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I'm not sure if those games originally listed are all that rare. For instance there are always a number of copies of Suikoden I and II and the Ltd edition release of Castlevania:SoTN on eBay.

Anyhow Star Ocean 2 is pretty rare IMO. I've never seen it for sale either new or used in any shop. I bagged a copy in nr mint condition off of eBay for £12.50 a little over 2 years ago. It was the first copy that had come up on eBay for about 6 months. It sells for a fair bit more now :)

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Superb topic.

I've become a bit of a PS1 collector in the last 12 months. I think there is a big difference between rare and desirable. Suikoden 1 and 2, castlevania sotn are not mega rare but very desirable.

Over the last 12 months I have picked up about 50 "rare" games for an average of about £5 from game's second hand bin to cash generators and car boots. Some of my fav's are:

poy poy 2 - a mad game and great fun. Genuinely rare

Bubble bobble feat. rainbow i. - got it for £8 and I have played it loads. It's all mint

Tombi - great game

Just a quick list of stuff I've got:

street fighter collection, panzer front, front mission 3, bomberman world, future cop, X-men vs. street fighter, mega man x3, capcom generations, blood omen, r-type delta, r-types.

The bargain bins have dried up a bit recently so I have moved on to the PS2 and recently picked up 2 copies of ESPN track and field on the PS2 for £5 and £6.

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This is a bit of a daft discussion really. With few exceptions, it's almost impossible to tell with any accuracy how rare a game is. The market pricing is entirely cooked up by eBay traders based on what's currently sought after. After many, many years it might become apparent that a game is in unusually scant supply.

There's only any point in collecting games that can't be emulated anyway.

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There's only any point in collecting games that can't be emulated anyway.

Many people want to own the real game on the actual machine. Like myself, sure I can emulate virtually my whole collection and sell the collection for many thousands. But I like to own something other then a file on a PC.

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Track and Field. ;)

There are loads of those about, for about £6. Check Gamestation for them (phone mail-order too).

I hope you're not on about the PS2 version:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...ssPageName=WDVW

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...ssPageName=WDVW

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...ssPageName=WDVW

For a 4 year old game:

:lol: @ Mr. Spew

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Wow, I never fail but to be depressed by these threads.

Don't get me wrong, I respect anyone who trawls through the bargain bins, carboots and down right shit-holes to pick up some 'rare' or desirable titles for less than the ridiculousnous Ebay sometimes creates, I suppose this is like a hobby.

But people buying games only because they are 'rare', or worse still because they just want to profiteer on Ebay genuinely turns my stomach and reminds me of how much the Internet has ruined gaming for the genuine enthuiast.

Here's a couple of trufax: i) most of these 'rare' games with some minor exceptions, usually go for less than the RRP of new PS2/XB/GC shovelware titles that people will play for a few hours, then leave to depreciate to a fraction of their price. ii) anyone who can't see why Ebay profiteering is not only morally reprehensible, but also confirmation that the individual involved hates other gamers, and has serious personal issues, must be blinded by the meagre profits they think they are going to make.

Summary - buying or owning 'rare' games = cool; buying 'rare' games to sell or as an investment = not.

E-X

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especially as you're only talking buying them for £2 and selling them for £60, woo worth the effort? not at all! its not like they're antiques. just collect the ones that you will play and enjoy I guess

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Wow, I never fail but to be depressed by these threads.

Don't get me wrong, I respect anyone who trawls through the bargain bins, carboots and down right shit-holes to pick up some 'rare' or desirable titles for less than the ridiculousnous Ebay sometimes creates, I suppose this is like a hobby.

But people buying games only because they are 'rare', or worse still because they just want to profiteer on Ebay genuinely turns my stomach and reminds me of how much the Internet has ruined gaming for the genuine enthuiast.

Here's a couple of trufax: i) most of these 'rare' games with some minor exceptions, usually go for less than the RRP of new PS2/XB/GC shovelware titles that people will play for a few hours, then leave to depreciate to a fraction of their price. ii) anyone who can't see why Ebay profiteering is not only morally reprehensible, but also confirmation that the individual involved hates other gamers, and has serious personal issues, must be blinded by the meagre profits they think they are going to make.

Summary - buying or owning 'rare' games = cool; buying 'rare' games to sell or as an investment = not.

