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6 hours ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

I always thought Disney should have done the whole film like that from the off.. it would have been a great spectacle and also been completely in keeping with Star Wars using revolutionary special effects (At that time). They may have also had a lot more good will if they had. 

 

Harrison Ford probably denied his likeness to be used

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9 hours ago, Mogster said:

I've got back into the Clone Wars recently though, using the recommended viewing order, and it does show how much better that era was in terms of world building. The universe feels so much more expansive, diverse and new. Everyone, myself included was delighted to see how TFA was drawing on the OT for its look and feel, but in retrospect it clearly took things too far.


I’ve just re-watched 4k77 and it’s amazing how much of the entirety of Star Wars lore is laid out in the first half hour, in fact most of it’s done in about two minutes by real Obi-Wan explaining stuff to Luke. Anakin, Vader, The Force, Jedi, why they don’t exist anymore, General Kenobi, the Clone Wars, and probably some stuff I’ve missed. 
 

Enough in that one scene to mine for material for the next 43 years!

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Well, I googled that and I see some guy named Mike Zeroh who seems to be on a monthly crusade for it. He calls it the Lucas Cut or JJ Cut. And it would fix the problems caused by Kennedy cutting scenes. How dare she.

 

I'm not convinced that there's 100 minutes of extra scenes that are really needed to make it what it's "supposed to be". And even less convinced they will release such an extended cut. Maybe there was a 4 hour workprint at some point before they started editing properly, but that's normal and generally doesn't make a good movie.

 

There seem to be some people these days who believe that editing a movie is a bad thing and ruins the perfect movie that was originally filmed.

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At the time I was thought it was enjoyable nonsense, as it didn't make much sense but felt like Star Wars.

 

Adding more plot to explain all the things that didn't make sense won't help, as the reason they don't make sense is that they're stupid things like Palpatine coming back to life.

I don't care if there's an hour long scene showing a starship production line and cloning factory or they say that the Sith have a permanent "Buy one get one free" offer, it's still just a really shit story.

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Rise of Skywalker is so bad it tarnishes both of the movies that came before it. I quite liked Force Awakens and absolutely loved Last Jedi, but now, knowing the trilogy ends up with this hot mess, it makes the whole thing feel pointless. 

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20 hours ago, cubik said:

At the time I was thought it was enjoyable nonsense, as it didn't make much sense but felt like Star Wars.

 

Adding more plot to explain all the things that didn't make sense won't help, as the reason they don't make sense is that they're stupid things like Palpatine coming back to life.

I don't care if there's an hour long scene showing a starship production line and cloning factory or they say that the Sith have a permanent "Buy one get one free" offer, it's still just a really shit story.

 

Add to that Space Fucking Horses as well!!!!!

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The sequels feel like a videogame franchise now with power ups like Force calling, healing and teleporting. The plot, writing and script (especially ep 9) felt like something from a game too.

Same for the locations, they seem like a case of "what have we not done yet? I know, how about a salt Planet!" (I admit, Crait was one of the most visually striking things in the new trilogy).

 

I'm not saying games can't do stories and characterisation right, but a lot don't and TROS certainly felt like one. The prospect of a four hour cut of a shite film seems like a pointless exercise and a cynical cash grab at best.

 

One other issue the sequels had was while the Star Wars directors were busy breaking things with inconsistent nonsense, the Marvel team were doing the opposite and building a bunch of characters people cared about in a massively intertwined universe, and they ended that era of movies on a massive high with a team fight with Thanos and the emotional loss of their main character.

 

I know it was a bit sad when Han, Luke or Leia died, but it wasn't exactly an "and I am Iron Man" moment.

 

It's not all bad news - Rogue One is still the fourth best SW film after the original trilogy, and The Mandalorian has been a breath of fresh air. While they had enough throwbacks and references to the originals, they didn't feel beholden to them and did something fresh with the story.

 

This does prove that there are still teams of writers and actors capable of making magic, hopefully some of the upcoming or half-announced projects that are set in the SW universe will keep the magic alive.

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I think it's right to mention the two together as they are the behemoths of the industry. It's also unfortunately easy to point out where one got something so wrong and the other got it so so right at pretty much the same time.

