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Terrible. Stuart Pearce was a great player but is a downbeat, horrible manager.

He could moan all he wants about not having Wiltshire or Carroll but realistically he's got a bunch of good players who should be motivated and keen to play.

Eventually they were toothless and lightweight.

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That Henderson looks a player though eh? No? Oh.

Phil Jones, on the other hand - defensive rock Captaining England to defeat tonight! Brilliant!

Phil Neville is on twitter blaming fatigue on England's exits from tournaments. Apparently it's a pattern.

Like giving away penalties in the last few minutes of games there Phil? Can't blame that on fatigue can you. Just not being good enough. That's the "pattern".

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That Henderson looks a player though eh? No? Oh.

Played out of position for 3 u21 national games in a England team with no fluidity at all. Judge him on his performances in a Liverpool kit playing alongside Gerrard, Suarez and Kuyt instead of with fucking Cleverly and Muamba.

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We are shit at all levels but hopefully the new proposals for kids football will be agreed and see us winning something in around 20 years (hopeful estimate)

Lets not kid ourselves into thinking that this bunch of England under 21s are anything other than average.

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There's no team in the top two divisions that would want Pearce as their manager yet he's in charge of the next crop of England players? Says it all really. The whole set up is just an old boys club. How else could you explain people like him and Southgate - utter failures in real positions - being given such responsibility.

I'd imagine Dalglish and Wenger will get some pelters tomorrow, but look at that team, it's incredibly poor.

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We are shit at all levels but hopefully the new proposals for kids football will be agreed and see us winning something in around 20 years (hopeful estimate)

Lets not kid ourselves into thinking that this bunch of England under 21s are anything other than average.

Hmmm, there are some potentially great players in there. Just like there are some really great players who've played for england over the last 5 years or whatever. Players like Rooney, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Terry, Lampard, A. Cole etc are considered to be pretty great players, holding down key places in teams that have been very successful in the champions league is surely proof of that.

But they are missing something that the foreign players in the EPL add. Very difficult thing to quantify, it's slightly harsh to compared us to Spain, barely any other team in the world can. We had a better world cup than Italy or France, and Germany beat Argentina just as badly as they beat us, and who could deny the quality of some of Argentinas players?

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England need a Shweinsteiger/Xavi/late Scholes for Man U/Zidane to take control, slow things down when needed (let players get back in position!) and dictate the attack. Older Wilshere/Rooney might be up to it.

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It's a fucking joke, really, the whole thing is bent.

But then if you genuinely think a multi billion pound industry like football is squeaky clean then I'm not sure what to say.

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It always makes me smile when AC Jimbo defends match fixing in Italy on Football Weekly. Well, not match fixing as such, but the convenient draws that happen in the last month of the Italian season. It's clearly a cultural thing because the Italian people genuinely don't seem to see anything wrong with both sides agreeing to draw before a game if the result suits them both. That kind of attitude just introduces a massive grey area when you try to debate what is and what isnt match fixing. I'm glad its not a part of the game over here in the UK (or at least if it does go on here its not as painfully obvious)

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Twitter going into meltdown over Villas Boas being offered the Chelsea job. It is being reported by some news agencies too.

Chelsea to make Andres Villas-Boas new manager after offering to pay release fee according to reports

]Jose Mourinho’s former assistant Andre Villas-Boas, the FC Porto manager widely regarded as one of the brightest coaching prospects in European football, is set to be offered the chance to follow in the Special One’s footsteps and take over at Chelsea, according to reports in Portugal.

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On the move: Andre Villas-Boas is bound for Chelsea, according to reports in Portugal Photo: GETTY IMAGES

By Rory Smith10:36AM BST 20 Jun 2011

Roman Abramovich is believed to have agreed to pay a £13 million release clause in Villas Boas’s contract and the 33-year-old is expected to travel to London for talks with the Stamford Bridge side.

Chelsea are thought to be prepared to offer him around £4.5 million-a-year to become their new coach, with sources in Portugal indicating Villas-Boas will accept the offer.

Villas-Boas has become one of the most coveted coaches in Europe after a remarkable first season at the Estadio do Dragao. His Porto side won the Portuguese title with a record number of points and eased to the Europa League playing an attractive, open style.

Those achievements led to an approach from Inter Milan – another club where Villas-Boas worked with Mourinho – over the weekend, after the Italian club lost manager Leonardo to Paris Saint-Germain. The Portuguese, though, is thought to have turned that offer down.

Villas-Boas expressed as recently as last month his intention to remain in Portugal for another year to continue to hone his craft. He was only appointed as manager of Porto last summer, after making his name at Academica de Coimbra. He led to small, provincial side out of a relegation battle and into 11th place.

