baddy, shooty!

done really well though, the slo mo doesnt get old..

[Guest]

done really well though, the slo mo doesnt get old..

Like the first one? With a paper thing story and endless corridors, pretty simple AI?

See, something like MW comes along and elevates that, they don't just churn out more of the same.

[angel]

i see ya point but its far from a 5 i think, its a quality game. a little derivative yep but oh so slick. i think i prefer the single player to MW, awesome as that is

the story makes sod all sense though i cant argue with that

[Dimahoo]

Dimahoo can type, but he can't read, a strange combination!!

But you suggestion a game that doesn't appeal to the masses shouldn't score a ten arn't you?

Oh hang on....i thought you were serious again!

[ras el hanout]

But you suggestion a game that doesn't appeal to the masses shouldn't score a ten arn't you?

Oh hang on....i thought you were serious again!

To the masses? No, I never suggested that. Is somebody reading this out for you? How are you pressing the "add reply" button? Do you have a helper?

I said a ten game should have broad appeal among hardcore gamers. Otherwise every game is probably a ten to somebody. Hey, you'd probably give Look At These Pretty Pictures for the DS a 10.

[LyonJacques]

I've actually read that novel that Poole hangs his column on! I'm sure he read it in french between bouts at a mensur tournament, but still

[wretcherd]

I find that Edge seems more and more to be written by the sort of people who are PC gamers, you know? It's lost the human touch it used to have

PC gamers are robots?

[Grobbelboy]

Actually I think it's just the fact that Eurogamer gave it a 9 that's bothering me. If they'd given it a ten too then I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Eurogamer didn't get all carried away with LBP either. I guess it bothers me that a different UK publication seems to have a less excitable attitude to giving out tens than Edge, you wouldn't have been able to say that not too long ago. Yes, that's it.

Eurogamer gave Halo an 8.

[Guest]

Oh dear.

Edge review of Dragons Age rails against the nudity/sex/poor story/whatever...

And yet looking into a soldiers eyes as you kill him in MW2 is "exquisite".

Yep. Killing someone, seeing the light fade, that's wonderful. Wonderful stuff. Oh dear some sex, lol thats bad.

[Stolly]

Oh dear.

Edge review of Dragons Age rails against the nudity/sex/poor story/whatever...

And yet looking into a soldiers eyes as you kill him in MW2 is "exquisite".

Yep. Killing someone, seeing the light fade, that's wonderful. Wonderful stuff. Oh dear some sex, lol thats bad.

Yeah I finally got my copy of edge today and it almost feels like the guy who reviewed dragon age had just come off a massive 36 hour session of MW2 before hand. The bulk of Edge's complaints are about the scripting and the banality of it all; bollocks the reviewer was just spazzed out is all.

[Guest]

Yeah I finally got my copy of edge today and it almost feels like the guy who reviewed dragon age had just come off a massive 36 hour session of MW2 before hand. The bulk of Edge's complaints are about the scripting and the banality of it all; bollocks the reviewer was just spazzed out is all.

I'd like to know about the game, you know.