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That's the joke!

And why is that do you think? According to some an iPod touch is as much a gaming device as a DS or PSP. And yet here we have a bunch of very typical sounding kids who have every handheld except that one. That's strange, no?

It's almost like iPods and handheld consoles, well, it's like they're totally different things, isn't it?

BUT apparently they're all in the same market. Can that be true?

I don't think so but if you insist.

The discussion was whether ipods and smartphones will have an impact on the 3DS. Not whether kids at the moment have an ipod. If a kid already has a ds, there's not much point in buying them an ipod, but as far as future purchases go, there are many more options on the counter now for mobile entertainment.

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fucking hell, no one really cares. The only thing that matters is that they sell and are generally considered to be good games. Demographics mean nothing

Hi, My name's Dandy_Sephy, I can't follow a thread and so I just steam in and reply to the last post taking no heed of the proceeding ten pages. Sometimes it works for me, usually it doesn't but if you don't buy a ticket you can't win the prize.

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Hi, My name's Dandy_Sephy, I can't follow a thread and so I just steam in and reply to the last post taking no heed of the proceeding ten pages. Sometimes it works for me, usually it doesn't but if you don't buy a ticket you can't win the prize.

You'd have a point if i'd not made several posts to the argument already, including the start of it :blah:

As it stands the argument is a circular one filled with the same arguments repeated ad nauseum yet it's progressed no where.

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The discussion was whether ipods and smartphones will have an impact on the 3DS. Not whether kids at the moment have an ipod. If a kid already has a ds, there's not much point in buying them an ipod, but as far as future purchases go, there are many more options on the counter now for mobile entertainment.

Well the games have to appeal to children so that they pick these other devices over a 3DS. I'm saying, and I think I'm right, that when you actually THINK you'll see that Angry Birds and Cut the Rope are as far removed from the games that sell the DS as could be. When you look at the top DS games they're all Mario and Pokemon and Nintendogs and Animal Crossing, they're not quite tricky and repetative physics based games And until that changes I don't think that those type of games will impact on sales of the 3DS.

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Well the games have to appeal to children so that they pick these other devices over a 3DS. I'm saying, and I think I'm right, that when you actually THINK you'll see that Angry Birds and Cut the Rope are as far removed from the games that sell the DS as could be. When you look at the top DS games they're all Mario and Pokemon and Nintendogs and Animal Crossing, they're not quite tricky and repetative physics based games And until that changes I don't think that those type of games will impact on sales of the 3DS.

Wow, are you really that blind? Do you think the 125million sales of the DS have been to nothing but children? Of course they haven't. That's been the whole Nintendo ethos this generation - sell the consoles to everyone and they've been very successful at doing that. What you seem to be saying though is that all those millions will also go out and buy the new tech upgrade. Many of us on here don't think that will be the case. What use is 3D to brain training or NSMB or Professor Layton or anything like that? Why would normal, non gaming people, go and spend £300 on a new device that they don't really need in these frugal times?

I've said all this before. No one is saying the 3DS will will not sell, but I, and a few others, can't see it replicating the success of the DS as for many it will be a pointless upgrade and there are many more alternatives for mobile entertainment on the market these days.

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Most of the sales of the DS have been to children, of course, this is obvious.

It's not much of an argument to say "Oh but people will be able to play games on all sorts of things, this will harm the 3DS" That's only half an argument. Because you also need the games. At the moment they're not there. Will they be there in the future? I doubt it, I reckon the games that succeed on the iThings will be the puzzle games you see now, ones you can play on the bus for 2 minutes at a time. These are not the games that sell the handhelds.

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Wow, are you really that blind? Do you think the 125million sales of the DS have been to nothing but children? Of course they haven't. That's been the whole Nintendo ethos this generation - sell the consoles to everyone and they've been very successful at doing that. What you seem to be saying though is that all those millions will also go out and buy the new tech upgrade. Many of us on here don't think that will be the case. What use is 3D to brain training or NSMB or Professor Layton or anything like that? Why would normal, non gaming people, go and spend £300 on a new device that they don't really need in these frugal times?

I've said all this before. No one is saying the 3DS will will not sell, but I, and a few others, can't see it replicating the success of the DS as for many it will be a pointless upgrade and there are many more alternatives for mobile entertainment on the market these days.

A pointless upgrade? The only place where you can play new Nintendo games? How's that pointless, that's the only thing that's sold any Nintendo console ever.

Although the 3DS will probably have much more 3rd party developer support as well

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A pointless upgrade? The only place where you can play new Nintendo games? How's that pointless, that's the only thing that's sold any Nintendo console ever.

Although the 3DS will probably have much more 3rd party developer support as well

Yeah, cause the N64 and Gamecube sold gangbusters, didn't they?

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Most of the sales of the DS have been to children, of course, this is obvious.

It's not much of an argument to say "Oh but people will be able to play games on all sorts of things, this will harm the 3DS" That's only half an argument. Because you also need the games. At the moment they're not there. Will they be there in the future? I doubt it, I reckon the games that succeed on the iThings will be the puzzle games you see now, ones you can play on the bus for 2 minutes at a time. These are not the games that sell the handhelds.

