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Backglass question. 

 

The monitor I am using is a 1080p 24" and it stretches the backglass to a 16:9 aspect ration like so...

 

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Which as you can see means the DMD doesn't fit the DMD area (happens on all tables). In the B2S setuip what should I use to get the right aspect ration? This is what I currently have.

 

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5 hours ago, bradigor said:

Backglass question. 

 

The monitor I am using is a 1080p 24" and it stretches the backglass to a 16:9 aspect ration like so...

 

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Which as you can see means the DMD doesn't fit the DMD area (happens on all tables). In the B2S setuip what should I use to get the right aspect ration? This is what I currently have.

 

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You need to download Freezy 1.9 and then you'll be able stretch. and move the dmd to wherever you want: https://github.com/freezy/dmd-extensions/releases

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I've got Freezy, it was the backglass being stretched that was the issue. Sort of did a workaround by forcing a custom aspect ration on the backglass. 

 

Won't even delve into the problems I am having with PupPacks. On Evil Dead 2 the DMD (with the score) gets lost behind everything at points. Annoying. 

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15 hours ago, bradigor said:

 On Evil Dead 2 the DMD (with the score) gets lost behind everything at points. Annoying. 

I’ve seen this mentioned in a few YouTube videos about dmd, there’s a setting to force it to be on top.

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1 hour ago, Cheeko said:

I’ve seen this mentioned in a few YouTube videos about dmd, there’s a setting to force it to be on top.

 

Yeah, it's in the ini file, but the issue is that the PupPacks seem to have hierarchy over the DMD. It is a case of faffing for a bit.

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Is there a way to setup a generic backglass that shows when the tables doesn't have a directb2s? Say I wanted to design something in photoshop and use it across all tables unless there is a directbs2?

 

A workaround is to create something and set as my desktop wallpaper, but that feels like I would be losing out.

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2 hours ago, bradigor said:

Is there a way to setup a generic backglass that shows when the tables doesn't have a directb2s? Say I wanted to design something in photoshop and use it across all tables unless there is a directbs2?

 

A workaround is to create something and set as my desktop wallpaper, but that feels like I would be losing out.

Not really.  The backglass file has to match the table name exactly.  So the only way to do it I believe is to have multiple versions of it saved as different names.

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3 hours ago, Omizzay said:

Not really.  The backglass file has to match the table name exactly.  So the only way to do it I believe is to have multiple versions of it saved as different names.

 

Makes sense. I just set my desktop background with a quick and dirty custom design so the DMD doesn't look weird.

 

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Sounds like you're really enjoying this pinball stuff Bradigor :)  The UK pinball scene is exceedingly friendly and easy to get into if you (or anyone of course) want to dip a toe in!  Perhaps the best gateway to the community and meeting some people is via the UK Pinball League.

 

A pinball league might sound a bit serious and intimidating, but it's absolutely the opposite. It's mainly a social event, usually at someone's house, but there are a few that are at public venues. Most league meets have about 15 to 30 or so people turn up. The format is usually an hour or so of 'practice' time - just play the games, say hello to people. Then 'the competition' - you play each game once and record your score. You can play alone, or in a group. Once the comp is over then it's back to just socialising and playing games for a bit before people drift off (usually 5-6pm or so). There's usually a few snacks put out, and you're expected to pay £5 as a contribution.

 

The new league season is just about getting up and going again now that Covid is easing off a bit. I run the site at pinballleague.uk, and I don't have many concrete dates on the site yet, but if you're interested then just drop an email to the region/s that sound closest to you to get an idea of where the meets are and when (or drop me a PM if that's easier - happy to help).


Also worth a mention that UK Pinfest recently started ticket sales. This is an event we run in Daventry every summer* and usually has about 100 or so machines. I'll be running the comps there, and these comps are a bit more serious if you want to test your skills against some of the best in the UK/Europe. The comps are only a small part of the show though (and of course entirely optional!), and the rest of the weekend is just playing games and socialising.

 

Last couple of events at Pinfest we have had a virtual pinball machine there if you wanted to have a look at one. There are a couple of guys within the UK community that put a lot of effort into making really good virtual machines. If nothing else you'd be able to compare it to the real things and maybe get ideas for a self build.

