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On 06/07/2022 at 12:45, Pelekophoros said:

And that's what Cameron is good at: spectacle. It's why Titanic was fucking huge - widespread repeat viewing were commonplace - and even the VHS release was bonkers. I recall it also going straight to retail (and being one of the first) - there was a massive frenzy around it.

 

12 years later he does it again with Avatar, this time with 3D.

 

A core pillar of both Titanic and Avatar is the central love story between the 2 main characters. If it was just spectacle, it'd be a Michael Bay film ;)

 

The fanboy disdain for James Cameron never ceases to amaze. Avatar was a transcendent cinema experience and if JC can pull it off again, I might finally take the risk of breathing in a bunch of strangers air for several hours to recapture that unique experience.

 

 

 

On 07/07/2022 at 23:59, Ry said:

 

I have a feeling her and Cameron don't get along...

 

She's one of his ex-wives, along with Linda Hamilton. Strange Days is effectively a lost James Cameron film as he wrote the script but got her to direct it, years after they divorced.

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Is there fanboy disdain for Cameron? Terminator fanboys? What fanboys? It's more disappointment. 

 

I assume since Cameron and Bigelow were divorced long ago they're probably on good terms by now. They both seem pretty sound people (apart from Cameron pretending to like Terminator sequels). Forbes thinks 'Cameron and Bigelow remain close', and he said this recently 

 

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Cameron was up for the Best Director accolade for 'Avatar', which also lost out to his ex's movie in the Best Picture category that year - but the 67-year-old filmmaker insists he is "very happy" about how things went.

 

He said: "I would submit after the fact that she probably enjoyed the evening about 10 per cent more than I did. Ha ha.

"But for me to begrudge not only someone that I’ve loved and believed in winning the best director, but also the first woman... fuck, man. Stand back. Let her have her night.

 

"We talked about it endlessly before and after. They wanted us to be co-presenters, but we looked at one another and said, 'We’re not going to play that game.'

 

"If I was sitting here now, however many years later, looking at an Oscar that could have been hers, I would be feeling like shit. I was very happy at how it worked out."

 

The problem with the love stories in Titanic and Avatar is they're not believable. And they're boring. 

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9 hours ago, mushashi said:

 

A core pillar of both Titanic and Avatar is the central love story between the 2 main characters. If it was just spectacle, it'd be a Michael Bay film ;)

 

Yeah I'm aware of that, which was why my post was about more than spectacle. I specifically said he "leans hard" into spectacle and in no way said "he's shit at these other things". But I guess this is the internet, and if you don't explicitly say a thing then that is the thing that defines the response.

 

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The fanboy disdain for James Cameron never ceases to amaze.

 

I have no idea what this means in relation to my post. In what way have I demonstrated "fanboy disdain"?

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It's a crying shame that Alita is not getting a sequel. I thought Rodriguez did a good job but it will be sad to not continue what was hinted at in the movie.

 

Everyone i know disses the Avatar movie but i guarantee Avatar 2 will do the business later this year. Avatar is probably one of my least liked Cameron movies but i also associate it with watching it in 3d where it really shines and well, you can't really do that anymore.

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What has Cameron done in his massive off-season aside from diving to shipwrecks? It's so weird that someone who was so creative and hardworking in the 80s and 90s just... vanished. Even though later Cameron is nowhere near as good as previous Cameron, there are still awesome bits in Avatar and Titanic. The level of craft was still clearly there, even if the new eco-conscious version had lost a lot of his edge and was nowhere near as compelling a prospect as badass Cameron. But what was he doing for so long in the 2010s? Sitting on his pile of money? Digging an ET-sized hole to bafflingly bury the negatives of True Lies?

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I have a lot of time for Cameron. He's made at least two of the best movies ever made. He also said that his abiding memory of winning the Oscar for Titanic was that he wanted to stove Harvey Weinstein's head in with it. Which I would have paid good money to watch.

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This is why i am so intrigued for Avatar 2 and 3. For the 10 years he has spent making them, they have got to be amazing right? None of this rushed script business that sequels usually get. 

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2 minutes ago, DarhkFox said:

This is why i am so intrigued for Avatar 2 and 3. For the 10 years he has spent making them, they have got to be amazing right? None of this rushed script business that sequels usually get. 

 

Imagine if, ten years later it's:

 

"Oh wow. Flying my space dragon is so rad and ecologically friendly"

 

"Look! Blue tree elves! Let's kill them with guns!"