No, but the fact that most of them are also a phone/games player/mp3 player/video player/internet browser etc etc will sell them.

Do you know any kids who don't have a DS?

Yes, mine.

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I feel sick doing this, but ramone has a point:

The DS has proven more popular with younger children than Sony’s PSP; 80 percent of DS owners are 8 to 16 years of age, while PSP players tend to be 16 to 24 years old, according to analysts at Wedbush Morgan.

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Note: this was from the end of 2007. So those kids are 3 years older now.

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Ramone, these last few pages have clearly been a bit of a non-starter for you. Maybe you should come back when you have some new material?

Good argument.

Try this one, do you think iPad sales will damage sales of the Xbox360? Being as they are two totally different devices offering totally different gameplay experiences?

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Good argument.

Try this one, do you think iPad sales will damage sales of the Xbox360? Being as they are two totally different devices offering totally different gameplay experiences?

Yeah, a little bit. iPads sell to older users, and if there's an older user who might want to play some games now and then, an iPad would be a more acceptable purchase that could be "good enough" for his needs. I'm not sure how many older users want to play consoles who don't already have one at this point, but there could be an impact.

We've posted surveys and market analysis that back that up, at least.

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Yeah, a little bit. iPads sell to older users, and if there's an older user who might want to play some games now and then, an iPad would be a more acceptable purchase that could be "good enough" for his needs. I'm not sure how many older users want to play consoles who don't already have one at this point, but there could be an impact.

We've posted surveys and market analysis that back that up, at least.

Oh right, I didn't realise we talked in little bits. I thought that kind of pedantry died with boyatsea. In that case, yeah probably a few people will forego a 3DS in favour of an iPhone 5. Not many though, eh? Because they're chalk and cheese.

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Why do people keep ignoring the evidence and stick their fingers in their ears? Is it that they want Nintendo to be the biggest fish in the small pond of hardcore gaming so they can boast about their console allegiance, rather than have them be a smaller fish in a much bigger pond?

As much as you'd like to partition off these different devices into completely separate silos, reality isn't that cut and dry, and all of these devices are competing with each other. With some demographics there's little overlap, with some there's a lot, sometimes different devices are competing with different demographics for another device, like with the iTouch selling to kids and the iPad selling to older users.

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Why do people keep ignoring the evidence and stick their fingers in their ears? Is it that they want Nintendo to be the biggest fish in the small pond of hardcore gaming so they can boast about their console allegiance, rather than have them be a smaller fish in a much bigger pond?

As much as you'd like to partition off these different devices into completely separate silos, reality isn't that cut and dry, and all of these devices are competing with each other. With some demographics there's little overlap, with some there's a lot, sometimes different devices are competing with different demographics for another device, like with the iTouch selling to kids and the iPad selling to older users.

The 360 is more popular with older users just as the iPad is.

The touch is more popular among younger people (apparently) just as the DS is.

And yes the DS will lose shedloads of sales but the 360 won't.

Because...

They're devices, competing for the same usage time. So I guess the only thing stopping the iPad from taking lots of 360 sales is the completely different kinds of games available?!

A bit like with the 3DS then? BAM!

Or is it kids are thick and just play anything - Angry Birds, Pokemon, as long as they're playing something they're happy, right?

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Or is Angry Birds closer to Zelda than Cut the Rope is to Call of Duty? Because of the bright colours?

Is that why kids will switch the kinds of games they play to AB but adults won't.

Fucking hell I have destroyed Rubberjohnny today. I put on a fucking masterclass. I've actually impressed myself and I'm normally tough to please.

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No matter how many times its stated, the likes of B@C and others never appreciate the eye bleedingly obvious fact that Nintendo hardware is bought to play Nintendo games. This is where Nintendo are unique. For all of Sony's impressive in-house line up during the life of the PS3, as the sale figures show, the exclusive big hitters have failed to drive hardware sales. I personally find it unfathomable that the 360 to Halo ownership ratio isn't 1:1, but again, the exclusive MS games aren't the core driver for take up of the console.

Comparing Nintendo handheld to their bigger console brothers is nonsense too, as they're two disparate markets. And before the likes of RubberJohnny chime in, yes, there will be over lap between the two, but the relatively poor sales (although both were profitable for Nintendo) of the N64 and GC didn't dampen the appeal and sales of the GB/GBC/GBA.

There might be a small subset of potential consumers out there who feel their gaming is catered by their iPhone so won't buy a 3DS. But you can't see the 3DS as an incremental, shippable upgrade like the 3GS to iPhone 4. The exclusive games only available on the 3DS will be what sells it.

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I just think - and of course - it's just a think and therefore no evidence, that the size of the market of people who "bought DS's having never really played games before but will not buy a 3DS because they now have a smartphone" - is actually quite small.

I don't expect the 3DS to sell as much as the DS though. The DS is the biggest selling console *of all time*

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I just think - and of course - it's just a think and therefore no evidence, that the size of the market of people who "bought DS's having never really played games before but will not buy a 3DS because they now have a smartphone" - is actually quite small.

I don't expect the 3DS to sell as much as the DS though. The DS is the biggest selling console *of all time*

Yeah, and wasn't the PS1 the biggest selling console of all time before the PS2 came out?

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