 

When I was a kid, Star Wars was THE sci-fi franchise, there wasn't much else in that genre and of that stature to get emotionally invested in. The MCU isn't doing anything new, it's just been doing it better of late. It may go off the rails and SW could get its act together for all we know, hopefully both go from strength to strength for a long long time.

 

It's a tough old market nowadays, so many franchises and so many ways to enjoy them. The fact that TROS (according to the internet) used Fortnite to explain a major plot point feels utterly bizarre to me but goes to show that movies on their own are just a tiny piece of the puzzle, whereas "back in the day" they were the only thing that really mattered (apart from toy sales of course!)

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9 hours ago, Doctor Shark said:

 

Maybe they should have “stepped back and absorb what George Lucas created” right at the start in 2012..... and devised some sort of epic road map of where it was all going to go - rather than just plow on, with little care, regardless.
 

Kennedy needs to go. Her decisions are some of the worst things ever to happen to the SW saga. And I include Jar Jar Binks in that statement.

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13 hours ago, Gwangi said:

Last Jedi was the absolute nadir of the concept vs narrative execution.  The slow chase through space just didn’t make sense to me.

 

But you got the fast chase from the casino to the beach to make up for that.

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The casino was an enormous set and Rian Johnson was insistent on all puppets and costumes rather than CGI. Then the budget got out of control, the techies told him they could do most of it in CGI, and the result was a bollocks casino.

 

I’m guessing that the same people were responsible for Leia flying in space. Compare that scene to Starlord/Gamora in a similar situation, one is beautiful, one is embarrassing.

 

TLJ’s still easily the best new sequel though.

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I didn't like TLJ at the cinema, but it's easily re-watchable on the small screen. The slower pace, fallible characters and compact story arc seems to work better on TV.

 

I enjoyed TROS, though agree it has faults. There are peaks and troughs to any franchise: early fans had the original trilogy ruined forever by the Ewoks, fans who grew up watching Star Wars had the prequels ruined forever by Jar Jar Binx & mardy Anakin, and the current trilogy has been ruined forever by the final film. We'll get over it, and better movies, TV shows, and comics will always be within our reach. 

 

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I have to confess that I’m slightly baffled by how much vitriol Rise of Skywalker attracts. It’s all subjective, so I’m not saying that anyone else is wrong to dislike it and I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, but having seen it three times – once with friends, once alone, and once with the kids – I thought it was great. I got something out of it each time. It’s flawed and there are a few things I didn’t like, but from my perspective it had some amazing, lush visuals and locations, and some scenes that are among my favourite in the series (i.e. the whole sequence from Rey arriving on the ruined death star to Kylo Ren having that heart-to-heart with his father).

 

I get that there things that could have been improved. Rey and Kylo Ren are well-served by the story, but Finn is sidelined - although then again, Han Solo was sidelined by Return of the Jedi, and everyone loves that. In fact, it reminded me a lot of ROTJ, in that it drops a lot of the ambiguity and complexity from the previous film, but is a pretty splendid adventure for all that.

 

Like, I get that people don’t like it, but I don’t quite understand the level of hatred it attracts. I’ve read people on here saying it’s worse than the prequels, which just boggles the mind – I’ve re-watched the prequels with the kids recently, and it’s hard to credit just how inept Attack of the Clones is on a moment-by-moment basis, both in terms of the ideas and the execution. I genuinely don’t see how you could realistically equate RoS with AoTC; the former is at worst superficial, whereas the latter is like an early PS1-era pre-rendered cutscene being recreated by porn actors.

 

So yeah, I really enjoyed RoS. I certainly preferred it to the Mandalorian, which started off quite well but never really shook the feeling of being a videogame cutscene that never actually gets to the game bit. Is it just me? 

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2 minutes ago, K said:

I have to confess that I’m slightly baffled by how much vitriol Rise of Skywalker attracts. It’s all subjective, so I’m not saying that anyone else is wrong to dislike it and I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, but having seen it three times – once with friends, once alone, and once with the kids – I thought it was great. I got something out of it each time. It’s flawed and there are a few things I didn’t like, but from my perspective it had some amazing, lush visuals and locations, and some scenes that are among my favourite in the series (i.e. the whole sequence from Rey arriving on the ruined death star to Kylo Ren having that heart-to-heart with his father).

