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I remember playing Sega Bass Fishing with mates whilst drunk some ten years ago. It was so funny that the lager came out of my nose.

"Enjwoy your fwishing"

"Chooooose your bait"

"Select a casting point"

*waggle*

"Bite it..."

"Fish!!" *Terrible guitar music*

"LOWER THE ROD!"

"LOWER THE ROD!"

"LOWER THE ROD!"

"Be careful!"

"Nooooooo"

"Small one..."

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Bizarrely my wife, sister in law and myself were playing SC2 on the Dreamcast last night - its one of our favourite games and we have very fond memories of playing it in Japanese, wondering what the hell they were singing. Our favourite line was always when Jaguar says something like "Cweam ON A STICK!"

So I got hold of that DC/ PS2 audio hybrid rip of the game...and it's a bit weird playing it in English, threw me back to the first game but somehow didn't seem as cool as playing it in Japanese and having no idea about what was happening.

Still looks great and still loads of fun, especially rescuing people and the music and dance moves changing. In fact, we saw Ulala doing a dance move last night that we'd never seen before.

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Yay super awesome news and about time too. I LOOOVE SC5. I remember I was in Japan when it came out and I was like, what the hell is going on? I was in love with Ulala from the moment I saw her. Unfortunately I'm not very good at it so I would mainly watch friends play it.

Then SC5 2 came out and my friends I had turned on to the wonders of Space Channel 5, really struggled with the second game. It was the PAL PS2 version.. but apparently that's because the US/Euro version is way harder than the Japanese one. Found this blog post:

http://games.greggman.com/game/my__345_quest_for_a_space_channel_5_part_2/

"It’s no secret that I *LOVE* the Space Channel 5 series of games. I understand that they are simple rhythm games but the combination of style, musical dance numbers, music, characters, just everything about them made it one of my more cherished video game experiences. I loved the first one so much I made my computer desktop a Space Channel 5 theme and I made 2 Space Channel 5 clocks and sent one to the lead artist. I heard she had it on her desk for a few years.

The sequel came out in early 2002 and it was just as good. It might have only taken me 2 or 3 tries to clear it but it didn’t matter. Like a good movie I just totally enjoyed that time.

So, about 8 months ago my nephew asked about Space Channel 5 part 2. He had played part 1 because I had given him my Dreamcast to when I moved to Japan in 2000, but he had never played part 2. “Never played part 2!!! Come over!!” So, one day he was over at my place. I had a Japanese PS2 I had traded for a PSX when I left Japan since you can’t use a PSX in the states as they only have a Japanese tuner.

We popped in the disc and …. grind grind … the PS2 would not play the game. I thought maybe the PS2 was broken so I got out another Japanese game but it played fine. That suggested it was the disc. Ugh, getting a copy of a Japanese game from 2002 from America is not going to be easy. So I thought, I know, I’ll get the American version. Hopefully the localization will not have ruined it with bad voices and writing.

So, I order it from Amazon. $10 gets me the “Space Channel 5 Special Edition” which contains both the original and part 2. I only have an American PS3 so I pop in part 2 and start playing. It feels a little harder than I remember but I make it through the first 2 levels. Then I get to the 3rd level and I can’t finish it for the life of me. In fact I can’t even make it half way through. It could be that I suddenly suck at playing but I cleared the first one the 2nd or 3rd time I played. My skills couldn’t have gotten that bad could they?

I start think maybe the issue is that I’m using a PS3. My older PS3 does some emulation for PS2 games and maybe that emulation is adding some lag. That is common for emulators. Try playing a Gameboy rhythm game on an emulator. It’s impossible.

So, I’m like, WTF, I’ll buy an American PS2. I order one from Amazon for $120. A few days later it arrives and I’m all excited to check it out. I come home, setup the PS2, pop in American Space Channel 5 part 2. Work my way to level 3. FUDGE!!!! It’s still impossible to pass. My nephew is over and he tries. He’s one of those gaming gods who plays Guitar Hero or Rockband on expert and he can’t pass level 3 either.

Now I’m really curious. Could it be that this is a slim line PS2 and something has changed since the old full sized PS2s? Maybe they changed construction of the controllers? Well, I’m going to Japan in February so I’ll go to the used game stores and try to find a copy of the Japanese version. When I’m in Japan I go looking and about the 4th store I find a BRAND NEW COPY for $25. I buy it all excited.

A couple of weeks later I get back to America, take a cab home, set my suitcase down and the first thing I do is unwrap the disc and pop it in to my Japanese PS2 and ….. grind grind. The exact same sounds as before. I’m so angry I go grab my hammer and SMASH the PS2!! Of course in my fit of rage I didn’t take the new Space Channel 5 disc out and so that has been shattered as well. Ugh!!!

After I recover I look online to see if I can get a new Japanese PS2. Play-Asia sells them but there’s no point in buying one unless I can get another Space Channel 5 part 2 disc.

Sooo, I ask a friend in Japan to not go out of his way but if he happens to wander by a used game store from time to time to please keep an eye open for Space Channel 5 part 2.

A couple of months go by and he tells me he found one! Yay! It’s used but it looks like it’s in good shape. By that time I luck out, my company is sending me to Japan to give a talk in just a few weeks. So, in June I get to Japan, my friend gives me the Japanese Space Channel 5 part 2 and I’m praying it works. I go to buy a new Japanese PS2. They are $150. Sheesh! I thought they’d be down to $99 or less by now. Well, I’ve come this far. I buy it and take it to a friend’s. I plug it into his TV and …. I play all the way to level 5 without dying once. The Japanese version IS way easier than the American version.