E-X

Bang on - but I'm sure most of the dickheads who bought multiple copies of Steel Battalion only to flog them for a £50 profit aren't going to take heed any time soon.

I love playing old games which I could never afford at the time - there are some str8 gems amongst a sea of shit released for the 32-bit machines, but only those in short supply and with high asking prices will be the ones you hear about. Which is a shame, because there are some things I'd have loved to play.

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Why not get a profit out of it? Every other market does it, be it old music cd's and vinyl to cars. I mainly only buy the rare games id like to try/enjoy, but ive come across a few in my time which have made me a bit of money, im not like some people who horde a few copies (see people who own radient silver gun/ ikargua) but why not make some money from it, if people want to pay a set price for it, thats up to them. Its only idiots that push the price up, not the sellers.

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Looking at this thread it's missing:

Darxide for 32X - rarer than every other title mentioned here

Chaotix for 32X

So... f'nar. Okay, you said PSX and Saturn only, but it is 32 bit.

I'm slowly picking up all the r@re PSX games I can find as a hobby. It's fun, and quite cheap and the games are enjoyable to play.

Point Blank 1, 2 and 3 also haven't been mentioned and they're very uncommon, as well as KOF '98 PAL with Memory Cart and Riven for Saturn. Oh, and Monster Rancher for PSX.

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Here are a few PS1 titles I've personally found to be R@RE:

- Super Pang Collection - I've only seen this twice, and one of those times was when I bought it.

- Rapid Reload - I only ever saw and played this around PS1 launch time. It's the one title I always look for in the PS1 second hand section these days.

- Raiden Project - Bit of an odd one this. I usually find this around once a year either at a car booter or in a second hand PS1 section. As I've already got this on the PS (and the arcade PCB of Raiden 2), I now just buy it to sell on Ebay.

I have to disagree (in a nice way) with the comments E-X made about people profiting from selling hard to find titles on Ebay.

If an item is hard to find I will always add it to my collection. Only if I stumble upon a second copy (and at a good price) will I put it on Ebay. The selling helps to fund further retro and rare item hunting stints for myself, and also helps others as I'm selling them titles they're after.

An example of this is that right at the moment I'm selling some bits and pieces on Ebay. Sure, they're not rare (some arcade, NES, Megadrive stuff), but the sale of these are helping to fund a set of boxed Colecovision items that I've set my heart on.

Rob

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I think what some people forget is that if i put something like Castlevania Symphony of the Night on Ebay in totally mint unplayed condition (mines is bloody wrecked i have played it that much!) at a starting price of 99p, at the moment there's such a huge demand for it that it would simply reach £100 due to biding from people who want it,also someone would snap it up if i put it on Buy it Now for say £50+. IMO there is nothing wrong with both at all, just making some spare cash ;)

Personally the majority of games i look for on psone just so happen to be so called rare ones now, its nothing to do with myself wanting rare games its just that it so happens these games i want are really good games that are olde, Suikoden for example its a good RPG but bloody hard to find thus its £50+ tag is justified, when you see games like Kingsleys Adventures with RARE on it for £15+ you start to think come on now just because you simply cant find it doesnt justify a high price point, or does it?

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That's exactly right, supply and demand. I need a few games that I have not found yet and all of them are in the higher price bracket. I'm working from a shopping list for games that I wrote a few years ago. This was before they were deemed r@re11!! and its since then that other gamers like myself have been unable to find these titles. When your down to the last few titles to find that's when you start to pay the big ticket. Yes I've paid £95 for a Megadrive game, but in balance I paid £85 for Street Fighter 2 1st version for the snes.

If you want it you'll pay more than the next gamer.

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That's exactly right, supply and demand. I need a few games that I have not found yet and all of them are in the higher price bracket. I'm working from a shopping list for games that I wrote a few years ago. This was before they were deemed r@re11!! and its since then that other gamers like myself have been unable to find these titles. When your down to the last few titles to find that's when you start to pay the big ticket. Yes I've paid £95 for a Megadrive game, but in balance I paid £85 for Street Fighter 2 1st version for the snes.

If you want it you'll pay more than the next gamer.

Why do you "need" them? Oh, to sell at an extortianate price and keep the vicious circle running, right.