 

I get that there things that could have been improved. Rey and Kylo Ren are well-served by the story, but Finn is sidelined - although then again, Han Solo was sidelined by Return of the Jedi, and everyone loves that. In fact, it reminded me a lot of ROTJ, in that it drops a lot of the ambiguity and complexity from the previous film, but is a pretty splendid adventure for all that.

 

Like, I get that people don’t like it, but I don’t quite understand the level of hatred it attracts. I’ve read people on here saying it’s worse than the prequels, which just boggles the mind – I’ve re-watched the prequels with the kids recently, and it’s hard to credit just how inept Attack of the Clones is on a moment-by-moment basis, both in terms of the ideas and the execution. I genuinely don’t see how you could realistically equate RoS with AoTC; the former is at worst superficial, whereas the latter is like an early PS1-era pre-rendered cutscene being recreated by porn actors.

 

So yeah, I really enjoyed RoS. I certainly preferred it to the Mandalorian, which started off quite well but never really shook the feeling of being a videogame cutscene that never actually gets to the game bit. Is it just me? 


Nope, I like it too.  It’s entertaining and has some great visuals.  I don’t think it hits the heights of TFA but it’s a good fun film.  But I like R1 & Solo so what do I know?! :lol:

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It is quite an entertaining watch, but has some major crimes - making Rey a Palpatine, sidelining Rose and that scene where they all fall through space quicksand into exactly where they need to be. I struggle to get over that bit. Also the Sisters of Mercy aka the Knights of Ren were rubbish. And Finn being force sensitive without much being made of it, the amount of rebel ships which turn up seems unlikely..."somehow, Palaptine has returned". The whole thing is just a bit of a mess.

 

But then it has the bit where Rey hands over the lightsaber to Ben with Force Item Teleportation (+9), which is brilliant. The big Rey v Ren fight is great as well. Honestly, it's got lots of great moments. I've seen it three times and i'd go again. But it's a mess! 

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Sorry but TROS is a f**king mess, that has been cobbled together by a committee of terrified Disney Execs. The performances are good and the effects are pretty, but that's about all the good things you can say about it. 

 

Everyone involved in any of the decision making - should be thoroughly ashamed.

 

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, K said:

I have to confess that I’m slightly baffled by how much vitriol Rise of Skywalker attracts. It’s all subjective, so I’m not saying that anyone else is wrong to dislike it and I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, but having seen it three times – once with friends, once alone, and once with the kids – I thought it was great. I got something out of it each time. It’s flawed and there are a few things I didn’t like, but from my perspective it had some amazing, lush visuals and locations, and some scenes that are among my favourite in the series (i.e. the whole sequence from Rey arriving on the ruined death star to Kylo Ren having that heart-to-heart with his father).

 

I get that there things that could have been improved. Rey and Kylo Ren are well-served by the story, but Finn is sidelined - although then again, Han Solo was sidelined by Return of the Jedi, and everyone loves that. In fact, it reminded me a lot of ROTJ, in that it drops a lot of the ambiguity and complexity from the previous film, but is a pretty splendid adventure for all that.

 

Like, I get that people don’t like it, but I don’t quite understand the level of hatred it attracts. I’ve read people on here saying it’s worse than the prequels, which just boggles the mind – I’ve re-watched the prequels with the kids recently, and it’s hard to credit just how inept Attack of the Clones is on a moment-by-moment basis, both in terms of the ideas and the execution. I genuinely don’t see how you could realistically equate RoS with AoTC; the former is at worst superficial, whereas the latter is like an early PS1-era pre-rendered cutscene being recreated by porn actors.

 

So yeah, I really enjoyed RoS. I certainly preferred it to the Mandalorian, which started off quite well but never really shook the feeling of being a videogame cutscene that never actually gets to the game bit. Is it just me? 

 

It's not just you. You're opinion on the film very closely matches mine. Although, I probably like TROS a little bit more and consider it to be slightly more interesting and compelling than The Force Awakens. I also feel the same way about The Mandalorian, which I've watched the whole series of twice through now. I find it to be fine, quite bland and uninteresting and far more guilty of leaning on nostalgia than even the sequel trilogy. It's still good, but not all that compelling and I found it a bit hard to get through the second time. 

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