Cyberpunk 2077 - PS5 and XSeries versions out now + major patch

[Talk Show Host]

Just now, mdn2 said:

Maybe. But you must be able to see why others could find it offensive, particularly with their dubious tweets. 

 

I do, but the fact that some transgender find it offensive doesn't mean that CD are in the wrong, especially when other transgender don't find it offensive. 

 

Let their work speak for them and judge them in the context of their product, not from a poster someone has zoomed in, without any context and taken from a material that is not even promotional in any way other than tech.

[TehStu]

5 minutes ago, Stanley said:

You can't win here, RLLMUK McCarthyism in full effect.

There was an interesting discussion to be had, but we've dialed the hyperbole up to 11. Again. 

 

Genuinely don't know why we bother any more.

[Zael]

3 minutes ago, TehStu said:

There was an interesting discussion to be had, but we've dialed the hyperbole up to 11. Again. 

 

Genuinely don't know why we bother any more.

 

Can you point out the hyperbolic posts to me? 

[Stanley]

1 minute ago, TehStu said:

There was an interesting discussion to be had

I wish I could agree, looks more like someone going out of their wsy to prove CDPR are transphobic with very little other than an in-game screen grab with little context given that the game, it's story, themes, lore etc. are still largely under wraps. It's grasping IMO.

[mdn2]

1 minute ago, Talk Show Host said:

 

I do, but the fact that some transgender find it offensive doesn't mean that CD are in the wrong, especially when other transgender don't find it offensive. 

 

Let their work speak for them and judge them in the context of their product, not from a poster someone has zoomed in, without any context and taken from a material that is not even promotional in any way other than tech.

Which is fair. I just find the poster dubious with their previous on the matter. 

Just now, TehStu said:

There was an interesting discussion to be had, but we've dialed the hyperbole up to 11. Again. 

 

Genuinely don't know why we bother any more.

Where's the hyperbole? Most of the posts here have been civil. 

[Vemsie]

Austin Walker on this subject:

 

Timestamp at 3 hours and 44 minutes.

[mdn2]

Just now, Stanley said:

I wish I could agree, looks more like someone going out of their wsy to prove CDPR are transphobic with very little other than an in-game screen grab with little context given that the game, it's story, themes, lore etc. are still largely under wraps. It's grasping IMO.

You can only judge with the facts we have. CDPR do have previous when it comes to dubious transgender comments. It's understandable some people are concerned. 

[TehStu]

2 minutes ago, Zael said:

 

Can you point out the hyperbolic posts to me? 

The word "McCarthyism".

[layten]

Does the person who made those twitter posts still work there?

[Talk Show Host]

4 minutes ago, mdn2 said:

You can only judge with the facts we have. CDPR do have previous when it comes to dubious transgender comments. It's understandable some people are concerned. 

 

Which is why we don't shitty "journalism" like RPS did with their preview. 

[Opinionated Ham Scarecrow]

6 minutes ago, PC Master Race said:

Does the person who made those twitter posts still work there?

 

No, he was sacked.

 

https://kotaku.com/gogs-community-manager-was-fired-for-offensive-tweets-1830922081

[Thor]

Regarding that pic, my take is people are overreacting about about one pic seen in isolation. As for comments regarding handling of race - anyone complaining about that now who didn't complain about it when playing Witcher 3 should be shot for hypocrisy. Yeah, the Witcher games are "fantasy" but racial representation in that game is fucking atrocious. Everyone is white until you get the DLC, and even then they're "exotic people from the east" - holy fucking stereotype, Batman! I don't recall any outcry about that...

 

Back on topic, that Eurogamer piece is great, but for anyone wanting to go in knowing nothing about the plot, you should avoid it.

 

For me it's pretty clear that...

Spoiler

... they've sidestepped "getting killed" in this game. If you die, you come back thanks to Keanu Reeves and his immortality chip in your brain - and you're the only one with such a chip. I love the idea, I especially love the idea of him being a Jiminy Cricket/Tyler Durden/Dexter's Dad whom only you can see.

 

I'm still really looking forward to this game. I'm expecting the shooting to be about as serviceable as the swordplay in Witcher 3. Perhaps I'll go for a completely non-lethal playthrough.

 

[Radish]

3 minutes ago, Gizamaluke said:

 

No, he was sacked.

 

https://kotaku.com/gogs-community-manager-was-fired-for-offensive-tweets-1830922081

 

It seems strange to me that so many people here are quick to (rightly) blame CDPR for previous tweets that were in poor taste, but not a single one of them felt the need to point out that the company fired the person behind it. How many offensive tweets have happened since the person (who now works for a pro gamergate website) was fired?

[footle]

I find the “perhaps it isn’t a dick and just lighting” comments utterly bizarre. The poster *does not work* as a poster if it isn’t trans.

 

i find the “perhaps it just needs context” comments almost as bizarre. There’s already context - it’s CDPR’s precious struggles on social media with the subject, and their responses when being called on it. This is a static image, released as part of a - so far - very limited marketing campaign, where they will have looked multiple times at the image and considered it as one of many possibilities for promoting the feature. It’s not going to have been signed off by Temp Number Two in a meeting with The Newest Intern.

 

Its a crass joke, that could be made as well by giving the woman literal wings or horns while remaining entirely in cyberpunk context. So they’ve chosen to do *that* context, and with their history you’d have to say that they’re using trans as the butt of a bad joke again, and not balancing it in any other way.

