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Danny clearly doesn’t trust Tyrion anymore. He went on and on about the bells and when she heard them she considered it and came to the conclusion “fuck it, don’t believe him”. 

 

I thought she was going off to nuke Cersei in the keep rather than burning up all the plebs though.

 

What was up with the wildfire though? I saw the green explosions a few times and was expecting some kinda gotcha! moment but it seems some people just had wildfire knocking around in their houses  

 

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At least we know who will be sitting on the iron throne now.

 

Next ep will be tying up maybe 3 seasons worth of plot in 60 minutes.

 

Hopefully that prick Grey Worm gets Merc'd. Always fucking hated the prick and his girl who demanded everyone burns. Fuck em.

 

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3 minutes ago, Jonny5 said:
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Danny clearly doesn’t trust Tyrion anymore. He went on and on about the bells and when she heard them she considered it and came to the conclusion “fuck it, don’t believe him”. 

 

I thought she was going off to nuke Cersei in the keep rather than burning up all the plebs though.

  

What was up with the wildfire though? I saw the green explosions a few times and was expecting some kinda gotcha! moment but it seems some people just had wildfire knocking around in their houses  

  

 

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I took it more as Dany intentionally killing innocents after the surrender as a lesson in fear for the rest of Westeros but the dumb fucker has just shot herself in the foot. If she was smart, she would have had Jon killed.

 

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Well I thought it was a lot better than previous weeks, but still had some pretty weak parts, along with some good parts.

 

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The Tyrion/Varys stuff I enjoyed. Varys has stayed 100% true to his nature since the start, and this was reflected in this episode. At what he knew was his end he was still hoping he was wrong about Dany, but he really knew he wasn't. I hope whatever he was doing gets some payoff next week. Tyrion has gone from cocksure know all to wanting to believe in people and it's destroyed his ability to make super smart decisions. I really like that part of it, started when he met Jon Snow way back when and his story arc is the only one that hasn't seemed forced.

 

Dany going mental has been foreshadowed for ever. And I thought it worked well, otherwise we were heading for a 'happily ever after ending' which would have been proper shit. And Greyworm made sense too, he was not happy with how everything was going, he knew everyone hated his people, that was set up a long time ago.

 

Bits I didn't like : Jamie and Cersei's end was just a bit lame. Scorpions being shit after being awesome. The Clegane Bros. fight was just a fan pleaser, could take it or leave it. The clumsy writing that got us to the battle part. Jon SNow being a fucking idiot all the time. He needs to step up and take some responsibility that boy. And the horse scene at the end, not sure what the hell that was all about. I was hoping that Arya would recite her list again and add Dany, and maybe Jon to it. But the writers have probably forgotten about the list she used to say every night before she went to bed (yes, I am fanficcing now, completely aware of that).

 

What pisses off the nerd in me Ignoring the fact that in the Iron Throne vision it was snow, the script said it was snow, the writers said it was snow, and now it looks like it'll be retconned to ash. But they can get away with that, so why not. They changed the plans at some point. But where the hell is this proper Winter everyone kept going on about?

 

Anyhoo, on to next week, I hope they don't mess up too badly and have some interesting twists for us!

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Would have to rewatch and check, but I’m sure they said in previous episodes that Cersei was barricaded into the Red Keep and had loads of civilians within the walls so they’d be killed if Dany just sent Drogon in to the keep and that would be bad.

 

But, Dany decided to double down and torch the entire city and this is what I’m not entirely buying.

 

Yes, they foreshadowed that she might be crazy. Yes, they set things up where the surrender of Cersei wasn’t enough after two significant deaths and she wanted blood, but it doesn’t explain why she didn’t fly to the Red Keep and torch Cersei (and all the innocents within its wall – which Ayra could have been witness to ) and instead go and burn everything and anything before eventually burning bits of the red keep (where she may or may not have killed Cersei).

 

If the answer is – she had gone totally crazy, then that is fine – but show it happening or have something happen in the battle that pushes her totally over the edge so she decides to kill them all.

 

Her troops murdering/raping and pillaging is believable as they hate the Lannister’s/Kings Landing and have put up with years of torment from the South (and there Queen is burning everything).

 

It’s not a bad conclusion at all, just felt like it needed another scene to ‘sell’ that she was as mad as the good old mad king.

 

The annoying thing is that it makes for a very potentially interesting final season of a resistance trying to take down the new big bad tyrant, but instead we have to wrap it all up in 75 minutes.

 

In theory, Jon, Davos, Tyrion, etc are screwed, because is the north/Dorne, etc going to be that bothered that Kings Landing and the Llanisters have all been torched, because the army that sacked it seemed to be enjoying themselves why would they now switch to Jon against their indestructible Queen who just won the war easily.

 

At least, no-one would have had – a building fall on her - in the who kills Cersei poll.

 

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All I will say that I’m a good judge of character.

 

I always knew Danny was a bad’un, even in earlier seasons when people were stanning themselves over her, she never had much of a moral compass...seeing her own brother being murdered in front of her without flintching was a sign she wasn’t all right in the head.

 

I guess it also explains Jon’s bouts of dumbassery too.

 

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Drogon to turn on Dany and side with Jon, anyone.....?

 

 

I fully expect this. 

 

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Next week will see Jon have to defeat Danny and end up on the throne, and the dragon will choose him over her for some reason. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Jonny5 said:

 

I fully expect this. 

 

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Next week will see Jon have to defeat Danny and end up on the throne, and the dragon will choose him over her for some reason. 

