Dante Inferno at Shopto

[stefcha]

Or indeed 'box has a bit of sellotape on the lid'.

Personally I'm incensed when a game comes with a sticker on it saying how highly rated it is. If only they'd tell me beforehand!

[MalevolentPanda]

Sealed doesn't mean 'wrapped in polythene' though, does it? I want new games to be sealed but I can do without extra pointless plastic waste. I've had unsealed, clearly used, games from online retailers before and it is rubbish.

[stefcha]

What about that bit of sticky that you get underneath the polythene tear off stuff? Does that come on every game?

edit: that thing just folded over where you'd open the box.

[Sprite Machine]

What about that bit of sticky that you get underneath the polythene tear off stuff? Does that come on every game?

edit: that thing just folded over where you'd open the box.

That's an Xbox-only thing, I think.

[stefcha]

Of course, it's got MS labeling on it hasn't it, should've thought! Does it come on every 360 game, then? Can't recall off the top of my head if mine have or not. Which format was this Dante's Inferno on anyway?

[Mortis]

Wow I'm so impressed they should close all other online outlets and just have shopto because your so happy with them. New Poll!

Just to counterbalance your obviously irrational need for waste product and the fact you feel it's a reason not to shop with them. Here's an idea - in future pay over the odds at HMV, Blockbuster or any of the stores in the high street so you can open some shrink wrap while the rest of us save a few quid.

[MalevolentPanda]

What about that bit of sticky that you get underneath the polythene tear off stuff? Does that come on every game?

edit: that thing just folded over where you'd open the box.

The seal, if you will.

[sweet_angel]

Unsealed doesn't mean used, though. It just means it's unsealed, which could mean that A.) someone has unsealed it, but not necessarily used it, B.) that it came unsealed in the first place, or C.) that it's been used and being falsely sold as new.

But even getting a sealed game doesn't mean it hasn't been used, as it could always be resealed. Unless it's an actual manufacturers' seal.

They should probably mention that it is unsealed, since some people care about that. It's not something that bothers me, but I can understand your frustration.

Not much else to say, is there? Make the suggestion to ShopTo that they mention whether a game is sealed or not, and then shop somewhere else. *shrug*

I agree but you don't know which that is why some products have a sticker saying "Do not accept if seal is broken". Would a game be used when an employee takes it home plays for it for the weekend and brings it back to the shop (e.g. game) and sells it on as new. Is that fair?

I am making the suggestion and will shop elsewhere.

[sweet_angel]

Just to counterbalance your obviously irrational need for waste product and the fact you feel it's a reason not to shop with them. Here's an idea - in future pay over the odds at HMV, Blockbuster or any of the stores in the high street so you can open some shrink wrap while the rest of us save a few quid.

That isn't very good advice really is it? I can pay competitive prices on other online stores such as Amazon and get the product sealed. To be frank I couldn't care less how much you pay for a game!

Of course, it's got MS labeling on it hasn't it, should've thought! Does it come on every 360 game, then? Can't recall off the top of my head if mine have or not. Which format was this Dante's Inferno on anyway?

It was on PS3 mentioned that the new copy I bought had the PS3 wrapping (tear of slip).

[Mortis]

That isn't very good advice really is it? I can pay competitive prices on other online stores such as Amazon and get the product sealed. To be frank I couldn't care less how much you pay for a game!

Much like I couldn't care less what your opinion of Dante's Inferno being not in a sealed package is - despite being given an explanation from the store.

[sweet_angel]

Yeah, I can imagine the call:

shop "Can you tell me if the game you might be shipping us in three months time comes wrapped or not?"

distributor "... Eh? How should I know? Why does it matter?"

My, we do like to exaggerate, the information can be added when the distributors passes it on.

Why does it matter? because some of our customers would like to know the condition they are receiving the item (as reflected in current poll). I thought you would of understood this by now!

[sweet_angel]

No. Used means somebody has had the game, played it and returned it. These are new games that are not sealed in plastic. Can you not see the difference?

How do you know that if it is not sealed? There is no way of confirming that, why do you think that put them there in the first place? Dah

[sweet_angel]

Personally I'm incensed when a game comes with a sticker on it saying how highly rated it is. If only they'd tell me beforehand!

Start a thread, this one deals with game plastic seals only!

[sweet_angel]

Much like I couldn't care less what your opinion of Dante's Inferno being not in a sealed package is - despite being given an explanation from the store.

Do you believe everything your told? It's really in the stores interest to say we are sending out returned software. Please, give it some thought at least!