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I agree and dissagree with E-Z. If I can buy a game that I know I can sell on for more than I bought it I'll buy it play it and if I like I'll keep it. If not then it gets ebayed.

A lot of the games that I sell I feel that I am doing people a favour. There are games out there that I want and can't get anywhere but ebay. If nobody put them on ebay I wouldn't be able to get them and would have to pay the ridiculous prices the 'specialists' charge.

If I can buy a good game for £5 and sell it on to someone who has been looking for it for ages for £20 I feel we have both had a good deal.

As someone else has said all the money I make I reinvest in my collection. I'm a collector and not a trader. I have bought many games on ebay for more than the individual has paid for it and I don't mind.

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Right, I was going to address individual points raised, but then I realised my complete ineptitude when it comes to using modern technology and quoting multiple posts, so instead I have come up with a simple three lesson plan for all you actual and potential Ebay profiteers.

Lesson 1 : Supply and Demand - The first piece of false logic any Ebay profiteer uses, be they ticket touts or game sellers or whatever, is that people pay what they want to pay for the item they are selling. From this they claim they are providing a service, supplying a desirable item for a price someone is willing to pay. However this is a completely erroneous argument, here's how it actually works:

- a game is hyped by a magazine, or in the case of several 'rare' PlayStation games appears on a pack in demo that many people will have played - this creates a demand for said game.

- a finite number of copies are in circulation so acquisition of said game is more difficult than those with a higher print run

- this means that when copies are made available in a nation-wide market place, like Ebay, prices reach their peak because the title will sell for the highest price anyone in the country (who is looking at Ebay) is willing to pay

- what should happen next is that those who really want the game should be able to put some effort in and find the title for substantially less through the usual second hand channels, this means there will be less demand for the title on Ebay and therefore prices will go down

- what actually happens is that a bunch of greedy assholes see a profit in finding said title, and therefore come into direct competition with those who are after a cheaper copy to actually play

- if said greedy assholes get to the cheap copies first, they place them on Ebay, this has a two fold effect - not only is a cheaper copy taken out of circulation (thus reinforcing the belief that the game is rare and can only be bought for high prices) but because a genuine gamer is denied getting the game cheaply they have to resort to the Ebay profiteers, meaning that the price goes up further.

- from this system the only people who benefit are the greedy assholes, gamers and those with a conscious lose out

- further to this, specialist game shops (who are all too well aware of Ebay) decide that they should charge what the highest bidder in the country is willing to pay for the rare, plus normally a bit extra, thus the number of cheap copies in circulation further drops, meaning the price will once again go up.

What's even worse about this scenario is that said greedy assholes are now starting to speculatively buy newly released games (like Steel Battalion) so the original RRP copies aren't even being placed into general circulation. Thus they are actually trying to artificially engineer the rareness of a game, rather than let it occur naturally.

Lesson 2 : Economics and Morality - I am willing to bet that the majority of Ebay profiteers are Thatcher's children (not literally, that would be ridiculous), and were thus raised with a totally immoral (or should that be amoral) attitude to business - ie don't consider anything but yourself and the profit you will make, fuck everyone else, they are weak. Based on similar lines, it would be easy to justify becoming a crack dealer - you wouldn't be forcing people to take these drugs, its the inequalities and problems in society that have led them to it. You would only be providing the drug at a price they are willing to pay, otherwise they could stop buying it. You would be participating in the economic life of this country, as although you would not be paying income tax, you would be using the profits you have made to buy consumer goods (after paying for the necessary guns and so forth). The rehabilitation programmes addictions cause would be giving people jobs. Oh and the last excuse is the most commonly given for any immoral behaviour in our society, 'if I don't do it someone else will'. Now I'm not saying that Ebay profiteering is exactly the same as drug dealing - but it is born of the same hateful desires : greed and selfishness, in fact some drug dealers would be more redeemable than certain Ebayers because they are only resorting to such illegal (and potentially fatal) business ventures because society offers them few or no other options, and we all know that you ain't shit in our society unless you have the big screen TV and the brand name clothes.