 

Maybe they will in the full game, but at the moment there’s little reason to think there should be a benefit of the doubt.

 

 

[TehStu]

3 minutes ago, Radish said:

 

It seems strange to me that so many people here are quick to (rightly) blame CDPR for previous tweets that were in poor taste, but not a single one of them felt the need to point out that the company fired the person behind it. How many offensive tweets have happened since the person (who now works for a pro gamergate website) was fired?

Are you keeping track of all the people fired for making crass tweets? Hit us up with a link so we can stay similarly informed. That way, it won't be strange.

[Retroid]

I see the poster as a statement against commercialization, here's something; a sensitive and serious subject advertised and exploited to the extreme.

[Radish]

4 minutes ago, TehStu said:

Are you keeping track of all the people fired for making crass tweets? Hit us up with a link so we can stay similarly informed. That way, it won't be strange.

 

Nah, when I first heard about the offensive tweets I read the news stories related to it. It's a great way to become informed about an issue that bothered you.

[grounded_dreams]

Interesting video with Geoff Geoff Keighley interviewing Marcin Iwiński (Co-founder and Joint CEO of CD PROJEKT) at E3 today, discussing the company including Cyberpunk 2077:

 

 

[Trumpets]

It must be exhausting to be woke enough to care about trivial crap like this.

[wavey]

The artist behind the advert responds here: https://www.polygon.com/e3/2019/6/12/18662443/cyberpunk-2077-trans-advertisement-cd-projekt-red-e3-2019

 

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Redesiuk said that the world of Cyberpunk 2077 includes many people who are gender-nonconforming, some of whom enjoy showing off their bodies in public. They are a demographic group with significant purchasing power, and so, megacorporations use their likenesses to sell soft drinks. It’s supposed to be a play on the same sort of hypersexualized advertising that modern companies use to sell products today, just brought in line with the kind of future CD Projekt wants to portray.

...

This is not to say that the player should see this kind of advertising as good. Redesiuk said that it was designed to feel jarring and overly aggressive, like all the other ads in the game, but not because of the femme-presenting trans model.

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“This is all to show that [much like in our modern world], hypersexualization in advertisements is just terrible,” Redesiuk continued. “It was a conscious choice on our end to show that in this world — a world where you are a cyberpunk, a person fighting against corporations. That [advertisement] is what you’re fighting against.”

 

[TehStu]

42 minutes ago, Radish said:

 

Nah, when I first heard about the offensive tweets I read the news stories related to it. It's a great way to become informed about an issue that bothered you.

It's perfectly possible to be aware of one thing and not the other, without you needing to make conclusions. And you can reasonably assume the person was fired, it provides no insight into corporate attitudes one way or the other.

 

Edit- anyway, feels like a reasonable response, above. They (RPS?) should have reached out for comment first, but I guess they got their click through revenue from it.

[Mr Do 71]

 

[Talk Show Host]

34 minutes ago, wavey said:

The artist behind the advert responds here: https://www.polygon.com/e3/2019/6/12/18662443/cyberpunk-2077-trans-advertisement-cd-projekt-red-e3-2019

 

 

 

Which proves my point about the shitty job the RPS "journalist" did and how careful we really need to be with our reactions based on things like that. 

[robdood]

1 hour ago, Talk Show Host said:

Ι don't intend to win

Man, it isn't about 'winning'; it's just a discussion.  People get so riled up and presume they're being judged etc.  I certainly am not judging anyone or trying to 'win'.

 

[robdood]

27 minutes ago, Mr Do 71 said:

 

That is coolaf!

[Vemsie]

The RPS article didn't talk about that poster though and the writer mentions multiple times that he asked for clarification regarding themes and minorities, but didn't get any satisfying answers. The above explanation reads quite hollow for me. Even if they're honest and wanted to make a point, instead of bigotry disguised as edgelord social commentary, it's a really clunky way of doing so.

 

Anyway, whatever the final game ends up as, I doubt it will be subtle. We'll see.

[Wiper]

10 minutes ago, Talk Show Host said:

 

Which proves my point about the shitty job the RPS "journalist" did and how careful we really need to be with our reactions based on things like that. 

 

Is this the point where I need to mention that the person who mentioned the trans poster was me, non-games journalist, in this here thread, and that it never featured in the RPS article?

[Talk Show Host]

Just now, robdood said:

Man, it isn't about 'winning'; it's just a discussion.  People get so riled up and presume they're being judged etc.  I certainly am not judging anyone or trying to 'win'.

 

 

Yes, I know. I'm not the one who said so, I was just replying to Stanley who said that "I can't win the discussion". 

[JPL]

45 minutes ago, wavey said:

The artist behind the advert responds here: https://www.polygon.com/e3/2019/6/12/18662443/cyberpunk-2077-trans-advertisement-cd-projekt-red-e3-2019

 

 

Sounds like a reasonable response.

[Talk Show Host]

3 minutes ago, Wiper said:

 

Is this the point where I need to mention that the only person who mentioned the trans poster was me, non-games journalist, in this here thread, and that it never featured in the RPS article?

 

No, my point was a general one in the above post. I meant that the journalist did a shitty job because he rushed to conclusions, the same as many people here about the poster.