[FuzzyDunlop]

I agree but you don't know which that is why some products have a sticker saying "Do not accept if seal is broken".

Because those are perishable goods that can either expire quicker after opening orbe tampered with in dangerous ways.

You're not going to buy a bottle of whisky with a broken seal because anything could have happened to it. Likewise you wouldn't buy a bottle of orange juice with a broken seal because it then has a much shorter shelf life.

Not sealing a game, on the other hand, has no such risks attached.

[sprite]

My, we do like to exaggerate, the information can be added when the distributors passes it on.

Why does it matter? because some of our customers would like to know the condition they are receiving the item (as reflected in current poll). I thought you would of understood this by now!

As someone who has worked in retail, his original comment was probably closer to the truth than yours, I'm afraid. "Speaking to distributors" gets you to the sales monkeys who, for the most part, don't have a clue what they're actually selling, let alone what condition they're in. I highly doubt the people in the call centre areas will see the actual items being shipped out, and like with most things it's almost impossible to actually speak to someone in a warehouse. Distributors selling to trade isn't much different from trade selling to consumer - in most cases you won't be dealing direct with the publisher.

Do you believe everything your told? It's really in the stores interest to say we are sending out returned software. Please, give it some thought at least!

You have absolutely no proof that what you received was a return; you won't even entertain the idea that it was sent to them like that, despite lots of people here having experiences of "the other side of the counter" where exactly that has happened.

[sweet_angel]

Because those are perishable goods that can either expire quicker after opening orbe tampered with in dangerous ways.

You're not going to buy a bottle of whisky with a broken seal because anything could have happened to it. Likewise you wouldn't buy a bottle of orange juice with a broken seal because it then has a much shorter shelf life.

Not sealing a game, on the other hand, has no such risks attached.

Electronic products are sealed too, Do they perish?

Post it notes come sealed!

Shall we make a list!

[FuzzyDunlop]

Post it notes don't have big warnings saying, "if seal broken, do not use" plastered all over them.

Of course, your original point wasn't that non-food items were sealed. It was that items had warnings saying not to use if the seal was broken.

[sprite]

I just realised my Nintendo DSi XL that I happily brought home wasn't sealed. Those bastards, I can't believe they sold me a returned product, so soon after release date too! It's obviously what happened!

[sweet_angel]

As someone who has worked in retail, his original comment was probably closer to the truth than yours, I'm afraid. "Speaking to distributors" gets you to the sales monkeys who, for the most part, don't have a clue what they're actually selling, let alone what condition they're in. I highly doubt the people in the call centre areas will see the actual items being shipped out, and like with most things it's almost impossible to actually speak to someone in a warehouse. Distributors selling to trade isn't much different from trade selling to consumer - in most cases you won't be dealing direct with the publisher.

Someone who has worked in retail, we are every bit of an expert. We have publishers and distributors you can speak to distributors I also worked in retail but I am no expert and have done so, it was a long time ago so things have probably changed! These are all console games thus I suppose must conform to some standard set by sony for the packaging so I doubt they sell them without the sony seal without a reason behind it. I could be wrong however and EA has decided to be different and once the game leaves the factory they hire people to open them.

[stefcha]

My, we do like to exaggerate, the information can be added when the distributors passes it on.

Why does it matter? because some of our customers would like to know the condition they are receiving the item (as reflected in current poll). I thought you would of understood this by now!

I'm hardly exaggerating, I don't see any reason why the conversation wouldn't play out that way. As for changing adding and updating the information, it's a fair amount of extra work you're asking for if you think about it, with the volume of games coming out you're expecting places to check, double check and possibly re-check even after that just for one tiny piece of information. I doubt it's just as simple as saying "check when you ring up". What happens in cases where there's uncertainty? Are sellers expected to then err on the side of caution just in case? That's hardly fair, explicitly tagging a game as "possibly unsealed" is negative advertising in that it might put off browsers who otherwise wouldn't care, and it may end up being sealed anyway.

[FuzzyDunlop]

Or, you know, they just cut the shrink wrapping part of the production process out of the operation because it's a total fucking waste of money.

[sweet_angel]

I just realised my Nintendo DSi XL that I happily brought home wasn't sealed. Those bastards, I can't believe they sold me a returned product, so soon after release date too! It's obviously what happened!

If they sold it without the box I suppose you wouldn't accept it. If the standard for the DSi XL was to come in a plastic seal and both types to select from the store I wonder which one you really go for. Let not be hypocritical now don't boast of a behaviour that in reality you would not follow. 99% of people picking up something from a shelf, if there were two left and one was sealed would go for the sealed variety.