Here’s what I suspect happened. In Japan it’s illegal to rent video games but not in America. Given that the game is so short the American publisher was worried they wouldn’t sell any copies because people would just rent it, finish in a few plays and then return it. So, they instructed Sega to make it nearly impossible to clear hoping that would make it take longer and prevent rentals. Instead it just made the game impossible and absolutely no fun.

Honestly, I guess they were in a lose lose situation. Leave the game fun but short and no sales. Make the game frustrating and no sales. Maybe today with downloadable games they wouldn’t have to make that decision. Games like Flower, Flow, etc can have a market when they can both be sold at a reasonable price and can not be rented or resold.

So there you have it.

Original copy in 2002: $40

American version: $10

American PS2: $120

Japanese version: $25

Japanese PS2: $150

Used Japanese version: free (my friend gifted it to me)

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Total $345 ... chaCHing!

Yes, and I still love this game. And even more apropos, Micheal Jackson is in it!"

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The Japanese version IS way easier than the American version.

Here’s what I suspect happened. In Japan it’s illegal to rent video games but not in America. Given that the game is so short the American publisher was worried they wouldn’t sell any copies because people would just rent it, finish in a few plays and then return it. So, they instructed Sega to make it nearly impossible to clear hoping that would make it take longer and prevent rentals. Instead it just made the game impossible and absolutely no fun.

Honestly, I guess they were in a lose lose situation. Leave the game fun but short and no sales. Make the game frustrating and no sales. Maybe today with downloadable games they wouldn’t have to make that decision. Games like Flower, Flow, etc can have a market when they can both be sold at a reasonable price and can not be rented or resold.

Nah, I don't think that's the reason, it's more likely the usual Western version must be made more difficult mentality that Capcom famously have, compare getting the bonus suits on P.N.03 JPN release versus the Western versions, they must think the average Western player of their games is a closet masochist :)

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I think you mean 'disliked', else it implies every other man in the universe has actually played it.

Do you ever stop? Fucking hell.

Anyway I'm also in the disliking camp I'm afraid, just so Nap doesn't feel lonely. I didn't know about the varying difficulty between the versions (that may explain things) but I found it very frustrating and the DC's horrible D-pad didn't help matters. Very stylish though, I can see why people like the sound and visuals.

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Nah, I don't think that's the reason, it's more likely the usual Western version must be made more difficult mentality that Capcom famously have, compare getting the bonus suits on P.N.03 JPN release versus the Western versions, they must think the average Western player of their games is a closet masochist :)

Interesting. And I didn't know about the difference between the Japanese and Western version of P.N. 03. Had a quick go on the Japanese version when it came out and been meaning to get it ever since.

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Pacman Championship Edition is severely hampered by it. I hates it!

Actually I just had a little play with it and I can see what you mean although I can't see it causing the trouble it would with Pac Man as that needs a lot quicker movements Hopefully it won't cause too many problems.

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I've got 2 or 3 of these. Isn't one quite rare?

I forget which one. The PAL version of SC2 isn't it?

I don't think the PAL version of 2 is that rare. It was only published in some of Europe (France, Germany, Scandinavia as far as I remember). I see it from time to time. The rarest is the Sega Direct Limited Dreamcast version of 2. With the headphones. I'd love SC 2 for my DC.

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All this excitement and hype can't hide the fact that I'll be trying to play this game using the worst d-pad known to man.

I got one of the Mad Catz Street Fighter pads for shmup'ing. It's pretty decent. You should be able to find one cheap. Or go for the HORI 360 pad. Can't remember the name, but it supposedly has a very fine d-pad. Renchi has them. And eBay of course.

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I got one of the Mad Catz Street Fighter pads for shmup'ing. It's pretty decent. You should be able to find one cheap. Or go for the HORI 360 pad. Can't remember the name, but it supposedly has a very fine d-pad. Renchi has them. And eBay of course.

Cheers for the tips - I have considered getting a much better controller for the 360, it was a pain to try and get the harder achievements in Pacman Championship Edition and knowing it was the d-pad letting me down rather than my own skill.

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Oh, this is grand. I will finally get what the plot is in part 2 as I have only ever played the Japanese DC version.

Oh, and anyone that thinks part one is better than part 2 is proper mental. Part 2, even in Japanese, is simply one of the greatest videogames ever made. The waltz again the giant plant is just sublime.

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I don't think the PAL version of 2 is that rare. It was only published in some of Europe (France, Germany, Scandinavia as far as I remember). I see it from time to time. The rarest is the Sega Direct Limited Dreamcast version of 2. With the headphones. I'd love SC 2 for my DC.

I thought it was Australia only? It is pretty rare though. Don't see that many on eBay these days and I've yet to one 'in the wild'.

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I don't think the PAL version of 2 is that rare. It was only published in some of Europe (France, Germany, Scandinavia as far as I remember). I see it from time to time. The rarest is the Sega Direct Limited Dreamcast version of 2. With the headphones. I'd love SC 2 for my DC.

Correct :) I have the limited edition. I did think about selling it on eBay, but changed my mind.

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