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  • 2 months later...

I caught a 3D IMAX showing of the Avatar re-release this afternoon. I haven’t seen it since the original cinema release. The CGI has held up really well I think, and the use of 3D still hasn’t been bettered.  For an almost 3 hour movie it fair flies along, with some fantastic set pieces (the flying mount sequence and climactic battle being particular highlights).  But for all the visual spectacle it’s the character of Neytiri that holds the film together for me, she’s an absolute badass and it’s hard to take your eyes off her whenever she’s on screen. 
 

They showed a 2-3 min scene from the Way of Water during the end credits (nothing exciting in terms of story, just a group of young Na’vi messing about underwater) but it looked stupendous, proper next gen type visual leap.  Can’t wait to see it. 

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Does anyone know where in London is the best place to see the new remaster, in terms of image tech?

I ideally want the full monty of HFR and HDR and 3D if possible.  

HFR is the priority (I know I know... though I hear good things about it, like it's in VRR - some scenes in HFR others not), followed by 3D, then HDR.

It's not that easy to find out who is showing the film, with what tech.  So far it looks like Odeon West End may be the ticket.

(BFI IMAX isn't showing this in HFR, presumably as they're on a film-based projector right now.)

Thanks very much.

 

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56 minutes ago, Triple A said:

Does anyone know where in London is the best place to see the new remaster, in terms of image tech?

 

This person seems to know their stuff and has seen it:

 

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Last note, venue - Odeon West End the perfect venue for this and THE WAY OF WATER. The way Cameron shoots for expanded AR is different from how people using IMAX cameras shoot. Bigger venues like Leicester Square *might* be too overwhelming. Was worried but fantastic cinema.


 

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I didn't know that this re-release had certain scenes upgraded to 48fps HFR! Apparently it's primarily been applied to scenes with fast panning. Which makes sense, because in the second Hobbit film (my only previous experience of HFR) I only found the high frame rate distracting in the still, conversational scenes.

 

Unfortunately my local cinema's website listings for this re-release don't mention HFR. That doesn't bode well for them showing the sequel in that format. (I don't know whether their projectors are even capable of showing that format, since they don't have any screens with the premium brands like IMAX or Dolby.)

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I believe James Cameron is doing the hybrid FR approach because it allows you to keep the filmic 24fps look that people have become accustomed to over the last century, but you get the motion clarity in fast moving scenes which also helps with the stereoscopic. I first saw this idea implemented years ago by a Polish production company for stereoscopic as a techdemo.

 

The company behind the technology is going to push it into TVs too, though currently it's only announced for TCL. Titanic is also getting the treatment.

 

 
 

 

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I note with interest that the re-release has prompted increased interrogation of how weird sections of the internet are about this film. No, of course Avatar doesn’t have the ‘cultural impact’ of something like Star Wars you cretins, it’s one film that people enjoyed compared to a near-50 year media empire.

 

Related to that, I realised the other day that Avatar is comfortably better than all but three of the eleven (!) Star Wars films. Could make a case for it being better than Return of the Jedi as well but wouldn’t go that far myself. 

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19 hours ago, Flanders said:

Related to that, I realised the other day that Avatar is comfortably better than all but three of the eleven (!) Star Wars films. Could make a case for it being better than Return of the Jedi as well but wouldn’t go that far myself. 

 

Hmm. I'd take Phantom Menace's pod race and final fight over anything in Avatar, plus it's not an overlong chore, I'd take Rogue One over it, plus it's not an overlong chore, I'd even take Solo over it mainly because..it's not an overlong chore. The cinematography and practical effects and largely invisible use of cgi in the Star Wars 2015 onwards is the most impressive thing about them I think. 

 

There's been a revised outlook on Attack of the Clones and Revenge of The Sith in terms of them being pure visions of someone with terrible taste, the romance stuff is not much better than The Room. They're awful, but particular in their awfulness and that's maybe better than Cameron's nullifying bland broadness achingly presented in the most obvious and general way possible. 

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Just back from seeing avatar hfr 3D at the imax . Forgotten how good the film was . It’s pretty amazing that everything still feels cutting edge . Noticed lots of little things I hadn’t before ( like the video displays that people converse through are them selves 3D , so you have like 3d Within 3D). Marvellous stuff . Looking forward to 2 now .

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