 

Anyhow - if anyone wants to get into *real* pinball then I'm very very happy to help. I got into that scene about 10 years ago now and have made a considerable number of good friends, and always happy to meet more :)   
 

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That all sounds amazing. Will definitely look into it and would love to try to get to a meet. Maybe all round to @Omizzay;)

 

I am going to do a feature on MHG where I go to Astro City in Southend, play one of their tables for the first time (maybe 5 games) to set an average score. Come home, practice on VPX for a week and go back to see how much I improve on the real table with another five game average.

 

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22 hours ago, bradigor said:

That all sounds amazing. Will definitely look into it and would love to try to get to a meet. Maybe all round to @Omizzay;)

 

 

I live in Dubai...but you're more than welcome anytime if you're in the area :)

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27 minutes ago, Omizzay said:

I live in Dubai...but you're more than welcome anytime if you're in the area :)

 

Highly unlikely, but I'll hold you to that  :) 

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Generally, how long after a real table is released do the Virtual ones get made in the community?

 

Looking at Led Zepplin for example. The real table came out in Feb 2021*, but can only find some original tables for Virtual. Not a complaint obviously, just more curious.

 

 

*https://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?yr=2021&sortby=name&searchtype=advanced#6761

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8 minutes ago, bradigor said:

Generally, how long after a real table is released do the Virtual ones get made in the community?

 

Looking at Led Zepplin for example. The real table came out in Feb 2021*, but can only find some original tables for Virtual. Not a complaint obviously, just more curious.

 

 

*https://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?yr=2021&sortby=name&searchtype=advanced#6761

There's usually an understanding from the community to give a 3 year gap before releasing recreations.  But most of the newer tables are quite an undertaking, not like the DMD tables.  Batman 66 for example was built from the ground up by quite a big team.  Same with Guardians of the Galaxy and the upcoming Black Knight Sword of Rage.

 

Also, it's mainly Stern that seem to be fine with the visual pinball scene.  Jersey Jack who produce some amazing games have publicly stated that they are against the practice so no one attempts to recreate theirs.

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Also as a follow up question. As I have always loved pinball, but just played what I found, never realising the evolution...

 

@OmizzayYou put table types as SS, DMD, Original in this post.
 

On 06/02/2022 at 13:58, Omizzay said:

I'm a bigger fan of the DMD Bally Williams Sega era of pinball personally.  But we can do a few options per week (maybe one Solid State, one or two DMDs and one original table)?

 

My suggestions for this week's tables would be:

 

Bad Cats (SS) - https://vpuniverse.com/forums/files/file/6529-bad-cats-williams-1989-vpw-mod/

Theatre of Magic (DMD) - https://www.vpforums.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=14817

The Getaway (DMD) - https://www.vpforums.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=13130

Harry Potter (Original) - https://mega.nz/file/XM0UGRIJ#ryzH-w2E321ww3SqJFTF_VMZbr-ESmGdOxC-rsXwTIs

 

Maybe try them all out first and see what you think and let's vote.  I'd be happy with any of the above.

 

I know SS is Solid State, but when you list as DMD, what is that? Still SS? I also knoe EM is Electro-Mechanical and is generally pre-80's stuff on the whole. 

 

Are all modern tables* SS? I know the Scottywic one is a SS Original, but just tryiong to get an understanding. For building a collection more than anything, as want to try and seperate out table types onto different drives to make them plug and play to a degree. Eg:

 

Drive 1 - EM

Drive 2 -  SS

Drive 3 - Original

 

The idea will be to have a mini PC with 2 monitors attached and then plugging in the correct HDD running the software and hosting the tables. 

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28 minutes ago, Omizzay said:

There's usually an understanding from the community to give a 3 year gap before releasing recreations.  But most of the newer tables are quite an undertaking, not like the DMD tables.  Batman 66 for example was built from the ground up by quite a big team.  Same with Guardians of the Galaxy and the upcoming Black Knight Sword of Rage.

 

Also, it's mainly Stern that seem to be fine with the visual pinball scene.  Jersey Jack who produce some amazing games have publicly stated that they are against the practice so no one attempts to recreate theirs.

 

Ah fair enough. It seems a shame that they'd be against it, as Virtual Pinball is a gateway into real tables. I'd never consider buying one as I don't have space, but being able top play virtually means I will look out and pump coins into a table if found in real world. This is certainly not a practice that I think cannibalises sales. 

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1 hour ago, bradigor said:

 

Ah fair enough. It seems a shame that they'd be against it, as Virtual Pinball is a gateway into real tables. I'd never consider buying one as I don't have space, but being able top play virtually means I will look out and pump coins into a table if found in real world. This is certainly not a practice that I think cannibalises sales. 