Lesson 3 : How to make real easy money - as that is after all what all these profiteers are after, money without (hardly) any effort. Ladies and gentlemen, this is a Western capitalist country, we have a stock exchange! Consultation of financial newspapers or even a stock broker will normally yield a suitable list of sound investments - now all you have to do is go down to your local bank, with a way to transfer the amount you want to invest, and after filling in some paperwork and paying a small percentage you will be a genuine, bonefied stock holder! Now all you have to do is sit back, no trawling through all those gaming shit-holes any more, occasionally consult teletext or the financial sections of the newspapers, and wait until the right time, then sell, sell, sell! Free money for practically no effort, and all you had to do was take a slight financial gamble and visit a bank. (Note : I am not necessarily endorsing the concept of shareholding, but I am aware that it is a way 'grown-ups' invest their money)

Hell, if this doesn't seem appealing you can always go into the grease business, but stay out of my area - I run the grease racket in this town. I also run the shovel racket.

E-X

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Now I'm not saying that Ebay profiteering is exactly the same as drug dealing - but it is born of the same hateful desires : greed and selfishness, in fact some drug dealers would be more redeemable than certain Ebayers because they are only resorting to such illegal (and potentially fatal) business ventures because society offers them few or no other options,

;) poor people sell drugs because society offer no alternative. All the drug dealers I've ever known are too lazy to do a 9 - 5 and get an education. :)

You show me any invenstment that I can pay £5 into in August and turn it in to £30 by December and I'll sign up to it.

However seeing as that does not exist anywhere in the financial world I'll keep trawling the car boots and pre-owned bins.

I'm not providing a service I'm selling games, for a profit. Shock horror! I't not like I'm selling food to the starving.

I'm happy to be making a profit on Ebay. I have to work to find the games, car boots and pre-owned bins on a regular baisis.

Anyway, how much money is your house worth (if you have one)? I'm sure all your moral high ground counts for nothing if you sell it. Same thing.

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E-Z have you ever been ripped off on ebay before? You seem pretty bitter. I have over 200 positive feedback that means 200 happy customers who paid their money and got what they wanted. If you see a copy of Kizuna encounter at a car boot sale for £5 and you don't buy it you'd be right idiot. Ask yourself would you buy it? You wouldn't as you don't even know what kizuna encounter looks like or is, I do, that's not a failing of mine but a skill that I have.

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E-X. You are being silly. Very few games go on ebay for more than the cost of a new XBox game. Many of the rare games are emulated anyway, so a gamer can easily play Chrono Trigger or Symphony of the Night etc, for free should they wish. There are some collectors of the very hard to find, expensive stuff (Dreamcastmaster and roberthazelby seem to be among them), and we should be grateful for them, as they are preserving our hobby for the future. If ebay sales of duplicates and unwanted items help to fund this that's good thing.

The fact there is a liquid(ish) market on ebay for old videogames is a godsend. If I had to rely on a tiny number of indepndent stores for my games you can be sure very little would be available and prices would be very high. Once a game has been released for a month or two, its often impossible to find in GAME, but I can ebay makes it trivial to pick up many new games. How else could I have found a competitively priced Amplitude and Tempest X-3 in recent weeks? If it's possible to make a bit of money trawling car boot sales and flogging them on ebay, that's a usueful service to me, as I don't have the time or inclination to do it myself, but I can afford £20 if I want to play shadowrun on the SNES. It's interesting if there attempts to manipulate the price of items that are perceived to be rare by a few ebay sellers, but it's hardly on the level of a Sotheby's / CHristie's price fixing scandal.

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I know this is 64 bit -

Paper Mario

Never seen a PAL copy in the flesh ( as it were )

Have you

The rarest PAL game of that generation to have a PAL release if you ask me

I saw loads of them when it was new. I think it is pretty rare now though.

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Lesson 1 :

- a game is hyped by a magazine, or in the case of several 'rare' PlayStation games appears on a pack in demo that many people will have played - this creates a demand for said game.

- a finite number of copies are in circulation so acquisition of said game is more difficult than those with a higher print run

- this means that when copies are made available in a nation-wide market place, like Ebay, prices reach their peak because the title will sell for the highest price anyone in the country (who is looking at Ebay) is willing to pay

- what should happen next is that those who really want the game should be able to put some effort in and find the title for substantially less through the usual second hand channels, this means there will be less demand for the title on Ebay and therefore prices will go down

- what actually happens is that a bunch of greedy assholes see a profit in finding said title, and therefore come into direct competition with those who are after a cheaper copy to actually play

- if said greedy assholes get to the cheap copies first, they place them on Ebay, this has a two fold effect - not only is a cheaper copy taken out of circulation (thus reinforcing the belief that the game is rare and can only be bought for high prices) but because a genuine gamer is denied getting the game cheaply they have to resort to the Ebay profiteers, meaning that the price goes up further.