Interesting appointment if it happens. Porto were undoubtedly one of the best three or four sides in Europe last season and it is a shame that they will be ripped apart by the bigger boys. I guess Villas Boas is a decent fit for Chelsea, there will be a lot of good will towards him from the fans, he is fluent in English and apparently something of an Anglophile. He will be under huge pressure for instant success though. Personally I was kinda hoping he would take over the vacant managers role at my club, if only so we could have a day of Villas Boas Villa's Boss headlines. 8)

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It's quite a cool story how Villas Boas got into football actually, it will probably be repeated ad infinitum if he gets the Chelsea job, but back in the mid '90s when Bobby Robson was manager of Porto it just turned out he happened to be a near neighbour of Villas Boas. Obviously if the manager of the club you support lives two minutes walk away, you will try and get in touch with him. Especially if you are still a star struck teenager.

Apparently Villas Boas wrote Bobby Robson a letter telling him he was making a mistake leaving Domingos Paciencia on the bench. Robson wrote back asking why, Villas Boas wrote back again with a list of reasons and before much longer the two became friends. Villas Boas was about 16 years old at the time. Robson saw potential in the lad and gave him a coaching apprenticeship with the youth team at Porto, then sent him to Lilleshall to get his coaching badges by the time he was 17 (Villas Boas was fluent in English because his granny is English and she taught him.) Robson then called in a favour with George Burley, who played under Robson at Ipswich Town for ten years and Villas Boas got more experience in Scotland and with Ipswich Town. When he went back to Porto he got a job working for the Under 19s under some bloke called Jose Mourinho. The rest, as they say, is history.

I'd like to see him do well, because it is an amazing story.

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And of course, Domingos Paciencia was the opposing manager in the Europa League final this year. How crazy is that? You could argue that if perhaps he had played better in 1994/95 and been first choice for Porto then Villas Boas would have never written the letter to Sir Bobby and, well, I dont even need to finish my thought do I?

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It's quite a cool story how Villas Boas got into football actually, it will probably be repeated ad infinitum if he gets the Chelsea job, but back in the mid '90s when Bobby Robson was manager of Porto it just turned out he happened to be a near neighbour of Villas Boas. Obviously if the manager of the club you support lives two minutes walk away, you will try and get in touch with him. Especially if you are still a star struck teenager.

Apparently Villas Boas wrote Bobby Robson a letter telling him he was making a mistake leaving Domingos Paciencia on the bench. Robson wrote back asking why, Villas Boas wrote back again with a list of reasons and before much longer the two became friends. Villas Boas was about 16 years old at the time. Robson saw potential in the lad and gave him a coaching apprenticeship with the youth team at Porto, then sent him to Lilleshall to get his coaching badges by the time he was 17 (Villas Boas was fluent in English because his granny is English and she taught him. Robson then called in a favour with George Burley, who played under Robson at Ipswich Town for ten years and Villas Boas got more experience in Scotland and with Ipswich Town. When he went back to Porto he got a job working for the Under 19s under some bloke called Jose Mourinho. The rest, as they say, is history.

I'd like to see him do well, because it is an amazing story.

That is a good story.

Will be good to see a fresh face managing one of the Premiership top four.

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Bobby Robson was one of the nicest people ever involved in the world of football, wasn't he? I bet he was a cracking Grandad.

Yeah, he was great. It's quite rare to see somebody be universally popular, but Sir Bobby definitely achieved that. It's not just that he was a nice guy, but also that he was bloody good at his job. He won major honours at domestic and European level in four different countries which is a hell of an achievement. His teams played attractive football, and it seems he was hugely influential in bringing people like Mourinho and Villas Boas through.

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I'm sure there's plenty of pluses to taking the Chelsea job. He's clearly fond of England and has family over here, so that's not a problem, he'll get plenty of dollar to spend and the chance to get involved in the English game, of which he's perhaps a bit of a student of. I guess he could've waited for the Barcelona job, but there's no guarantees he'd have got it. I think Leonardo is leaving Inter, but I don't think he'd have gone for Inter over Chelsea, given the choice. I dunno. To me, Chelsea seems like an alright gig for an ambitious manager.

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I'm sure there's plenty of pluses to taking the Chelsea job. He's clearly fond of England and has family over here, so that's not a problem, he'll get plenty of dollar to spend and the chance to get involved in the English game, of which he's perhaps a bit of a student of. I guess he could've waited for the Barcelona job, but there's no guarantees he'd have got it. I think Leonardo is leaving Inter, but I don't think he'd have gone for Inter over Chelsea, given the choice. I dunno. To me, Chelsea seems like an alright gig for an ambitious manager.

Leonardo is leaving Inter, he's going to PSG.

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