 

 

Yeah 

 

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She'll say 'Dracarys' to him and Drogon will refuse to obey.  Without her dragon, she's a goner.  Though isn't she immune to fire?  Maybe Tyrion will finish her off with his Hand of the Queen pin.

 

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14 minutes ago, Boothjan said:
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Drogon to turn on Dany and side with Jon, anyone.....?

 

 

I'm telling you

 



Bran to warg into Drogon

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Calling now the next episode will be called ‘A Dream Of Spring’ the title of Martins last book if he ever gets around to writing it.

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4 minutes ago, scottcr said:

 

I'm telling you

 

 

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Bran to warg into Drogon
 

 

 

 

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Wouldn’t he have done it by now and save thousands? 

 

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how the 

 



fuck are they going to deal with Drogon?  That's why I'm convinced that the only thing that'll do it is by having Bran warg into him

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2 minutes ago, Waggo said:

Calling now the next episode will be called ‘A Dream Of Spring’ the title of Martins last book if he ever gets around to writing it.

 

But it was clearly summer in this episode 

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Deathpool!

 

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Or more so, how will she die pool. (After such a heavy barbecue session. Its the only way.)

 

Who will take Danny down?

a-Jon.

b-Arya.

c-Tyrion.

d-Bronn.

e-A Building.

f-Brann.

g-Greyworm - But not really Greyworm.

h-Sansa.

i-Other?

 

And How?

1-Convince/Make Drogon turn face.

2-Assissins Creed.

3-Drop lots of bricks on her.

4-Find another Dragon, for a Dragon fight.

5-Crossbow.

6-Cold Weather

7-Strong words.

8-Other?

 

 

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However they do it I can’t see it being satisfying in just 90 mins story time.  Evil or no she just won, and has a victorious army of Dothraki, Unsullied and a stonking great big Dragon behind her.  Are we expected to believe they all just go away when somebody offs her?

 

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3 hours ago, Stigweard said:

 

Its not even that for me, it's just bad writing and characters betraying everything that made them interesting to start with. The show became great by building to things, taking it's time organically. Its now history sprinting through everything.

 

The spectacle of it all for a TV is amazing and next level but everything around it is just disappointing. 

 

I dunno, both the books and the show lose their way completely after Tywin dies. The show is much better at showing the boring shit from the last two books than they were. There’s been a lot of great, exciting moments and storylines but not a lot stringing it all together. This last season reminds me a lot of Endgame, for certain characters there’s been a through line that I’ve really enjoyed which is paying off in a satisfying way, for others there’s nothing because that’s not the point of this story, so they have a little story now in the finale but it’s not about them really. 

 

I think the the issue is probably that Jon is the Hulk, we’ve spent years watching him deal with weird problems that never quite seemed to form a coherent storyline and now it seems like none of it really mattered anyway. I’m holding out hope than he gets a satisfying conclusion next week though.

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It would undeniably have been better if

 

We’d had full 10 episode seasons and they’d introduced some new characters s6-7 to flesh out Westeros, and make us more invested in the crowds of  King’s Landing and show Cersei’s rule impacting the people.



 

The fetch quest zombie should’ve just been a battle at Eastwatch, and they could’ve fleshed out the North by showing us the Umbers getting swamped etc.

 

Jorah should’ve died at the colosseum in season 5. Sam at Winterfell.

 

Arya should be a proper faceless person, not larking about getting into epic scrapes.

 

Still good though. The Dany endgame is solid and I guess that’s where the books are headed.

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10 minutes ago, Waggo said:
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However they do it I can’t see it being satisfying in just 90 mins story time.  Evil or no she just won, and has a victorious army of Dothraki, Unsullied and a stonking great big Dragon behind her.  Are we expected to believe they all just go away when somebody offs her?

 

 

they will if

 



the dragon turns on her

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I thought this was great :lol:

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Sure it didn't make a lick of sense in terms of the greater story GRRM was probably building to but I thought it was an excellent and had really well thought out drama that captured some powerful emotional moments during a siege, evocative of something authentic and brutal such as The Battle of Berlin for instance. It was full of pathos and emotional poignancy, exactly what was completely missing from the Battle of Winterfell as well as the follow up episode.

 

I can accept and tolerate bad writing to a certain degree but its when that emotional storytelling goes is when i really I need to call something out for being shit, and this wasn't shit. Far from it. 

 

 

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How anyone can of liked that episode, other than possibly from a straight spectacle stance, is totally beyond me. The ways in which is was just utter moronic were myriad. The internet is gonna pick over it for years!;) Anyway, have a Jeremy video, he nails some of the broadest strokes.

 

 

 

 

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The internet spoils everything - 

 



It was a great episode.

 

It was pretty obvious how Dany dealt with the scorpions.  Fly with the sun behind you.  Fly low.  Fly fast.  Change direction quickly.  Get behind them faster than they can turn.  

 

This weeks episode shows up last weeks for being the poor episode that it was in hindsite... even though I still enjoyed that one too.

 

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I enjoyed it.

 

There was barely any character speech etc. It was all told in actions.

 

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Jaime and Tyrian wasn’t an awesome scene?

 

Jon’s “we’re the bad guys” moment? 

 

Only thing I didn’t like was Cersei and Jaimie’s end...hopefully they make it out.

 

Cersei was no worse or better than any of the other contenders for the throne, probably the nicest and most conflicted...

 

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It was amazing, but also stupid too.

 

It can be both.

 

The internet (by which these days we mean YouTube and Twitter) always wants to fit things into black and white terms; it's silly.

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