 
Yeah, you are right. I was with my daughter at a bday party over the weekend, right near the arcade in Bournemouth, so we popped in after it had finished and stuck a load of money into the Stern Jurassic Park machine, mainly because of my renewed interest in pinball via VPX. I must say virtual pinball is fantastic but there is nothing like a proper machine, playing it felt fantastic and I will always have a few goes if I see one out in the wild.

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3 hours ago, bradigor said:

Also as a follow up question. As I have always loved pinball, but just played what I found, never realising the evolution...

 

@OmizzayYou put table types as SS, DMD, Original in this post.
 

 

I know SS is Solid State, but when you list as DMD, what is that? Still SS? I also knoe EM is Electro-Mechanical and is generally pre-80's stuff on the whole. 

 

Are all modern tables* SS? I know the Scottywic one is a SS Original, but just tryiong to get an understanding. For building a collection more than anything, as want to try and seperate out table types onto different drives to make them plug and play to a degree. Eg:

 

Drive 1 - EM

Drive 2 -  SS

Drive 3 - Original

 

The idea will be to have a mini PC with 2 monitors attached and then plugging in the correct HDD running the software and hosting the tables. 

Yeah I know the Bally Williams games are still Solid State, but what I meant by DMD is that the graphics on the DMDs begin to improve with various animations etc instead of just having the scores up.  Mainly the 90s classic games which I consider the golden age of pinball with the likes of Addams Family, Twilights Zone, Whitewater, etc.

 

I have zero interest in EMs so I actually ended up removing most of them off my machine.

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1 hour ago, Melon_Bread said:

 
Yeah, you are right. I was with my daughter at a bday party over the weekend, right near the arcade in Bournemouth, so we popped in after it had finished and stuck a load of money into the Stern Jurassic Park machine, mainly because of my renewed interest in pinball via VPX. I must say virtual pinball is fantastic but there is nothing like a proper machine, playing it felt fantastic and I will always have a few goes if I see one out in the wild.

I agree...there's nothing like an actual physical game of pinball, but VPX is the next best thing and will let you experience hundreds of games that you will never have a chance to play in real life.  It also allows you to learn the rules of a table before you play it in real life, so you end up playing that much better.

 

I organize events and festivals for a living and whenever I am able to, I always try to include an area where I put in pinball machines (at least for me and my kids to enjoy).  Here's a recent 10 days festival I did in Abu Dhabi in December where I had an LE Wizard of Oz, a CE Willy Wonka, a Stranger Things Pro and a Guardians of the Galaxy Premium:

 

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4 hours ago, Omizzay said:

Yeah I know the Bally Williams games are still Solid State, but what I meant by DMD is that the graphics on the DMDs begin to improve with various animations etc instead of just having the scores up.  

 

Yeah I think when people categorise the Solid State era it's basically games with seven segment displays for scores. T2 is generally considered the first DMD game, though Data East used a small DMD on Checkpoint which was actually released earlier.

 

And EM games are similarly categorised by the reel score displays. Perhaps interestingly the very first solid state games actually kept the score reels and chime units (the ding ding sounds) traditionally associated with EMs. Chime units stuck around in quite a few solid state games because people considered them an iconic part of pinball. See also any time pinball appears in the movies, they almost always use chime sound effects, even on cutting edge games 

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Living in Fife, there pretty much no chance of finding a real pinball table in the wild… except last night my wife took the kids swimming to a local holiday park (Pettycur Bay), so I tagged along for a coffee and a look at their wee arcade.

They had a Rambo lightgun game which was out of order, some crappy looking motorbike games etc. However, in the corner I spied this beauty…

 

 

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I spent a good half hour on it, loved it! Now to get a copy on VPX!

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14 hours ago, PikaStu said:

Living in Fife, there pretty much no chance of finding a real pinball table in the wild… except last night my wife took the kids swimming to a local holiday park (Pettycur Bay), so I tagged along for a coffee and a look at their wee arcade.

They had a Rambo lightgun game which was out of order, some crappy looking motorbike games etc. However, in the corner I spied this beauty…

 

 

obviously it's not close if you live in Anstruther or whatever but if you happen to be in Falkirk there's a comic shop on the main shopping street with Iron Man, The Avengers and the X-men table with the crazy magnet multiball. They also had a bunch of older tables in for a while but they might have gone away again.

 

If I was going to splash out on a PC for virtual pinballing what sort of spec should I be looking at?

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