- from this system the only people who benefit are the greedy assholes, gamers and those with a conscious lose out

- further to this, specialist game shops (who are all too well aware of Ebay) decide that they should charge what the highest bidder in the country is willing to pay for the rare, plus normally a bit extra, thus the number of cheap copies in circulation further drops, meaning the price will once again go up.

What's even worse about this scenario is that said greedy assholes are now starting to speculatively buy newly released games (like Steel Battalion) so the original RRP copies aren't even being placed into general circulation. Thus they are actually trying to artificially engineer the rareness of a game, rather than let it occur naturally.

Games, just like cars, records, books, comics ir any other mass-marketed collectable become valuable for three reasons:

1. The print run must be low

2. There must be high buyer demand

3. The game must be of a high and wide-appealing quality

A game will be more valuable the higher it scores on ecah of these variables. Only one of these variables can be (possibly) mainpulated by resellers (demand- and only up to a certain point) so you are vastly overstating the power of the resller to manipulate prices in the market.

The high prices on ebay reflect this system of value rather than the artificial inflation you are proposing.

e.g. Case study of this would be the original Dreamcast only release of Ikaruga. Market watchers, imagining the game's collectability to replicate that of its older brother, Radiant Silvergun, bought up large quanitites of the title (perhaps this action you could justifiably take issue with). Of course, this was an obvious potential money spinner so many many people had the same idea. Looking at ebay over the few weeks after Ikaruga's launch it was clear that all of these seller's were going to lose money on the title as the market was flooded and far outstripped demand. This is a prime example of how the artifical price jacking of which you're talking simply doesn't work. The game has to be rare, in demand and high quality on its own merits before ebay rersllers can contribute (even a little) to its maintained market value.

Indeed, the artifical huge sales of Ikaruga after its DC release generated by resellers may have resulted in the GC realese of the title in the US and UK territiories.

One example of this would be Steel Battalion (original). The game's quality and appeal did not match its demand and print run so prices, rather than ballooning as many had hoped, simply stayed around the value they always had been. Its pretty tough for sellers to sell a steel battalion original on the rllmuk or ntsc forums for ANYTHING more than he original retail nowadays- If the title is listed for anything more than £120 it will not sell for cash. In contrast, a game like Suikoden 1 scores relativly highly on all fronts and so consistently makes double the original retail price because it naturally cores highly on the three collectability variables.

You are also vastly overstating the economic evils of buying for less and selling for more (espcially as the profits from car boot to ebay are so relativly small in a business sense). Your life probably contradicts your apparant feelings on the subject a hundred times over but I'm sure an economist could argue that point more salient manner than I.

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E-X

Sounds to me like someone wishes they could afford more games.

I go round bootfairs etc. I mainly buy games to keep. But occasionally I buy something that I don't want/need in order to sell on to make some extra money.

And?

It's like any other hobby. If someone wants to pay me £50 for a knackered copy of Sonic, why would I argue?

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I don't see anything wrong with finding a game at a boot sale for, say £2, and selling it on ebay for £30.

I've got a decent job but I'm not exactly rich. I trawl the Boot Sales looking for bargains for myself and if I see something worth a few pounds I will buy it and sell it on ebay.

I can then use the money made to fund more gaming purchases. I used the £25 I made on Super Puzzle Fighter to buy Disgaea for the PS2.

There's nothing stopping the guy that bought Super Puzzle Fighter for £30 from going round the boot sales himself. He wanted the game and he paid the money for the game. Simple as that. He was happy, even sent me an e-mail saying he was loving the game!

:D

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I know this is 64 bit -

Paper Mario

Never seen a PAL copy in the flesh ( as it were )

Have you

The rarest PAL game of that generation to have a PAL release if you ask me

Yeah it's pretty rare and bloody good.

It was going for approx £50 on ebay, then someone flooded the market (ebay), with them for £29.99 on Buy it Now. Once those were all sold the price started to creep up again.

Really good game.

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