[sprite]

Someone who has worked in retail, we are every bit of an expert. We have publishers and distributors you can speak to distributors I also worked in retail but I am no expert and have done so, it was a long time ago so things have probably changed! These are all console games thus I suppose must conform to some standard set by sony for the packaging so I doubt they sell them without the sony seal without a reason behind it. I could be wrong however and EA has decided to be different and once the game leaves the factory they hire people to open them.

I've read the first bit of that a few times and I still can't get it to make sense. I was merely stating my experience on the subject, never said I was an expert - however I have worked in an environment involving speaking with distributors, who sell games I might add, and I still work there part time on occasion, dating back 8 years now. So no, maybe not an expert, as my experience is only limited to one shop and the distributors we deal with, but I would hope that it's fair to say there might be some validity behind my words that could perhaps be transferred to other examples, especially considering the reports from others here?

One of these days everything will stop being wrapped in plastic. First we had supermarkets stopping offering plastic bags so readily, next it'll be shrinkwrap. Then you'll really be in a pickle.

If they sold it without the box I suppose you wouldn't accept it. If the standard for the DSi XL was to come in a plastic seal and both types to select from the store I wonder which one you really go for. Let not be hypocritical now don't boast of a behaviour that in reality you would not follow. 99% of people picking up something from a shelf, if there were two left and one was sealed would go for the sealed variety.

I actually have no idea if it's supposed to come in a sealed box or not. I actually don't care, because the item I received was obviously new and the presentation etc demonstrated its newness, and I was happy with the quality. You still haven't said if the game you ordered was scratched or anything, if the manual was showing obvious signs of wear and tear? Or did it, in fact, seem new?

I'm not really being hypocritical, I was just being facetious. You have no reason to suspect I'm a hypocrite who questions your insistence on shrink-wrapped games and then gets wound up about it myself, do you, other than my blatant over the top sarcasm which either went over your head or you chose to treat as my actual opinion.

[sweet_angel]

I'm hardly exaggerating, I don't see any reason why the conversation wouldn't play out that way. As for changing adding and updating the information, it's a fair amount of extra work you're asking for if you think about it, with the volume of games coming out you're expecting places to check, double check and possibly re-check even after that just for one tiny piece of information. I doubt it's just as simple as saying "check when you ring up". What happens in cases where there's uncertainty? Are sellers expected to then err on the side of caution just in case? That's hardly fair, explicitly tagging a game as "possibly unsealed" is negative advertising in that it might put off browsers who otherwise wouldn't care, and it may end up being sealed anyway.

Don't game release date change and that information is updated and no one is asking for a possible unsealed statement.

[stefcha]

If they sold it without the box I suppose you wouldn't accept it. If the standard for the DSi XL was to come in a plastic seal and both types to select from the store I wonder which one you really go for. Let not be hypocritical now don't boast of a behaviour that in reality you would not follow. 99% of people picking up something from a shelf, if there were two left and one was sealed would go for the sealed variety.

What you're now on about is something else entirely, you were referring specifically to online purchases where you don't get to see one item next to the other in such a manner and as such you can't compare the behaviours in a fair way.

[sweet_angel]

I've read the first bit of that a few times and I still can't get it to make sense. I was merely stating my experience on the subject, never said I was an expert - however I have worked in an environment involving speaking with distributors, who sell games I might add, and I still work there part time on occasion, dating back 8 years now. So no, maybe not an expert, as my experience is only limited to one shop and the distributors we deal with, but I would hope that it's fair to say there might be some validity behind my words that could perhaps be transferred to other examples, especially considering the reports from others here?

One of these days everything will stop being wrapped in plastic. First we had supermarkets stopping offering plastic bags so readily, next it'll be shrinkwrap. Then you'll really be in a pickle.

Not really because by that day physical media won't exist. I think you did understand so I won't comment any further.

[sweet_angel]

What you're now on about is something else entirely, you were referring specifically to online purchases where you don't get to see one item next to the other in such a manner and as such you can't compare the behaviours in a fair way.

I'm just answering to comment that people are posting if they mention kettles as examples then I think I can also mention other examples.

[sprite]

Not really because by that day physical media won't exist. I think you did understand so I won't comment any further.

What you wrote didn't make sense It does seem I hit upon your intended meaning, however.

[Mortis]

Not really because by that day physical media won't exist. I think you did understand so I won't comment any further.

OK now I know you're just trolling - physical media will always exist in the games medium - there's a fair chance though that packaging will be reduced.